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Re: Trae Young 

Post#21 » by One_and_Done » Sat Feb 8, 2025 1:16 am

If the Hawks trade Trae then the bottom if falling out. JJ is their best player, but Trae is the only guy they have to stir the drink right now. They at least need to trade for a Shroeder type guy if they move him.

Personally I think it'd be best for the league if the bottom did fall out, but I doubt Hawks fans agree.
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Post#22 » by Astaluego » Sat Feb 8, 2025 9:40 am

Let's say NOP is out of the Top 3 in the lottery... they choose in the 4/6 range....

NOP
In:Trae Young/T.Mann/Niang
Out:Murray/Mccollum/FRP 2025(range 4/6)

Missi/Olynyc
Zion/Niang
Murphy/Mann
Herb/Hawkins
Trae/Alvarado ..

KINGS
In:D.Murray
Out:DDR/FRP Spurs 27

Murray/Carter
Ellis/Monk
Lavine/
Murray/*LaRavia
Sabonis/Valanciunas

HAWKS
In: Mccollum/DDR/FRP NOP/FRP Spurs 27
Out:Trae Young/Niang/T.Mann

Mccolum/Bufkin
Daniels/Krejci
Risacher/DDR
Johnson
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Post#23 » by wemby » Sat Feb 8, 2025 7:58 pm

LarsV8 wrote:The primary issue is the Hawks are in such a bad position with San Antonio, I don't know if Trae is worth the cost of going and getting those picks back. Hawks cant tank without those picks. They could trade Trae for win now players and try and ride out the pick debt, but that is still a mediocre path.

I would love to trade for Trae, but I would offer a pick based package, and I don't know how that would work, unless you could flip those picks for win now pieces. I suppose you could buy up the mid players from the fringe teams (Portland, Utah, Brooklyn, Toronto), but I would hate that as an Atlanta fan. There is a nightmare situation looming if Trae asks for a trade, because you arent getting those SA picks back.

If there's a pathway to the Hawks getting their picks back, it's centered around Jalen Johnson, not Trae.(unless there's a 3rd team involved getting Trae and providing worthwhile assets to the Spurs)
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Post#24 » by jayjaysee » Sat Feb 8, 2025 8:44 pm

wemby wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:The primary issue is the Hawks are in such a bad position with San Antonio, I don't know if Trae is worth the cost of going and getting those picks back. Hawks cant tank without those picks. They could trade Trae for win now players and try and ride out the pick debt, but that is still a mediocre path.

I would love to trade for Trae, but I would offer a pick based package, and I don't know how that would work, unless you could flip those picks for win now pieces. I suppose you could buy up the mid players from the fringe teams (Portland, Utah, Brooklyn, Toronto), but I would hate that as an Atlanta fan. There is a nightmare situation looming if Trae asks for a trade, because you arent getting those SA picks back.

If there's a pathway to the Hawks getting their picks back, it's centered around Jalen Johnson, not Trae.(unless there's a 3rd team involved getting Trae and providing worthwhile assets to the Spurs)


I think a Houston fan (Phoenix picks) and a SAS fan discussing a Trae three team deal but making it sound difficult for Atlanta to get their picks back is confusing?

If Trae asks for a trade, Houston can easily offer enough value that SAS gives up the swap/first and the 2027 Phoenix pick is a lot more valuable than the 2027 Atlanta pick. (SAS would get more than just the one pick)
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Post#25 » by OrlandoDream » Sat Feb 8, 2025 8:51 pm

Orlando has obvious interest but money wise it cant work. We would prob have to include Suggs in that deal to not go into apron situations which is prob deal breaker. Also Trae might need to lower expectations for next contract after next season. He will opt out but idk how many times have the cap or the interest to give him a max.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#26 » by wemby » Sat Feb 8, 2025 9:40 pm

jayjaysee wrote:If Trae asks for a trade, Houston can easily offer enough value that SAS gives up the swap/first and the 2027 Phoenix pick is a lot more valuable than the 2027 Atlanta pick. (SAS would get more than just the one pick)

I don't think the Suns pick in 27 is 'a lot' more valuable than the Hawks pick, there are questions surrounding Trae and if he bolts everything might spiral downwards. It's true that the Rockets do have the necessary assets, but I doubt they'd be willing to put on the table some of their best assets and in that case Spurs might be better served not facilitating any deal and instead watching from a distance how things blow up in the Hawks' face.
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Post#27 » by Rockazoids » Sat Feb 8, 2025 10:17 pm

tmorgan wrote:Trae is in that group of unique, intriguing, flawed players that I’m not sure it’s possible to build a champion around. Unlike, say, Randle, Trae does have the ability to get scorching hot as a shooter and playmaker and just win big games, and he’s done it before.

In reality, though, he’s not a particularly good shooter, and obviously his physical limitations mean he’ll never be even a decent defender. How do you build a legit contender featuring a max guy whose two elite skills are drawing fouls and playmaking?

If you think about it, he’s an awful lot like tiny James Harden.

The difference is Randle hasn't, nor every will command a Max contract. He can be a 2nd/3rd option.
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Post#28 » by CP War Hawks » Sat Feb 8, 2025 11:20 pm

Trae is on board with the process by all accounts. He could've easily been disloyal and jumped ship like his contemporaries: Butler, Fox, etc. JJ out for season and lost nearly 10 games in a row during this period, so it would've been natural for him to demand out.

So yea, the Hawks have a definite plan for FA this summer, also including big moves during the draft. It's going to be a make or break point for Fields to put it all together and keep everyone happy.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#29 » by mcfly1204 » Sun Feb 9, 2025 3:23 am

CP War Hawks wrote:Trae is on board with the process by all accounts. He could've easily been disloyal and jumped ship like his contemporaries: Butler, Fox, etc. JJ out for season and lost nearly 10 games in a row during this period, so it would've been natural for him to demand out.

So yea, the Hawks have a definite plan for FA this summer, also including big moves during the draft. It's going to be a make or break point for Fields to put it all together and keep everyone happy.

I feel like Trae asking out would have been a blessing in disguise for Atlanta. Get whatever compensation you can, and move on with a rebuild.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#30 » by basketballwacko2 » Sun Feb 9, 2025 7:17 am

The Hawks are in a tough spot having traded their picks, they can't really tank. IF they are gonna trade Trae they need to get productive players back I don't know what kind of value to put on him. Or what team might want him.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#31 » by Ball4life32 » Sun Feb 9, 2025 2:39 pm

Rockazoids wrote:
tmorgan wrote:Trae is in that group of unique, intriguing, flawed players that I’m not sure it’s possible to build a champion around. Unlike, say, Randle, Trae does have the ability to get scorching hot as a shooter and playmaker and just win big games, and he’s done it before.

In reality, though, he’s not a particularly good shooter, and obviously his physical limitations mean he’ll never be even a decent defender. How do you build a legit contender featuring a max guy whose two elite skills are drawing fouls and playmaking?

If you think about it, he’s an awful lot like tiny James Harden.

The difference is Randle hasn't, nor every will command a Max contract. He can be a 2nd/3rd option.

Trae can also lead a top 10 offense. No shot Randle can.

vxmike wrote:Trae is one of those guys that you can’t win with if you give him a max 3rd contract. He’s a step above Lavine but in that group of guys you can’t max anymore in the new NBA.

Trae has led a team to ecf as a #1. Lavine literally has played in one PO series despite being older and lost in 5 games. Traes peak is far better than Lavine.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#32 » by Ball4life32 » Sun Feb 9, 2025 2:45 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:Trae is on board with the process by all accounts. He could've easily been disloyal and jumped ship like his contemporaries: Butler, Fox, etc. JJ out for season and lost nearly 10 games in a row during this period, so it would've been natural for him to demand out.

So yea, the Hawks have a definite plan for FA this summer, also including big moves during the draft. It's going to be a make or break point for Fields to put it all together and keep everyone happy.

I feel like Trae asking out would have been a blessing in disguise for Atlanta. Get whatever compensation you can, and move on with a rebuild.

It wouldn’t make sense at all, and I’m not sure why the Hawks would rebuild without their own picks. When healthy, they were above .500 with a young team and went 7-2 against the top of the East before JJ’s injury. Honestly, I couldn’t care less about Trae’s field goal percentage—it's like focusing on batting average in baseball. Trae runs the entire offense, creating 50+ points per game through his scoring and passing (only Jokic is doing that as well). His FG% will never be elite, but I’d much rather see his 3pt% improve, which it has been recently.

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