PG Hawks: One Good Quarter

[fan230]

Brook Giannis Kuzma Green Dame starting.

Portis as 6th man. Substituting for Giannis.

Sims substitute for Brook for defense.

Badly need Porter to succeed both in offense and poa defense.

Porter then plus Kuzma should provide poa defense. Especially when Dame is playing.

I think we will get a good team.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Better yet, trade Dame, and get the players we really need.

i feel fairly certain our best course of action is to trade dame for a full rebuild package if we dont ride this thing out.

if we deal dame for a "win now" package we'll probably win even less immediately.

were to the point where were boxed in

giannis can dictate his future here but a full rebuild is what should come next. anything other than that will be painful if youre setting championship goals

I would be curious to see what a Dame package would be. I feel that the trade Dame mantra is the same as the fire Bud mantra. If you told me we were getting rid of Bud to hire Doc I would have absolutely disagreed. So, I need to see what the alternative is before I would advocate trading Dame.

Why don't we fix our C and SG position before we start trading off All-Stars.

i agree if the plan is to stay the course dame and of course giannis is the last to go.

if the plan is to win 5-6 years from now with a sensible approach to a rebuild we need young players and draft picks for dame. thats what i was getting at.

we have two options. hang on for awhile...do the best we can with non championship roster(and giannis).... or cash out while dame and giannis still have immense but declining value

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I would be curious to see what a Dame package would be. I feel that the trade Dame mantra is the same as the fire Bud mantra. If you told me we were getting rid of Bud to hire Doc I would have absolutely disagreed. So, I need to see what the alternative is before I would advocate trading Dame.

Why don't we fix our C and SG position before we start trading off All-Stars.

Am absolutely convinced we could have gotten Fox for Dame. Seven years younger and a better player at this point.

fox helps you now and gives some hope for keeping giannis or even a time when hes gone. moves like that are exactly what we should be looking at

[-Jragon-]

Wonder how stotts would’ve had us playing. We should’ve brought him back when we decided to part ways with Griff

Dame time..

Dame would have 25+ shots per game if the team actually listened to him.. doubt they would have.. we're still stubborn -- even after the recent trade

Dame Time is a losing strategy. No one wins with slow paced, pounds the dribble, defenseless basketball. The Bucks won before Dame, they win now when he's off the floor, and they'll win big when they cash in his trade value on the next sucker.

MF already won before he even came here with barely any talent around him and him being their whole offense. Your takes keep getting worse.

[drdrG]

Felt like we couldn't create a good shot at the rim the entire second half. Even the ones we got were contested. Meanwhile, they got dunk after dunk after layup.

It would be nice to have one other guy who could beat their man off the dribble or stay in front of their guy on the other end.

The Hawks bring in a guy I've never heard of and he meets Lopez at the apex, swallows Bobby at the rim and stays with Kuzma for three basket saving blocks. He also hit a couple of threes and I'm looking for a single up and coming Buck.

The debts of failed player development, desperate roster construction and our aging core have come due

[ShootingtheJ]

Dame time..

Dame would have 25+ shots per game if the team actually listened to him.. doubt they would have.. we're still stubborn -- even after the recent trade

Dame Time is a losing strategy. No one wins with slow paced, pounds the dribble, defenseless basketball. The Bucks won before Dame, they win now when he's off the floor, and they'll win big when they cash in his trade value on the next sucker.

MF already won before he even came here with barely any talent around him and him being their whole offense. Your takes keep getting worse.

That's the problem with Dame fans. They think winning awards voted on by the media is winning.

The goal here is to win basketball games and championships.

[randy84]

I would be curious to see what a Dame package would be. I feel that the trade Dame mantra is the same as the fire Bud mantra. If you told me we were getting rid of Bud to hire Doc I would have absolutely disagreed. So, I need to see what the alternative is before I would advocate trading Dame.

Why don't we fix our C and SG position before we start trading off All-Stars.

Am absolutely convinced we could have gotten Fox for Dame. Seven years younger and a better player at this point.

I'm not. He wanted to go to San Antonio and Kings got a boatload of picks for him. If you could play with Giannis or Wemby which one would you choose?

[LittleRooster]

Felt like we couldn't create a good shot at the rim the entire second half. Even the ones we got were contested. Meanwhile, they got dunk after dunk after layup.

It would be nice to have one other guy who could beat their man off the dribble or stay in front of their guy on the other end.

The Hawks bring in a guy I've never heard of and he meets Lopez at the apex, swallows Bobby at the rim and stays with Kuzma for three basket saving blocks. He also hit a couple of threes and I'm looking for a single up and coming Buck.

The debts of failed player development, desperate roster construction and our aging core have come due

That’s where KPJ I think will be valuable

[-Jragon-]

Dame Time is a losing strategy. No one wins with slow paced, pounds the dribble, defenseless basketball. The Bucks won before Dame, they win now when he's off the floor, and they'll win big when they cash in his trade value on the next sucker.

MF already won before he even came here with barely any talent around him and him being their whole offense. Your takes keep getting worse.

That's the problem with Dame fans. They think winning awards voted on by the media is winning.

The goal here is to win basketball games and championships.

I mean record wise.. they won.. they were 3rd , 4th and 5th seed in a tough West conference several times.

[-Jragon-]

Felt like we couldn't create a good shot at the rim the entire second half. Even the ones we got were contested. Meanwhile, they got dunk after dunk after layup.

It would be nice to have one other guy who could beat their man off the dribble or stay in front of their guy on the other end.

The Hawks bring in a guy I've never heard of and he meets Lopez at the apex, swallows Bobby at the rim and stays with Kuzma for three basket saving blocks. He also hit a couple of threes and I'm looking for a single up and coming Buck.

The debts of failed player development, desperate roster construction and our aging core have come due

That’s where KPJ I think will be valuable

I agree.. well actually the main thing to me is keeping Kuz off ball.. Dame, Rollins, GA in spots, and KPJ is enough ball handling.. Kuz go set screens and do those nice angle cuts to the hoop

[ShootingtheJ]

MF already won before he even came here with barely any talent around him and him being their whole offense. Your takes keep getting worse.

That's the problem with Dame fans. They think winning awards voted on by the media is winning.

The goal here is to win basketball games and championships.

I mean record wise.. they won.. they were 3rd , 4th and 5th seed in a tough West conference several times.

Lol, that's winning? Everyone here is losing their mind because that's the mediocrity we're at now, ever since Dame arrived.

[randy84]

The reality is the team isnt good enough around the edges so Dame and Giannis and Jrue and Giannis before, have to carry the team most of the season. When Khris was able to play it really helps out, but he couldn't be depended on any more.

I think what hasn't been mentioned is that the team was really counting on him to be ready at the beginning of the year. Part of me thinks Khris took his time getting back because he knew this is probably his last contract. He wasn't going to jeopardize injuring himself again without a contract extension.

Yes, I understand he could opt into his player option, but that is only one year at $34 million. I think he was looking for at a minimum a 3yrs - $75 million deal and I don't think the Bucks were willing to pay that for a part time player. And I think the Bucks were scared to death with that player option because you would essentially be bringing back the same team that has lost in the first round, two, possibly three, years in a row. Team just isn't good enough to make that type of investment.

[randy84]

Felt like we couldn't create a good shot at the rim the entire second half. Even the ones we got were contested. Meanwhile, they got dunk after dunk after layup.

It would be nice to have one other guy who could beat their man off the dribble or stay in front of their guy on the other end.

The Hawks bring in a guy I've never heard of and he meets Lopez at the apex, swallows Bobby at the rim and stays with Kuzma for three basket saving blocks. He also hit a couple of threes and I'm looking for a single up and coming Buck.

The debts of failed player development, desperate roster construction and our aging core have come due

That’s where KPJ I think will be valuable

I agree with you and that is why there is a pain in my soul that I have to root for that type of person to help the team. However, my concern is that he is going to be more Boogie Cousins in the locker room than Malik Beasley.

[BigO]

Admits he only read the box-score and then has the arrogance to call out people who correctly saw that Kuzma played more than fine tonight, lol.

If Portis had Kuzma's numbers last night, you and all the BP haters would have torched him. As it is (26 pts, 15 rebounds, 6 assists) , he was criticizied in the posts, but nary a word about Kuzma.

It's called a self fulfilling narrative. Wanting and thus thinking Kuzma will fill KM's shoes is going to be a thing.

middleton had no value to any team in the league. any contending team laughed at the idea for trading for him. its understood league wide hes done and has no value to team success anymore. its why we suck. stop suggesting we should or shouldnt have traded him for anything whatsoever. even a junk for junk trade benefits us with such little depth

so we traded him for somebody with availability. filling shoes is ridiculous. we want a guy who can get up out of the wheelchair. maybe give us 14/6 with some decent d. priority just 35 minutes of mediocre starting game time

you didnt watch the game last night but i was very encouraged kuzma can be a contributor especially defensively

I'm glad you know every team's perception of KM. There's a lot of things that go into a trade, including the player's salary and length of contract.

But more importantly, no team that isn't on the cusp of winning a championship is going to want a player like Middleton, so that eliminates probably two thirds of the teams.

And those who have a chance would have to have a need for the skill set Middleton brings.

It's why I said repeatedly that Middleton is much more valuable to the Bucks than any other team. His numbers since he came back are excellent, including several clunkers.

Kuzma can jump higher, run faster and get rebounds at a slighly higher rate.

But in everything else, he is far inferior, including in BBIQ, which the Bucks sorely lack.

Middleton is a risk, but well worth it. Kuzma's bad efficiency, low BBIQ and bad assists numebers are not going to bring a championship.

I would like nothing better than to be proven a total idiot by my position (my wife thinks it's already proven).

It's obvious that the Wizards have no interest in Middleton, so they may just shut him down. It's a shame. The Bucks need him badly.

[-Jragon-]

Teams recently in the lottery are going to look like they develop players better but it's likely the prospects are better, higher picks. We're steady hyping up our late 1st and 2nd round picks and shocked that other teams top 10 picks look nice. Oneka was a 6th pick like 5 years ago... shouldn't be a shock he looks better than our long shot guess picks.

[-Jragon-]

If Portis had Kuzma's numbers last night, you and all the BP haters would have torched him. As it is (26 pts, 15 rebounds, 6 assists) , he was criticizied in the posts, but nary a word about Kuzma.

It's called a self fulfilling narrative. Wanting and thus thinking Kuzma will fill KM's shoes is going to be a thing.

middleton had no value to any team in the league. any contending team laughed at the idea for trading for him. its understood league wide hes done and has no value to team success anymore. its why we suck. stop suggesting we should or shouldnt have traded him for anything whatsoever. even a junk for junk trade benefits us with such little depth

so we traded him for somebody with availability. filling shoes is ridiculous. we want a guy who can get up out of the wheelchair. maybe give us 14/6 with some decent d. priority just 35 minutes of mediocre starting game time

you didnt watch the game last night but i was very encouraged kuzma can be a contributor especially defensively

I'm glad you know every team's perception of KM. There's a lot of things that go into a trade, including the player's salary and length of contract.

But more importantly, no team that isn't on the cusp of winning a championship is going to want a player like Middleton, so that eliminates probably two thirds of the teams.

And those who have a chance would have to have a need for the skill set Middleton brings.

It's why I said repeatedly that Middleton is much more valuable to the Bucks than any other team. His numbers since he came back are excellent, including several clunkers.

Kuzma can jump higher, run faster and get rebounds at a slighly higher rate.

But in everything else, he is far inferior, including in BBIQ, which the Bucks sorely lack.

Middleton is a risk, but well worth it. Kuzma's bad efficiency, low BBIQ and bad assists numebers are not going to bring a championship.

I would like nothing better than to be proven a total idiot by my position (my wife thinks it's already proven).

It's obvious that the Wizards have no interest in Middleton, so they may just shut him down. It's a shame. The Bucks need him badly.

We need KM slowing us down even more than the Brook/Bobby lineup like we need a hole in our heads. Come with this same energy in a few weeks when the new guys know the plays and we are beating teams by 30 every night.

[BigO]

middleton had no value to any team in the league. any contending team laughed at the idea for trading for him. its understood league wide hes done and has no value to team success anymore. its why we suck. stop suggesting we should or shouldnt have traded him for anything whatsoever. even a junk for junk trade benefits us with such little depth

so we traded him for somebody with availability. filling shoes is ridiculous. we want a guy who can get up out of the wheelchair. maybe give us 14/6 with some decent d. priority just 35 minutes of mediocre starting game time

you didnt watch the game last night but i was very encouraged kuzma can be a contributor especially defensively

I'm glad you know every team's perception of KM. There's a lot of things that go into a trade, including the player's salary and length of contract.

But more importantly, no team that isn't on the cusp of winning a championship is going to want a player like Middleton, so that eliminates probably two thirds of the teams.

And those who have a chance would have to have a need for the skill set Middleton brings.

It's why I said repeatedly that Middleton is much more valuable to the Bucks than any other team. His numbers since he came back are excellent, including several clunkers.

Kuzma can jump higher, run faster and get rebounds at a slighly higher rate.

But in everything else, he is far inferior, including in BBIQ, which the Bucks sorely lack.

Middleton is a risk, but well worth it. Kuzma's bad efficiency, low BBIQ and bad assists numebers are not going to bring a championship.

I would like nothing better than to be proven a total idiot by my position (my wife thinks it's already proven).

It's obvious that the Wizards have no interest in Middleton, so they may just shut him down. It's a shame. The Bucks need him badly.

We need KM slowing us down even more than the Brook/Bobby lineup like we need a hole in our heads. Come with this same energy in a few weeks when the new guys know the plays and we are beating teams by 30 every night.

This is a weird take:

1) The playoffs are a half court game, so your fascination with running is misplaced.

2) KM, while slow, is always pushing the ball up the court or looking to see who is up ahead. It's what makes him so valuable and the smartest Buck.

[theFireBlanket]

When Griff went full a##hole on Stotts in front of the players, it was time to cut the cord. Thanks for the reminder. What a joke.

2) KM, while slow, is always pushing the ball up the court or looking to see who is up ahead. It's what makes him so valuable and the smartest Wizard.

i don't think Khris is truly* done by any stretch. Bucks undersold the surgeries for PR. Cut the cord impatiently. Wiz can let him rehab more than MKE.

Brogdon, Smart & Khris on the floor together is pretty solid. Could embarass the Bucks.

[randy84]

Felt like we couldn't create a good shot at the rim the entire second half. Even the ones we got were contested. Meanwhile, they got dunk after dunk after layup.

It would be nice to have one other guy who could beat their man off the dribble or stay in front of their guy on the other end.

The Hawks bring in a guy I've never heard of and he meets Lopez at the apex, swallows Bobby at the rim and stays with Kuzma for three basket saving blocks. He also hit a couple of threes and I'm looking for a single up and coming Buck.

The debts of failed player development, desperate roster construction and our aging core have come due

At least Hammond had an idea of the type of team he wanted to have. Long and athletic. I couldn't tell you what type of team Horst wants.

[fan230]

Nobody knows yet if Kuzma or Khris is better for our team. My hunch is Khris is better. By better I mean better now and better in the playoffs.

If we could bring Khris back in some kind of a buyout deal by the Wizards, I think that would be good for us and also test our different hypotheses about whether Khris or Kuz is better.

Does anyone know if it is even possible to get a buyout by the Wizards followed by an acquisition by the Bucks?