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LoveMyRaps wrote:It's crazy that such a big acquisition happened, and we never stickied the thread.
DelAbbot wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:I think we're going to offer him a 2+1 that is non-guaranteed in the final 2 years with games played stipulations
why would he accept that? he's a pending FA and will try to secure as big and long a contract as possible considering his injury history
LoveMyRaps wrote:I personally think IQ-RJ-Ingram-Barnes are a great fit.
They all do their damage from different areas of the floor.
IQ is a 3pt shooter
RJ is a slasher and loves to attack the rim & draw fouls
Scottie is post-up w/ that patented turnaround jumper
Ingram is a midrange maestro
MOST IMPORTANTLY - all 4 guys are unselfish and loves to facilitate as much as they love to score.
LoveMyRaps wrote:I personally think IQ-RJ-Ingram-Barnes are a great fit.
They all do their damage from different areas of the floor.
IQ is a 3pt shooter
RJ is a slasher and loves to attack the rim & draw fouls
Scottie is post-up w/ that patented turnaround jumper
Ingram is a midrange maestro
MOST IMPORTANTLY - all 4 guys are unselfish and loves to facilitate as much as they love to score.
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:DelAbbot wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:I think we're going to offer him a 2+1 that is non-guaranteed in the final 2 years with games played stipulations
why would he accept that? he's a pending FA and will try to secure as big and long a contract as possible considering his injury history
From recent Grange reporting looks like that’s what’s about to happen. 3 year extension on a price yourself deal I presume
DelAbbot wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:DelAbbot wrote:
why would he accept that? he's a pending FA and will try to secure as big and long a contract as possible considering his injury history
From recent Grange reporting looks like that’s what’s about to happen. 3 year extension on a price yourself deal I presume
Sounds like over $45M AAV. Not a fan
ChillRelaxDude wrote:DelAbbot wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
From recent Grange reporting looks like that’s what’s about to happen. 3 year extension on a price yourself deal I presume
Sounds like over $45M AAV. Not a fan
How does it sound like that? I haven't mastered tea leaves.
NinjaBro wrote:LoveMyRaps wrote:It's crazy that such a big acquisition happened, and we never stickied the thread.
Some of the mods are team tWo. They strong-armed the other mods to allow tank talk in the game threads. I'm sure they're not happy about the acquisition.
DelAbbot wrote:ChillRelaxDude wrote:DelAbbot wrote:
Sounds like over $45M AAV. Not a fan
How does it sound like that? I haven't mastered tea leaves.
BI makes $38M today. His next contract will likely be above $40M with long term contract (4 or 5), but since we are getting him to agree to a shorter term of 3 years, the AAV will take a bump up, so likely around $45M
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:DelAbbot wrote:ChillRelaxDude wrote:
How does it sound like that? I haven't mastered tea leaves.
BI makes $38M today. His next contract will likely be above $40M with long term contract (4 or 5), but since we are getting him to agree to a shorter term of 3 years, the AAV will take a bump up, so likely around $45M
Yeah I can see around there but if Raps history has any say, it will be declining in value annually, and/or contain a whole bunch of stipulations that make it not fully guaranteed. I can see 3/130 with the last year being a player option (45 -> 43 -> 42)
Psubs wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:DelAbbot wrote:
BI makes $38M today. His next contract will likely be above $40M with long term contract (4 or 5), but since we are getting him to agree to a shorter term of 3 years, the AAV will take a bump up, so likely around $45M
Yeah I can see around there but if Raps history has any say, it will be declining in value annually, and/or contain a whole bunch of stipulations that make it not fully guaranteed. I can see 3/130 with the last year being a player option (45 -> 43 -> 42)
With a draft pick in the top 10 and wanting to keep Boucher for around the MLE, it would more likely be 42,43,45, with the luxury tax going up around $10 million each of the next 2 years.
DreamTeam09 wrote:Psubs wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
Yeah I can see around there but if Raps history has any say, it will be declining in value annually, and/or contain a whole bunch of stipulations that make it not fully guaranteed. I can see 3/130 with the last year being a player option (45 -> 43 -> 42)
With a draft pick in the top 10 and wanting to keep Boucher for around the MLE, it would more likely be 42,43,45, with the luxury tax going up around $10 million each of the next 2 years.
Boucher will not be back, definitely not with the MLE
We have 11 guaranteed deals locked in next year if you include Ingram+2025 1st. We are only signing minimums and maybe our 2nd
ArthurVandelay wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:Psubs wrote:
With a draft pick in the top 10 and wanting to keep Boucher for around the MLE, it would more likely be 42,43,45, with the luxury tax going up around $10 million each of the next 2 years.
Boucher will not be back, definitely not with the MLE
We have 11 guaranteed deals locked in next year if you include Ingram+2025 1st. We are only signing minimums and maybe our 2nd
Actually 12
They’ll sign their 2nd round pick (13)
Sign another minimum guy out of training camp (14)
And keep the final spot open for trade deadline flexibility
Chomche will be one 2-way and likely gets converted next year like Battle this year.
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The Duke wrote:original fan wrote:The Duke wrote:
There is a ton of downside to this deal in the form of BI asking for ~$50M+ since BI camp has all the leverage (and we balk, goes south and accepts less). Or we give in and give him the big money.
I would have done the deal for a 2nd only, so I could walk away ‘easily’ from BI if the talks were not in line. NOP wanted to move him, and we blinked a bit at the end.
They must have had talks with BI camp about salary commitment before the trade took place and feel comfortable about it.
One of IQ or RJ will still need to go depending on who we pick in the draft soon. As for now, sit BI and others out the rest of the year to get into top 5 in the draft. Prolly make a small trade with NY to round the roster for example Boucher plus PDX 2ND for Robinson and a FRP.
Say it louder.
“They musta had talks with BI camp right?!?!?”
Think BI/agent is going to give away all their leverage to a team in the great white north after a 2min conversation?
It’s more likely that BI/agent thinking “well $55M is back on the table now, I mean they already in for a first too”
Johnny Bball wrote:hyper316 wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:This is pretty much a no lose trade. Or ...there's little they can lose.
They get Brown and Olynyk off the roster now, and get back to playing rookies and losing.
Ingram misses the bulk of the games this season and they tank.
No other team competing wanted Ingram because he's hurt. They give up a late first in two years for Brandon Ingram, who will be at best the 3rd option on this team by 2026. They could park him in the corner to just shoot threes and he has more value than what they gave up.
The guy is oft-injured. For that price, do they care the next 2-3 years, when they just play rookies, next man up? Or if he's around a short playoff run and misses 20 games....does that really matter that much? That's' why he's so **** cheap. Because he's injured right now and of no use to competing teams. Raptors aren't using that cap space on free agents so this is just punting the tradability of Brown down the road.
Even if they don't sign him, they literally could get more than they just gave up by signing and trading him away in the summer, although that's unlikely.
And what do they give up for not trading Brown and Olynyk elsewhere? Taking on worse players, that might actually play now and take minutes away, and some 2nd round picks down the road? Yeah... this is a pretty difficult reach for anyone to say they ever lose this trade badly, beyond some fluke career ending injury. Which I'm sure some of you might quietly hope for.
Good take, Brown and Kelly had no value, Indy pick not a great piece, a good buy-low on BI.
I'm just afraid what Raptors will re-sign BI for. Would BI be a plus-value on a long-term deal or a 1+1?
They likely do re-sign him and he probably gets 40-45 a year. What I would hope, is that with his injury history they work in two option years and partial guarantees for 4th and 5th year so that contract might have leverage coming up in three years and be able to be used simply to facilitate.
We weren't using that cap space otherwise and had no mechanism to use it. They could use it on 5th-8th bench type players for the MLE. It may hamper next years use of the non-taxpayer MLE is the only problem. But I think Ingram is better than using 2 MLE's.
original fan wrote:The Duke wrote:original fan wrote:They must have had talks with BI camp about salary commitment before the trade took place and feel comfortable about it.
One of IQ or RJ will still need to go depending on who we pick in the draft soon. As for now, sit BI and others out the rest of the year to get into top 5 in the draft. Prolly make a small trade with NY to round the roster for example Boucher plus PDX 2ND for Robinson and a FRP.
Say it louder.
“They musta had talks with BI camp right?!?!?”
Think BI/agent is going to give away all their leverage to a team in the great white north after a 2min conversation?
It’s more likely that BI/agent thinking “well $55M is back on the table now, I mean they already in for a first too”
It does look a few days after the trade that our reps did indeed talk in those whole "2 minutes" before the trade with his camp, right?
or do you still think we took a shot in the dark giving up a frp plus before we traded.