Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Sign Pete Nance to 2-way

[ShootingtheJ]

This just illustrates how important it is to tp draft well.

Maybe im wrong, but we could very well be cooked

We are not trading Lillard unless a superstar is the return.
We have already cleared house for a potential trade for our 3rd best player.

Lillard could be traded for a shortlist of players like

Kevin Durant
Steph
Kyrie
Trae
Lamelo

Even so it is a tough decision cause the other team has to want a win now superstar like Dame and not blowing it up.

i just dont really know who wants Dame all that bad. i'm not trying to discount how good he is offensively but at that stage of his career the fit would need to be perfect and level of urgency somewhere approaching desperate.

If Monk keeps struggling as the PG in Sacramento, that's the place. Kings acquired Valanciunas at the deadline, making it easier for them to deal Sabonis for Dame.

The other place to send Dame to, if they stay hot, is back to Portland, and we get a number of young, improving players. They're overloaded with forwards and centers.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Hope Doc plays KPJ next to dame a lot and let him create for him, dame sucks at handling defensive pressure. Dyson clamped him

Dyson might be the best perimeter defender in the world. I feel like sometimes people forget that the other team also has NBA players that get paid a lot of money to be elite at their profession.

you are not wrong about Dyson, but it isn't a one-off with dame either.

[slos]

Looking into next offseason there is a high possibility Bucks get access again to the non tax-MLE and have a 4/60 to spend in free agency. Assuming Bobby/Pat/KPJ opt in their deals Milwaukee will be at 163,8 mil with 10 contracts. Looking at FAs I like the idea pairing Dame with NAW. He could become our Dyson Daniels with better shooting. Maybe it's an overpay, but I think there is a big role for him in Milwaukee and could become a bargain deal.

1. Giannis..........$54,126,450
2. Lillard...........$54,126,450
3. Kuzma...........$21,477,272
4. NAW..............$14,104,000 (MLE)
5. Portis............$13,445,754 (opt in)
6. Connaughton...$9,423,869 (opt in)
7. Trent Jr..........$5,134,000 (BAE)
8. Porter Jr.........$2,546,675 (opt in)
9. Green............$2,301,587
10. Lopez...........$2,221,677 (min)
11. Jackson Jr......$2,221,677
12. Livingston......$2,221,677
13. Smith............$1,955,377
14. Rollins...........$1,955,377
15. #43..............$1,200,000 (apx)
- total...............$188,461,026
- tax.................$187,900,000 (apx)

Some notes here..

- I feel comfortable about keeping Bobby at a reasonable price. Can't see any team willing to spend it's cap space for him. Can see a lot willing to use their full MLE for Portis, but Bucks can easily match such offers. My guess is he just opts in and extends for a couple of seasons with a promise that he starts.

- I have Pat and KPJ a lock to opt in. At least Pat's expiring salary could become useful at some point. Also added Rollins since I believe he will soon get that multi year minimum contract.

- Do we lose Trent if all we can offer is a 2/11 with the Horst special PO? I think it's enough with a promise that Bucks will take care of him as they did with Bobby and Brook once they get his Bird rights.

- Will Brook not be a min player at 37?

- Can we pick up NAW for less? Money is tight.

Lillard......KPJ........Rollins
NAW........Green......#43
Kuzma.....Trent.......Connaughton
Giannis....Jackson....Livingston
Portis......Lopez......Smith

[stillgotgame]

So, looking towards the offseason. What could we put together around Giannis to give him 2 more years of title contention with us?

What can we get for Dame and Pat to add to Giannis, Kuzma, Ajax, and Green? Everyone else is gone.

C - ?/?
PF - Giannis/?
SF - Kuzma/?
SG - Green/Ajax
PG - ?/Rollins

Obviously important to team success, but it would be extremely nice to have Dame absolutely light it for a couple series. Get that trade value bank from out of the tank.

Yeah, that 61.7 TS on high volume is awful.

Just amazing to me how this board perceives Dame.

[MickeyDavis]

Giannis is missing his 3rd straight game tomorrow. I know the all-star game, or "tournament" as I guess it is this year, is a joke but I'll be pissed if he plays

[ShootingtheJ]

So, looking towards the offseason. What could we put together around Giannis to give him 2 more years of title contention with us?

What can we get for Dame and Pat to add to Giannis, Kuzma, Ajax, and Green? Everyone else is gone.

C - ?/?
PF - Giannis/?
SF - Kuzma/?
SG - Green/Ajax
PG - ?/Rollins

Obviously important to team success, but it would be extremely nice to have Dame absolutely light it for a couple series. Get that trade value bank from out of the tank.

Yeah, that 61.7 TS on high volume is awful.

Just amazing to me how this board perceives Dame.

We're literally better when he sits. None of our other core guys can say that.

[ShootingtheJ]

Sidy Cissoko signs a 2 way with Portland. That sucks. They have all the forwards we need.

[ReasonablySober]

Obviously important to team success, but it would be extremely nice to have Dame absolutely light it for a couple series. Get that trade value bank from out of the tank.

Yeah, that 61.7 TS on high volume is awful.

Just amazing to me how this board perceives Dame.

We're literally better when he sits. None of our other core guys can say that.

Not true.

[higharc]

Looking into next offseason there is a high possibility Bucks get access again to the non tax-MLE and have a 4/60 to spend in free agency. Assuming Bobby/Pat/KPJ opt in their deals Milwaukee will be at 163,8 mil with 10 contracts. Looking at FAs I like the idea pairing Dame with NAW. He could become our Dyson Daniels with better shooting. Maybe it's an overpay, but I think there is a big role for him in Milwaukee and could become a bargain deal.

1. Giannis..........$54,126,450
2. Lillard...........$54,126,450
3. Kuzma...........$21,477,272
4. NAW..............$14,104,000 (MLE)
5. Portis............$13,445,754 (opt in)
6. Connaughton...$9,423,869 (opt in)
7. Trent Jr..........$5,134,000 (BAE)
8. Porter Jr.........$2,546,675 (opt in)
9. Green............$2,301,587
10. Lopez...........$2,221,677 (min)
11. Jackson Jr......$2,221,677
12. Livingston......$2,221,677
13. Smith............$1,955,377
14. Rollins...........$1,955,377
15. #43..............$1,200,000 (apx)
- total...............$188,461,026
- tax.................$187,900,000 (apx)

Some notes here..

- I feel comfortable about keeping Bobby at a reasonable price. Can't see any team willing to spend it's cap space for him. Can see a lot willing to use their full MLE for Portis, but Bucks can easily match such offers. My guess is he just opts in and extends for a couple of seasons with a promise that he starts.

- I have Pat and KPJ a lock to opt in. At least Pat's expiring salary could become useful at some point. Also added Rollins since I believe he will soon get that multi year minimum contract.

- Do we lose Trent if all we can offer is a 2/11 with the Horst special PO? I think it's enough with a promise that Bucks will take care of him as they did with Bobby and Brook once they get his Bird rights.

- Will Brook not be a min player at 37?

- Can we pick up NAW for less? Money is tight.

Lillard......KPJ........Rollins
NAW........Green......#43
Kuzma.....Trent.......Connaughton
Giannis....Jackson....Livingston
Portis......Lopez......Smith

Pat (expiring) + Livingston (young prospect) + any trade exception amount we have from the last trades could be turned into a useful player

[ShootingtheJ]

Yeah, that 61.7 TS on high volume is awful.

Just amazing to me how this board perceives Dame.

We're literally better when he sits. None of our other core guys can say that.

Not true.

Equalize the on/off sample size to per 100 possessions, and we're better with him off.

[ShootingtheJ]

Looking into next offseason there is a high possibility Bucks get access again to the non tax-MLE and have a 4/60 to spend in free agency. Assuming Bobby/Pat/KPJ opt in their deals Milwaukee will be at 163,8 mil with 10 contracts. Looking at FAs I like the idea pairing Dame with NAW. He could become our Dyson Daniels with better shooting. Maybe it's an overpay, but I think there is a big role for him in Milwaukee and could become a bargain deal.

1. Giannis..........$54,126,450
2. Lillard...........$54,126,450
3. Kuzma...........$21,477,272
4. NAW..............$14,104,000 (MLE)
5. Portis............$13,445,754 (opt in)
6. Connaughton...$9,423,869 (opt in)
7. Trent Jr..........$5,134,000 (BAE)
8. Porter Jr.........$2,546,675 (opt in)
9. Green............$2,301,587
10. Lopez...........$2,221,677 (min)
11. Jackson Jr......$2,221,677
12. Livingston......$2,221,677
13. Smith............$1,955,377
14. Rollins...........$1,955,377
15. #43..............$1,200,000 (apx)
- total...............$188,461,026
- tax.................$187,900,000 (apx)

Some notes here..

- I feel comfortable about keeping Bobby at a reasonable price. Can't see any team willing to spend it's cap space for him. Can see a lot willing to use their full MLE for Portis, but Bucks can easily match such offers. My guess is he just opts in and extends for a couple of seasons with a promise that he starts.

- I have Pat and KPJ a lock to opt in. At least Pat's expiring salary could become useful at some point. Also added Rollins since I believe he will soon get that multi year minimum contract.

- Do we lose Trent if all we can offer is a 2/11 with the Horst special PO? I think it's enough with a promise that Bucks will take care of him as they did with Bobby and Brook once they get his Bird rights.

- Will Brook not be a min player at 37?

- Can we pick up NAW for less? Money is tight.

Lillard......KPJ........Rollins
NAW........Green......#43
Kuzma.....Trent.......Connaughton
Giannis....Jackson....Livingston
Portis......Lopez......Smith

Pat (expiring) + Livingston (young prospect) + any trade exception amount we have from the last trades could be turned into a useful player

Unfortunately you can't add a trade exception to another player. Pat C does become a useful trade slot though.

[ReasonablySober]

We're literally better when he sits. None of our other core guys can say that.

Not true.

Equalize the on/off sample size to per 100 possessions, and we're better with him off.

I adjusted for pace. Still positive.

More importantly, Giannis and Lillard are +4.2 when they're on the court. It's the highest of any of our top ten two man lineups. When lineups tighten up and guys are playing 40 minutes a night in the playoffs, how well those two play together is all that matters.

[ShootingtheJ]

Not true.

Equalize the on/off sample size to per 100 possessions, and we're better with him off.

I adjusted for pace. Still positive.

More importantly, Giannis and Lillard are +4.2 when they're on the court. It's the highest of any of our top ten two man lineups. When lineups tighten up and guys are playing 40 minutes a night in the playoffs, how well those two play together is all that matters.

Pace had nothing to do with it. We have a 117.2 offensive rating 116.7 defensive rating with him on, and a 110 offensive rating and 108.3 defensive rating with him off.

[ReasonablySober]

Equalize the on/off sample size to per 100 possessions, and we're better with him off.

I adjusted for pace. Still positive.

More importantly, Giannis and Lillard are +4.2 when they're on the court. It's the highest of any of our top ten two man lineups. When lineups tighten up and guys are playing 40 minutes a night in the playoffs, how well those two play together is all that matters.

Pace had nothing to do with it

I'm using NBA.com's data. Lillard's a positive. If you've got something else, feel free to link to it.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'll give Horst credit for playing cash to make Baldwins contact go away. This is what he blew in the Jae Crowder deal, when Horst spent 3- 2nds to make 3 small contracts go away.

[JayMKE]

We don't even call anyone ... They call us for Dame.
We got under 2nd appron for a reason.
We can get a player like Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson in summer by aggregating salaries and offering a pick.
Will see.... Discussing Dame trades after Khris is gone is crazy, not necessary talks imo.

I would rather discuss firing both Doc and Horst in summer rather than trading Dame.

Even that hypothetical team isn’t winning anything but kinda agree if only because I don’t want Doc or Horst to botch the return we’d get for Dame.

Team needs to be totally reorientated towards defense

[blazza18]

Brook can still be useful but his minutes definitely need to fall down into that 20-25 min range depending on the matchup. If the other teams throws out a couple of really athletic, rebounding type big men we struggle.

No excuse now with more depth and options at 4/5.

I don't know what our rim numbers are like with him on/off but I feel like he's the only guy who even cares in the slightest about protecting the paint and that's why Doc still relies on him so much. Maybe Sims being there now will sway Doc to sit Brook more?

[BigO]

Brook can still be useful but his minutes definitely need to fall down into that 20-25 min range depending on the matchup. If the other teams throws out a couple of really athletic, rebounding type big men we struggle.

No excuse now with more depth and options at 4/5.

I don't know what our rim numbers are like with him on/off but I feel like he's the only guy who even cares in the slightest about protecting the paint and that's why Doc still relies on him so much. Maybe Sims being there now will sway Doc to sit Brook more?

The reason Brook is so important is that the Bucks are bad at guarding lane penetration.

If the Bucks had good perimeter defenders, the need for Brook would diminish greatly. In the meantime, he can't buy a rebound and with his great height and weight, on offense he's the furthest Buck away from the basket. Beyond logic.

[randy84]

Equalize the on/off sample size to per 100 possessions, and we're better with him off.

I adjusted for pace. Still positive.

More importantly, Giannis and Lillard are +4.2 when they're on the court. It's the highest of any of our top ten two man lineups. When lineups tighten up and guys are playing 40 minutes a night in the playoffs, how well those two play together is all that matters.

Pace had nothing to do with it. We have a 117.2 offensive rating 116.7 defensive rating with him on, and a 110 offensive rating and 108.3 defensive rating with him off.

Dame has the second highest win share total behind Giannis. No one cares about on/off rating.

[randy84]

Brook can still be useful but his minutes definitely need to fall down into that 20-25 min range depending on the matchup. If the other teams throws out a couple of really athletic, rebounding type big men we struggle.

No excuse now with more depth and options at 4/5.

I don't know what our rim numbers are like with him on/off but I feel like he's the only guy who even cares in the slightest about protecting the paint and that's why Doc still relies on him so much. Maybe Sims being there now will sway Doc to sit Brook more?

The reason Brook is so important is that the Bucks are bad at guarding lane penetration.

If the Bucks had good perimeter defenders, the need for Brook would diminish greatly. In the meantime, he can't buy a rebound and with his great height and weight, on offense he's the furthest Buck away from the basket. Beyond logic.

With today's screen game, most players can get a screen and get into the lane.