Return to Sender: The Mark Williams Thread

[MasterIchiro]

I honestly think he passed a physical but the Lakers brass split on his cost after the GM caved to deadline pressure. Their front office probably has two factions that went at one another. The owners decided to order team doctors to find just cause for longterm medical concern. But if our doctors truly saw anything that jeopardized his health, he wouldn't be setting foot on the court. He wouldn't be playing 30+ minutes multiple times.

That's not someone who fails a physical.

Lakers using Shams and ESPN to run cover for their desperation at the deadline.

Now we all know the Hornets definitely won that deal. And given time to deliberate the Lakers discovered they lost it big time.

He scored 38 points. That's fine.

Knecht is a one-trick pony which is a step up from Peterson's top choice in the draft who's a zero trick pony.

Good job hitting a powerhouse where it hurts though and forcing retreat.

Mark is fine.

[SWedd523]

Jeff Peterson is either devious or totally incompetent

I thought you moved on to the Spurs?

[Diop]

[MasterIchiro]

Why did Peterson hate Clingan?

[Braggins]

The terms of the trade on the Lakers end were an explicit bet that Mark would be still be a franchise center six years from now. I'm not saying it isn't bad that the Lakers weren't willing to make that bet, because obviously Hornets fans were hoping he would be their franchise center for the next decade before the trade. Its a serious deal, but at the same time if they can still get five years of a franchise center out of Mark that isn't the end of the world. The front office better start making some moves to speed the timeline up.

5 years of mark? what?
we aren't resigning him. no way. he's done.
mark wont want to resign either
he wont play again for us this year
there's no world where mark is on a 2nd contract with us now

Do you think he is unable to play, or that he just won't continue to play for the Hornets because of how this all went down? If its the second thing then yeah, I think there is a good chance they will shut him down and trade him this offseason.

[fatlever]

I know everyone loves a conspiracy theory especially involving the Lakers. But I can't imagine there's any world where they wanted this to happen. They wanted Mark and needed Mark and he's a fantastic partner for Luka. Not to mention they just their relationship with their first round rookie

We all know what Mark looked like when he was healthy in his 1st and 2nd year before the back and foot injuries. The version we saw of him the past month looked nothing like that player. He looked like he had lead injected into his feet. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he failed a physical. I was thinking for two days that I'd be shocked if he actually passed it. Which you put any trust in our medical staff even if they're new.

[fatlever]

The terms of the trade on the Lakers end were an explicit bet that Mark would be still be a franchise center six years from now. I'm not saying it isn't bad that the Lakers weren't willing to make that bet, because obviously Hornets fans were hoping he would be their franchise center for the next decade before the trade. Its a serious deal, but at the same time if they can still get five years of a franchise center out of Mark that isn't the end of the world. The front office better start making some moves to speed the timeline up.

5 years of mark? what?
we aren't resigning him. no way. he's done.
mark wont want to resign either
he wont play again for us this year
there's no world where mark is on a 2nd contract with us now

Do you think he is unable to play, or that he just won't continue to play for the Hornets because of how this all went down? If its the second thing then yeah, I think there is a good chance they will shut him down and trade him this offseason.

I think it's pretty clear that if they found multiple injuries with his foot that were a concern then he probably shouldn't have been playing for the past few weeks. We don't know if they were never healed correctly the first time or if he re injured him recently. But he has not been moving well since he came back. So there's no reason to play him now just to try to spite the Lakers and prove that he was actually healthy. Shut him down let him get healthy and have a summer to finally work on adding some strength or something. But at some point they have to make a decision on continuing to pick up his contracts. And if they were worried enough about his health to try to ship him off then I can't imagine a world where they're going to commit big money to him on a long term deal. At best he makes it to restricted free agency and maybe gets a prove it deal like we gave to miles. And if your mark why are you going to want to stick around with a franchise that tried to trade you.? I won't say it's impossible that he gets signed to a long term second deal with us but I find it extremely unlikely at this point that that happens. And I finally extremely unlikely that he doesn't get shut down for the rest of the year

I've been wrong a million times before so we'll see.

[Diop]

Why did Peterson hate Clingan?

who says he hated him? just because he chose not to draft him, doesnt mean he hated him

[Diop]

I know everyone loves a conspiracy theory especially involving the Lakers. But I can't imagine there's any world where they wanted this to happen. They wanted Mark and needed Mark and he's a fantastic partner for Luka. Not to mention they just their relationship with their first round rookie

We all know what Mark looked like when he was healthy in his 1st and 2nd year before the back and foot injuries. The version we saw of him the past month looked nothing like that player. He looked like he had lead injected into his feet. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he failed a physical. I was thinking for two days that I'd be shocked if he actually passed it. Which you put any trust in our medical staff even if they're new.

they might have realised there is plenty of buyout candidates to fill the void of being big and grabbing rebounds.

[fatlever]

And the Hornets and Peterson are going to have to come out with some statements as to why they were playing Mark if he did in fact have problems in his feet. And why they tried to trade him to the Lakers if they knew that to be the fact. So either our medical staff is incompetent and did not properly rehab mark Or prematurely gave the green light for him to return to full core activity. Or our front office is shady and knew he was damaged goods and tried to sneak him past the Lakers. It's a bad look all the way around. Nothing positive that can be taken from this even for those that thought this was a horrible trait to begin with.

[MasterIchiro]

He definitely looked better defensively rookie year and second year.

But you don't score 38 points and play 30+ minutes multiple times if you're ruined physically.

This is the Lakers deliberating about the longterm cost and realizing they wasted a pick on a player who doesn't move the needle this season for their playoffs.

This summer Lakers will bundle their 2 available 1sts for someone who does help LeBron short-term.

This is the LeBron camp poo pooing any longterm moves that don't help their client.

[fatlever]

I know everyone loves a conspiracy theory especially involving the Lakers. But I can't imagine there's any world where they wanted this to happen. They wanted Mark and needed Mark and he's a fantastic partner for Luka. Not to mention they just their relationship with their first round rookie

We all know what Mark looked like when he was healthy in his 1st and 2nd year before the back and foot injuries. The version we saw of him the past month looked nothing like that player. He looked like he had lead injected into his feet. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he failed a physical. I was thinking for two days that I'd be shocked if he actually passed it. Which you put any trust in our medical staff even if they're new.

they might have realised there is plenty of buyout candidates to fill the void of being big and grabbing rebounds.

The Lakers get first dibs on almost all buyout candidates anyway. So I don't think they were worried about missing out on buyout candidates. I don't think it's a good look for the Lakers either. So I'm not going to buy into some crazy conspiracy theory that they got cold feet and tried to ruin Mark Williams career by saying that he was injured when he wasn't.

[Diop]

I know everyone loves a conspiracy theory especially involving the Lakers. But I can't imagine there's any world where they wanted this to happen. They wanted Mark and needed Mark and he's a fantastic partner for Luka. Not to mention they just their relationship with their first round rookie

We all know what Mark looked like when he was healthy in his 1st and 2nd year before the back and foot injuries. The version we saw of him the past month looked nothing like that player. He looked like he had lead injected into his feet. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he failed a physical. I was thinking for two days that I'd be shocked if he actually passed it. Which you put any trust in our medical staff even if they're new.

they might have realised there is plenty of buyout candidates to fill the void of being big and grabbing rebounds.

The Lakers get first dibs on almost all buyout candidates anyway. So I don't think they were worried about missing out on buyout candidates. I don't think it's a good look for the Lakers either. So I'm not going to buy into some crazy conspiracy theory that they got cold feet and tried to ruin Mark Williams career by saying that he was injured when he wasn't.

only time will tell

[fatlever]

He definitely looked better defensively rookie year and second year.

But you don't score 38 points and play 30+ minutes multiple times if you're ruined physically.

This is the Lakers deliberating about the longterm cost and realizing they wasted a pick on a player who doesn't move the needle this season for their playoffs.

This summer Lakers will bundle their 2 available 1sts for someone who does help LeBron short-term.

This is the LeBron camp poo pooing any longterm moves that don't help their client.

You're making up theories and trying to pass them off as some kind of fact

The foot injuries were impacting mark on the defensive end. Offensively he's got great hands he can score thirty eight points which almost all of which came in garbage time by the way

[MasterIchiro]

Fats for Christ **** sake.

Lakers are the most dishonest organization in the sport. That Luka deal wasn't shady to you?

Are we talking about the same trade deadline even?

You're so quick to let them off the hook.

I still believe in Mark's redemption.

While you're determined to **** on the Hornets, the rest of us shouldn't rush to defend the Lakers here just based of Fan Duel Shams.

[fatlever]

Read on Twitter

statement from the hornets

[MasterIchiro]

He definitely looked better defensively rookie year and second year.

But you don't score 38 points and play 30+ minutes multiple times if you're ruined physically.

This is the Lakers deliberating about the longterm cost and realizing they wasted a pick on a player who doesn't move the needle this season for their playoffs.

This summer Lakers will bundle their 2 available 1sts for someone who does help LeBron short-term.

This is the LeBron camp poo pooing any longterm moves that don't help their client.

You're making up theories and trying to pass them off as some kind of fact

The foot injuries were impacting mark on the defensive end. Offensively he's got great hands he can score thirty eight points which almost all of which came in garbage time by the way

So you're admitting he's functional physically for offense.

[Braggins]

5 years of mark? what?
we aren't resigning him. no way. he's done.
mark wont want to resign either
he wont play again for us this year
there's no world where mark is on a 2nd contract with us now

Do you think he is unable to play, or that he just won't continue to play for the Hornets because of how this all went down? If its the second thing then yeah, I think there is a good chance they will shut him down and trade him this offseason.

I think it's pretty clear that if they found multiple injuries with his foot that were a concern then he probably shouldn't have been playing for the past few weeks. We don't know if they were never healed correctly the first time or if he re injured him recently. But he has not been moving well since he came back. So there's no reason to play him now just to try to spite the Lakers and prove that he was actually healthy. Shut him down let him get healthy and have a summer to finally work on adding some strength or something. But at some point they have to make a decision on continuing to pick up his contracts. And if they were worried enough about his health to try to ship him off then I can't imagine a world where they're going to commit big money to him on a long term deal. At best he makes it to restricted free agency and maybe gets a prove it deal like we gave to miles. And if your mark why are you going to want to stick around with a franchise that tried to trade you.? I won't say it's impossible that he gets signed to a long term second deal with us but I find it extremely unlikely at this point that that happens. And I finally extremely unlikely that he doesn't get shut down for the rest of the year

I've been wrong a million times before so we'll see.

I don't think hes looked like someone who isn't physically able to play recently. Hes literally had 30 point games in the last few weeks and games with nearly 20 rebounds.

The Lakers were trading an unprotected 2031 1st for him, so they had to be confident he was going to be their franchise center six years from now if they were going to go through with the trade. I think their decision at the very least means they werent willing to bet on his health 5+ years from now, but not necessarily that he is in such bad condition that he shouldn't be currently playing.

I don't think hes ever looked quite as spry as he did before the injuries, but I don't think hes looked that bad, and I thought he looked more lazy than anything recently. I didn't think the laziness looked that bad until after both LaMelo and Miller went down and we were trotting out GLeague teams with him, so idk. I'm not convinced hes necessarily just toast and his career is basically over. I'm definitely not confident he will have a very long career though.

I would sit him out for a bit to focus on conditioning and avoid injury either way, wouldnt even be mad at the entire season. I also think its possible his relationship with the team is toast and they'll try to trade him.

[fatlever]

Fats for Christ **** sake.

Lakers are the most dishonest organization in the sport. That Luka deal wasn't shady to you?

Are we talking about the same trade deadline even?

You're so quick to let them off the hook.

I still believe in Mark's redemption.

While you're determined to **** on the Hornets, the rest of us shouldn't rush to defend the Lakers here just based of Fan Duel Shams.

I 100 percent agree that the Lakers are shady. I'm not sure I agree with the conspiracy theory that Adam Silver somehow convinced the Dallas owners to tank the Dallas fan base by trading their franchise player to their rivals just so the owners could move the team to Vegas. Now, I don't doubt that the owners probably would like to have the team in Vegas. But I think the situation there was just a gm that had some personal beef with Luka As well as owners that didn't want to go into the luxury tax to pay him his massive deal coming up. I think it's about owners being cheap and not about the Lakers being dishonest in this particular situation.

It's not like I trust the league trust me. And the David Stern era where they rigged Western Conference Finals year after year to make sure the teams like the Lakers got in rather than Portland or Sacramento.

[MasterIchiro]

Read on Twitter

statement from the hornets

Damn right the Lakers aggressively pursued him and damn right we're happy to get him back even if this a reconditioning year for him.

**** their playoff run and their 1 year window. They're terrible defensively and will be shredded in the West

Then LeBron can opt out and hug Kenny Atkinson's nuts in Cleveland.