PG: why are you still watching the Celtics pound the Knicks at MSG?

[Spree2Houston]

Talk to me after Mitch is back and running with the Knick engine. He makes everything easier for all players and harder for the opponents to make threes; our biggest weakness.

They made 19 threes against us the last time Mitch was starting vs them. He had a 129.8 DRTG against them in 4 games last season.


You have to be able to switch against them, everything else is pointless and leads to a loss. If you play in a drop, you lose.

Last year when Mitch was on the court for us, teams took 36.1 3s per100, shooting 40.2%

When he was off, they took 35.4 3s per100, shooting 35.4%.

Part of that reason is Mitch would eat up so many offensive rebounds to give 2nd and 3rd chances on 3s. The current Knick team is mediocre with offensive rebounding. While the spacing would become a bit worse, the 2nd and 3rd opportunities presented to Brunson, KAT, OG, and Mikal would even out any offensive dropoff we would have with Mitch in the lineup.

[3toheadmelo]

Gave up 5 picks for this guy to lock up stars and this is what he does

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[DOT]

They made 19 threes against us the last time Mitch was starting vs them. He had a 129.8 DRTG against them in 4 games last season.


You have to be able to switch against them, everything else is pointless and leads to a loss. If you play in a drop, you lose.

Last year when Mitch was on the court for us, teams took 36.1 3s per100, shooting 40.2%

When he was off, they took 35.4 3s per100, shooting 35.4%.

Part of that reason is Mitch would eat up so many offensive rebounds to give 2nd and 3rd chances on 3s. The current Knick team is mediocre with offensive rebounding. While the spacing would become a bit worse, the 2nd and 3rd opportunities presented to Brunson, KAT, OG, and Mikal would even out any offensive dropoff we would have with Mitch in the lineup.

Those are opponent 3pt numbers, not our 3pt numbers

Teams shot 40.2% from 3 against us with Mitch on the floor last year.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Hold up, we ain't even talking about the game. we talking about LIKES.


Of course if a popular Knicks twitter account posts it, it's going to get more likes. That's common sense idgaf about likes. They are mad heads that aren't satisfied with KAT and Mikal's defense and it ain't just knicks fans pointing it out. You can be in denial about it. You hate thibs so you're just putting all the blame on him cause it's the easy thing to do.

So, some random person who shares your opinion means more than Knick fans all piling on to like a tweet hating on Thibs? Where are all these people tired of Mikal and KAT? It's really just you in here trying to deflect from Thibs being a poor coach. If you wanna talk about the game, lets discuss putting 2 non shooters on the floor, or how despite having offensive power we can't score against this team because we don't really run anything, and all season long teams that switch heavy on defense cripple our offense with little to no adjustments from the coach.

It's like you're trying to do a magic trick and we all know what the prestige is. I know there's a trap door, be upfront with it.

You must not know how twitter works. If you're popular, you're going to get a bunch of likes regardless if the tweet is good or not. You want a prime example? Look at kanye these past 2 days

There's a bunch of heads on twitter tired of KAT and Mikal's defense. You're just in denial about it and you're trying to deflect to thibs because you don't want to admit that this was a poorly constructed defensive team like me and sham told you it was.

We literally started Deuce in the 2nd half so there wasn't 2 non shooters on the floor and it absolutely did nothing. Instead Tatum went for 40 against Mikal and KAT put up an embarassing effort on defense. You're talking about why we can't score against teams that switch maybe you should ask KAT yourself because that has literally been a massive problem for him most of his career, despite having different coaches.

You can run in circles around this all day but it won't work against me fam

I'm sorry to do this, but I called it.






I was close, it wasn't the magic trick but you're saying I'm deflecting after I said you were deflecting, the ole "I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say about me bounces off of me and sticks to you". The prestige is visible my man, I see the move coming a mile away.

You have not said 1 thing about Thibs coaching, not a single thing. Playing in a drop against the Celtics is ridiculous, yet we continue to do it. You have been shown stats left and right that go against your argument, but you just throw them out because it doesn't fit the agenda. Again, it's transparent, rushing here to post tweets from KnicksBot38347 with no followers or likes to validate your point is something Greenie does, you don't take the tweets from even more Knicks fans calling for Thibs to be fired seriously because you don't like the team.

I'll say it again, it's borderline insulting playing it like it's anything but that.

[WaltFrazier]

54 games in. Keep up the great work. We riding with you Mikal! Ignore the HATE!

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He may not be nominated again for February, after tonight.

[Butch718]

One last thing, the thing that’s especially frustrating is that we as fans can see that certain things aren’t working. That certain lineups aren’t working. That certain schemes aren’t working. We aren’t professional coaches by any means, but we are intelligent enough to see that certain things are just not working. So how can a professional head coach not make any damn adjustments throughout the season? Like you had 4 days to prepare this team bro.

[mpharris36]

Mikal was up for defensive player of the month. He was clamping up Morant and Fox plus others. He had a bad game against a big forward that isn't a good matchup for him. Not sure this is the time to pile on Bridges. He has been holding his own defensively (if not exceeding it recently).

KAT couldn't move today. He was awful and stuck in mud. Had no lift (he was downgraded right before the game to question/game time decision) clearly something was up. I mean do we commend him for playing through 2 injuries or would you like the staff and medical team to protect him from himself. He didn't even jump for the opening tip. He was out rebounded multiple times by interior guys. He wasn't right.

This ties into the minutes issue as well. Players want to play. They all do. My kids want to do things they aren't suppose to either. I don't let them run the run the show. Same applies. Who saw KAT warm up today and think he was good to go?

I'm curious I want to go back and watch the Mavs game yesterday vs the Celtics. How does a team that starts Kryie, Klay, Dante Exum, Kessler Edwards, and Gafford keep Tatum in check for 5-12 from the field

Celtics scored 120 pts but that is super deceiving because then end of the bench was like +17 otherwise they got blown out.

[Butch718]

Gave up 5 picks for this guy to lock up stars and this is what he does

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Not for nothing, but when a player is locked in like that no one is stopping them. He just made bucket after bucket. A good amount were tough and contested. It’s the same when Brunson cooks opposing players. Great players won’t be stopped no matter who you put on them.

So posts like this seem rather agenda driven, rather than one driven on actual analysis of what was going on throughout the game.

Not to take any blame of Mikal though, because he could have shot a lot better. He had good looks and bricked a lot in the first half. He got cooked tonight. But it wasn’t because he was playing piss poor defense.

[TKKnicks1]

One last thing, the thing that’s especially frustrating is that we as fans can see that certain things aren’t working. That certain lineups aren’t working. That certain schemes aren’t working. We aren’t professional coaches by any means, but we are intelligent enough to see that certain things are just not working. So how can a professional head coach not make any damn adjustments throughout the season? Like you had 4 days to prepare this team bro.

Not just fans. Perk and others have called out Thibs on his lack of preparation and lack of adjustments to today's NBA. It's not pure luck that the elite teams know exactly how to attack the Knicks defense or should I say lack there of.

[3toheadmelo]

So, some random person who shares your opinion means more than Knick fans all piling on to like a tweet hating on Thibs? Where are all these people tired of Mikal and KAT? It's really just you in here trying to deflect from Thibs being a poor coach. If you wanna talk about the game, lets discuss putting 2 non shooters on the floor, or how despite having offensive power we can't score against this team because we don't really run anything, and all season long teams that switch heavy on defense cripple our offense with little to no adjustments from the coach.

It's like you're trying to do a magic trick and we all know what the prestige is. I know there's a trap door, be upfront with it.

You must not know how twitter works. If you're popular, you're going to get a bunch of likes regardless if the tweet is good or not. You want a prime example? Look at kanye these past 2 days

There's a bunch of heads on twitter tired of KAT and Mikal's defense. You're just in denial about it and you're trying to deflect to thibs because you don't want to admit that this was a poorly constructed defensive team like me and sham told you it was.

We literally started Deuce in the 2nd half so there wasn't 2 non shooters on the floor and it absolutely did nothing. Instead Tatum went for 40 against Mikal and KAT put up an embarassing effort on defense. You're talking about why we can't score against teams that switch maybe you should ask KAT yourself because that has literally been a massive problem for him most of his career, despite having different coaches.

You can run in circles around this all day but it won't work against me fam

I'm sorry to do this, but I called it.






I was close, it wasn't the magic trick but you're saying I'm deflecting after I said you were deflecting, the ole "I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say about me bounces off of me and sticks to you". The prestige is visible my man, I see the move coming a mile away.

You have not said 1 thing about Thibs coaching, not a single thing. Playing in a drop against the Celtics is ridiculous, yet we continue to do it. You have been shown stats left and right that go against your argument, but you just throw them out because it doesn't fit the agenda. Again, it's transparent, rushing here to post tweets from KnicksBot38347 with no followers or likes to validate your point is something Greenie does, you don't take the tweets from even more Knicks fans calling for Thibs to be fired seriously because you don't like the team.

I'll say it again, it's borderline insulting playing it like it's anything but that.

Your screenshots aren't working brother. It's just proving my point about you projecting about every point you're trying to use against me. It's your MO man.

The stats, videos, articles have been shown to you of a whole decade of KAT's lack of defense and you simply ignored it because you want to live in denial. Been told you Mikal ain't played defense in YEARS. I can't help you if you won't accept it.

I even gave you receipts that I would fire Thibs for a proven upgrade. But once again, you ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative and you're in denial about it.

You're too deep into your thibs hate, it's letting you cloud your judgement about everything else. I'm trying to save you bredren but it seems like you're too deep in this and you can't get out of it. So for that, im bowing out of this.

[The KnicksFix]

Mikal was up for defensive player of the month. He was clamping up Morant and Fox plus others. He had a bad game against a big forward that isn't a good matchup for him. Not sure this is the time to pile on Bridges. He has been holding his own defensively (if not exceeding it recently).

KAT couldn't move today. He was awful and stuck in mud. Had no lift (he was downgraded right before the game to question/game time decision) clearly something was up. I mean do we commend him for playing through 2 injuries or would you like the staff and medical team to protect him from himself. He didn't even jump for the opening tip. He was out rebounded multiple times by interior guys. He wasn't right.

This ties into the minutes issue as well. Players want to play. They all do. My kids want to do things they aren't suppose to either. I don't let them run the run the show. Same applies. Who saw KAT warm up today and think he was good to go?

I'm curious I want to go back and watch the Mavs game yesterday vs the Celtics. How does a team that starts Kryie, Klay, Dante Exum, Kessler Edwards, and Gafford keep Tatum in check for 5-12 from the field

Celtics scored 120 pts but that is super deceiving because then end of the bench was like +17 otherwise they got blown out.

NO… DROP

[3toheadmelo]

Gave up 5 picks for this guy to lock up stars and this is what he does

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Not for nothing, but when a player is locked in like that no one is stopping them. He just made bucket after bucket. It’s the same when Brunson cooks opposing players. Great players won’t be stopped no matter who you put on them.

Not to take any blame of Mikal though, because he could have shot a lot better. He had good looks and bricked a lot in the first half.

I agree Tatum was in that mode but this is the second game in a row where Tatum has just shot the lights out against us and Mikal got lit up like crazy. I mean the whole point of getting him was literally to match up against Boston's wings. It's disappointing as hell. Mikal sucked on offense but I'm more worried about him on defense. Seems like he is only good matching up on small guards but gets torched against wings, players his size.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You must not know how twitter works. If you're popular, you're going to get a bunch of likes regardless if the tweet is good or not. You want a prime example? Look at kanye these past 2 days

There's a bunch of heads on twitter tired of KAT and Mikal's defense. You're just in denial about it and you're trying to deflect to thibs because you don't want to admit that this was a poorly constructed defensive team like me and sham told you it was.

We literally started Deuce in the 2nd half so there wasn't 2 non shooters on the floor and it absolutely did nothing. Instead Tatum went for 40 against Mikal and KAT put up an embarassing effort on defense. You're talking about why we can't score against teams that switch maybe you should ask KAT yourself because that has literally been a massive problem for him most of his career, despite having different coaches.

You can run in circles around this all day but it won't work against me fam

I'm sorry to do this, but I called it.






I was close, it wasn't the magic trick but you're saying I'm deflecting after I said you were deflecting, the ole "I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say about me bounces off of me and sticks to you". The prestige is visible my man, I see the move coming a mile away.

You have not said 1 thing about Thibs coaching, not a single thing. Playing in a drop against the Celtics is ridiculous, yet we continue to do it. You have been shown stats left and right that go against your argument, but you just throw them out because it doesn't fit the agenda. Again, it's transparent, rushing here to post tweets from KnicksBot38347 with no followers or likes to validate your point is something Greenie does, you don't take the tweets from even more Knicks fans calling for Thibs to be fired seriously because you don't like the team.

I'll say it again, it's borderline insulting playing it like it's anything but that.

Your screenshots aren't working brother. It's just proving my point about you projecting about every point you're trying to use against me. It's your MO man.

The stats, videos, articles have been shown to you of a whole decade of KAT's lack of defense and you simply ignored it because you want to live in denial. Been told you Mikal ain't played defense in YEARS. I can't help you if you won't accept it.

I even gave you receipts that I would fire Thibs for a proven upgrade. But once again, you ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative and you're in denial about it.

You're too deep into your thibs hate, it's letting you cloud your judgement about everything else. I'm trying to save you bredren but it seems like you're too deep in this and you can't get out of it. So for that, im bowing out of this.

Still doing the "I'm rubber you're glue" after getting picked 6, I'm in prevent with Deion one side and Revis on the other and you're still trying to throw it deep.

What narrative do I have? I watched someone play their team in a drop against the most prolific three point shooting team in history. Saying people are tired of Mikal and KAT, a week after Mikal won defensive player of the month is crazy work. My agenda is for the Knicks to be in the best position to win, the coach doesn't do that against elite teams, I can recognize that because I don't dislike the team.

The screenshot is proof of me adjusting and having a gameplan, like a good coach does. Still trying reversals after I called the shot? This is not how gentlemen behave, this is unbecoming.

[Capn'O]

[Butch718]

Gave up 5 picks for this guy to lock up stars and this is what he does

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Not for nothing, but when a player is locked in like that no one is stopping them. He just made bucket after bucket. It’s the same when Brunson cooks opposing players. Great players won’t be stopped no matter who you put on them.

Not to take any blame of Mikal though, because he could have shot a lot better. He had good looks and bricked a lot in the first half.

I agree Tatum was in that mode but this is the second game in a row where Tatum has just shot the lights out against us and Mikal got lit up like crazy. I mean the whole point of getting him was literally to match up against Boston's wings. It's disappointing as hell. Mikal sucked on offense but I'm more worried about him on defense. Seems like he is only good matching up on small guards but gets torched against wings, players his size.

That’s gonna happen in this league. Once a great player gets going it’s going to be hard to stop them.

We’ve seen Brunson do it against great defenders as well.

I don’t even care about Mikal being cooked by Tatum. My problem is our coaching failing to change schemes. There’s just absolutely no growth or adjustments being made throughout the season and it’s maddening to see.

[Capn'O]

Gave up 5 picks for this guy to lock up stars and this is what he does

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Not for nothing, but when a player is locked in like that no one is stopping them. He just made bucket after bucket. It’s the same when Brunson cooks opposing players. Great players won’t be stopped no matter who you put on them.

Not to take any blame of Mikal though, because he could have shot a lot better. He had good looks and bricked a lot in the first half.

I agree Tatum was in that mode but this is the second game in a row where Tatum has just shot the lights out against us and Mikal got lit up like crazy. I mean the whole point of getting him was literally to match up against Boston's wings. It's disappointing as hell. Mikal sucked on offense but I'm more worried about him on defense. Seems like he is only good matching up on small guards but gets torched against wings, players his size.

He's never been good against big wings. He's a POA and SG defender. He'd be fine on Brown but we have no chance against Boston without OG.

[3toheadmelo]

At least KAT isn't having any excuses like everyone else is here

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[Butch718]

At least KAT isn't having any excuses like everyone else is here

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I ain’t trying to hear anything from towns either. Injured or not, dude got outplayed by Kornet.

[Capn'O]

This team is not a contender

Sad part is Isiah Thomas never put this team in as bad a future position as it currently is in

Did Isiah ever put a team together that had two all star starters or was over .650? Nobody's fooled here, guy.

[snadler]

I knew after tonight’s performance the thibs haters would be in all their glory. Think about this, with no OG and no Mitch having deuce as the 6th man, deuce shot 1-8 from the field, c’s missing KP and jrue slide Kornet into the 5 spot he dominated on defense, and there 6th man Pritchard shoots 9-14 for 27 points. Sure it’s easy to blame the coach, however the knicks struggles and c’s domination has much more to do with current talent levels than anything to do with coaching. That’s also forgetting to mention KAT having by far his worst game as a knick.