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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescinded, Page 12. 

Post#1201 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Feb 9, 2025 4:43 am

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I think it's pretty clear that if they found multiple injuries with his foot that were a concern then he probably shouldn't have been playing for the past few weeks. We don't know if they were never healed correctly the first time or if he re injured him recently. But he has not been moving well since he came back. So there's no reason to play him now just to try to spite the Lakers and prove that he was actually healthy. Shut him down let him get healthy and have a summer to finally work on adding some strength or something. But at some point they have to make a decision on continuing to pick up his contracts. And if they were worried enough about his health to try to ship him off then I can't imagine a world where they're going to commit big money to him on a long term deal. At best he makes it to restricted free agency and maybe gets a prove it deal like we gave to miles. And if your mark why are you going to want to stick around with a franchise that tried to trade you.? I won't say it's impossible that he gets signed to a long term second deal with us but I find it extremely unlikely at this point that that happens. And I finally extremely unlikely that he doesn't get shut down for the rest of the year

I've been wrong a million times before so we'll see.

I don't think hes looked like someone who isn't physically able to play recently. Hes literally had 30 point games in the last few weeks and games with nearly 20 rebounds.

The Lakers were trading an unprotected 2031 1st for him, so they had to be confident he was going to be their franchise center six years from now if they were going to go through with the trade. I think their decision at the very least means they werent willing to bet on his health 5+ years from now, but not necessarily that he is in such bad condition that he shouldn't be currently playing.

I don't think hes ever looked quite as spry as he did before the injuries, but I don't think hes looked that bad, and I thought he looked more lazy than anything recently. I didn't think the laziness looked that bad until after both LaMelo and Miller went down and we were trotting out GLeague teams with him, so idk. I'm not convinced hes necessarily just toast and his career is basically over. I'm definitely not confident he will have a very long career though.

I would sit him out for a bit to focus on conditioning and avoid injury either way, wouldnt even be mad at the entire season. I also think its possible his relationship with the team is toast and they'll try to trade him.



I mean clearly he is physically able to play I mean he obviously was playing games. The question is should he have been playing did playing him prematurely jeopardize his foot rehabilitation? I mean I guess if Mark really wants to play and the Hornets want to put their middle finger up at the Lakers they can play mark every game for the rest of the year and say see we told you he was healthy.


Oh, so the motivation to play mark every game for the rear of the year would be "I told you so"?

And not because...I don't know...he can play and is not damaged goods after all?
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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescinded, Page 12. 

Post#1202 » by Bassman » Sun Feb 9, 2025 4:44 am

Well it’s not the first time a team has failed a player via physical to rescind a trade. They claim multiple issues but none involve his back. The foot I could figure, but what else? And the mystery of the head trainer quitting just before all this. Perhaps disagreement on how to manage injuries? Being pushed to clear players when he thought they needed more time?

I can see Williams being prodded to get out there and play, then having some chronic inflammation or micro tears he was trying to play through. He’s heard so much about his injuries perhaps he was just trying to gut it out, which reflected in his poor defense and lead footed play. In any case, Hornets need to really figure out his true status. If he’s got ongoing issues, shut him down and rehab.
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Post#1203 » by countryboi » Sun Feb 9, 2025 4:46 am

yosemiteben wrote:In what universe are we going to look bad? Like anyone could be surprised he's had a tendency to get injured?

Is the operating theory that we showed up and said, "Yep, good as new like he's never been hurt" when he was like 2 weeks removed from a minutes restriction?


People in this thread are questioning Jeff Peterson's competence, so you know Lakers fans are doing the same. Additionally the Lakers are feeding the media that we didn’t provide them with complete and accurate medical information, combined with the generally low opinion of the Hornets.

there's zero chance we won’t look bad. No one is even going to question it because they already believe we are incompetent.
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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescinded, Page 12. 

Post#1204 » by JustBuzzin » Sun Feb 9, 2025 4:48 am

Well I once viewed Mark as part of the core 3. This news isn't good and he's likely not a long-term piece.

We are still in the same position as before Melo/Miller and build around that duo.


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Post#1205 » by yosemiteben » Sun Feb 9, 2025 4:53 am

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yosemiteben wrote:In what universe are we going to look bad? Like anyone could be surprised he's had a tendency to get injured?

Is the operating theory that we showed up and said, "Yep, good as new like he's never been hurt" when he was like 2 weeks removed from a minutes restriction?


People in this thread are questioning Jeff Peterson's competence, so you know Lakers fans are doing the same. Additionally the Lakers are feeding the media that we didn’t provide them with complete and accurate medical information, combined with the generally low opinion of the Hornets.

there's zero chance we won’t look bad. No one is even going to question it because they already believe we are incompetent.

That's kind of my point. We only look bad if you're starting with the perspective that everything we do is bad.

First we were wrong to try to trade him because we should have kept him, now we were wrong to try to trade him because it's being dishonest to other teams.

Unless something extremely damning comes out, I refuse to believe they lied or misled the Lakers. The Lakers knew injuries were a big risk, this feels like they got too eager and rolled the dice ignoring the injury risk, then the doctors were like yeah this is actually bad and they were stuck.
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Post#1206 » by KembaWalker » Sun Feb 9, 2025 4:59 am

Need Ben’s 1000 word essay on how this is actually brilliant 4d chess master class by Peterson and we’re in a better spot than ever
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Post#1207 » by fatlever » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:01 am

I still stand by my statement that I don't expect to see mark play in the Hornets uniform again this season. whatever is going on with that foot they need to let him rest and rehab. There's just really no point in playing him again this year. I don't think it helps mark either. and then I suspect that this summer they'll find a trade partner and we'll get about 10 cents on the dollar at that point.
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Post#1208 » by GoBobs » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:01 am

The problem with Mark is he is not physical and guys that are bully him. If you think guys were going at him hard before, it is only going to be worse after this news. We need to put him in the game with Diabate.
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Post#1209 » by fatlever » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:06 am

yosemiteben wrote:
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yosemiteben wrote:In what universe are we going to look bad? Like anyone could be surprised he's had a tendency to get injured?

Is the operating theory that we showed up and said, "Yep, good as new like he's never been hurt" when he was like 2 weeks removed from a minutes restriction?


People in this thread are questioning Jeff Peterson's competence, so you know Lakers fans are doing the same. Additionally the Lakers are feeding the media that we didn’t provide them with complete and accurate medical information, combined with the generally low opinion of the Hornets.

there's zero chance we won’t look bad. No one is even going to question it because they already believe we are incompetent.

That's kind of my point. We only look bad if you're starting with the perspective that everything we do is bad.

First we were wrong to try to trade him because we should have kept him, now we were wrong to try to trade him because it's being dishonest to other teams.

Unless something extremely damning comes out, I refuse to believe they lied or misled the Lakers. The Lakers knew injuries were a big risk, this feels like they got too eager and rolled the dice ignoring the injury risk, then the doctors were like yeah this is actually bad and they were stuck.


yeah I think that's exactly what happened. I don't think anyone ever lied to the Lakers and said Mark is a beacon of health. Clearly the Lakers knew we had been managing his foot injuries I don't think any of that was under dispute. So maybe I walk back a little bit that Jeff Peterson tried to pull the wool over someones eyes. I suspect we were probably the ones that called Lakers. Because we knew they were desperate for a big man and because we knew that injury concerns were probably a little more than the rest of the league was aware. the Lakers get him in the house and finally get a chance to look at him in person and realize that his injuries are A little worse than they expected.

Which again begs the question, should he have been playing to begin with?
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Post#1210 » by JustBuzzin » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:07 am

Yikes!

Just checked the Hornets board on reddit and they have a quote from Pelinka on the Mark Williams trade and he said they are not concerned about his previous injuries.

Well what changed?

NBA could investigate this, but no way they touch it because it's the Lakers and we're the Hornets.

This is why I miss David Stern. This shady stuff wouldn't happen if he was commissioner.
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Post#1211 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:07 am

fatlever wrote:I still stand by my statement that I don't expect to see mark play in the Hornets uniform again this season. whatever is going on with that foot they need to let him rest and rehab. There's just really no point in playing him again this year. I don't think it helps mark either. and then I suspect that this summer they'll find a trade partner and we'll get about 10 cents on the dollar at that point.


So your conspiracy is aimed at the Hornets, but if any Hornets fan is skeptical about the shady **** they do in Los Angeles, they are the conspiracy theorist.

You make it hard to lift the boot on our neck.
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Post#1212 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:08 am

JustBuzzin wrote:Yikes!

Just checked the Hornets board on reddit and they have a quote from Pelinka on the Mark Williams trade and he said they are not concerned about his previous injuries.

Well what changed?

NBA could investigate this, but no way they touch it because it's the Lakers and we're the Hornets.

This is why I miss David Stern. This shady stuff wouldn't happen if he was commissioner.


They said they didn't think he could be a 5-10 year starter.
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Post#1213 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:10 am

I think especially after the Lakers won again today something shady happened.

Edit : and I’m never about stuff like this.
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Post#1214 » by NCHeels2008 » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:13 am

fatlever wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
countryboi wrote:
People in this thread are questioning Jeff Peterson's competence, so you know Lakers fans are doing the same. Additionally the Lakers are feeding the media that we didn’t provide them with complete and accurate medical information, combined with the generally low opinion of the Hornets.

there's zero chance we won’t look bad. No one is even going to question it because they already believe we are incompetent.

That's kind of my point. We only look bad if you're starting with the perspective that everything we do is bad.

First we were wrong to try to trade him because we should have kept him, now we were wrong to try to trade him because it's being dishonest to other teams.

Unless something extremely damning comes out, I refuse to believe they lied or misled the Lakers. The Lakers knew injuries were a big risk, this feels like they got too eager and rolled the dice ignoring the injury risk, then the doctors were like yeah this is actually bad and they were stuck.


yeah I think that's exactly what happened. I don't think anyone ever lied to the Lakers and said Mark is a beacon of health. Clearly the Lakers knew we had been managing his foot injuries I don't think any of that was under dispute. So maybe I walk back a little bit that Jeff Peterson tried to pull the wool over someones eyes. I suspect we were probably the ones that called Lakers. Because we knew they were desperate for a big man and because we knew that injury concerns were probably a little more than the rest of the league was aware. the Lakers get him in the house and finally get a chance to look at him in person and realize that his injuries are A little worse than they expected.

Which again begs the question, should he have been playing to begin with?


I think they had to be a lot worse, there was a ton of buzz here after the Williams deal that maybe the Lakers could make a run this year. LeBron might already be too old to be the 2nd best player on a title winning team, he most certainly will be next year I think it had to be ugly for them to rescind it.
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Post#1215 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:14 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:I think especially after the Lakers won again today something shady happened.

Edit : and I’m never about stuff like this.


Yeah, they found out KD is willing to play there with Luka & LeBron.

So the Lakers pulled back their pieces (2030 swap, 2031 unprotected, Knecht) for the bidding.

All because LeBron feels humiliated by Michael Jordan's 6 championships and UNDEFEATED record in the Finals.

Klutch is on payroll in LA.
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Post#1216 » by EmpireFalls » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:27 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I think especially after the Lakers won again today something shady happened.

Edit : and I’m never about stuff like this.


Yeah, they found out KD is willing to play there with Luka & LeBron.

So the Lakers pulled back their pieces (2030 swap, 2031 unprotected, Knecht) for the bidding.

All because LeBron feels humiliated by Michael Jordan's 6 championships and UNDEFEATED record in the Finals.

Klutch is on payroll in LA.

Alright I can’t really get there with this one. He is 40. Wouldn’t it make a million times more sense to make the trade for the center now and try to win this year? Don’t get it. This hurts the Lakers a ton in the short term.
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Post#1217 » by Diop » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:30 am

Lakers: How dare you try and send us your injured players!

Meanwhile: Anthony Davis injured after playing half a game with Dallas
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Post#1218 » by Diop » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:31 am

EmpireFalls wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I think especially after the Lakers won again today something shady happened.

Edit : and I’m never about stuff like this.


Yeah, they found out KD is willing to play there with Luka & LeBron.

So the Lakers pulled back their pieces (2030 swap, 2031 unprotected, Knecht) for the bidding.

All because LeBron feels humiliated by Michael Jordan's 6 championships and UNDEFEATED record in the Finals.

Klutch is on payroll in LA.

Alright I can’t really get there with this one. He is 40. Wouldn’t it make a million times more sense to make the trade for the center now and try to win this year? Don’t get it. This hurts the Lakers a ton in the short term.

Probably trade for Embiid in the offseason

(Who will the spend half the season on the injury list :lol:
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Post#1219 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:34 am

EmpireFalls wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I think especially after the Lakers won again today something shady happened.

Edit : and I’m never about stuff like this.


Yeah, they found out KD is willing to play there with Luka & LeBron.

So the Lakers pulled back their pieces (2030 swap, 2031 unprotected, Knecht) for the bidding.

All because LeBron feels humiliated by Michael Jordan's 6 championships and UNDEFEATED record in the Finals.

Klutch is on payroll in LA.

Alright I can’t really get there with this one. He is 40. Wouldn’t it make a million times more sense to make the trade for the center now and try to win this year? Don’t get it. This hurts the Lakers a ton in the short term.


The LeBron window includes next year.

Luka and LeBron will play together next year. Who do they want Mark now and next? Or KD next year? If they choose KD, the GM has to recover the assets and bundle them with the rest this summer.

You don't have to see it this way. But just remember I mentioned KD to the Lakers. This summer will confirm it.
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Post#1220 » by countryboi » Sun Feb 9, 2025 5:36 am

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