PG: why are you still watching the Celtics pound the Knicks at MSG?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Deuce fell off. Ship him out for Sexton

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I’m glad when the summer is over and the roster set so you stop spamming these threads with my Sexton idea…

Sexton makes too much money. He doesn’t fit contract wise, and Ainge will want a million picks

[Deeeez Knicks]

Tatum shot 4-9 against Mikal according to nba.com. Mikal has been playing great defense over the past few months.

But yeah, in this one pretty much everybody played poorly except Brunson and Thibs was outcoached.

Agreed. The stink of defeat is on everyone except Brunson this game. Thibs included. Leon’s gonna have his work cut out for him this offseason.

Ultimately the season will be judged more so on the playoffs so we will have to see what happens. This is still the best team since the Ewing days. We don’t look like a contender right now, but I don’t think we are that far away. Maybe Leon has a few more moves up his sleeves

[spree2kawhi]

Deuce fell off. Ship him out for Sexton

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I’m glad when the summer is over and the roster set so you stop spamming these threads with my Sexton idea…

Your idea? I’ve been saying for us to after sexton since he was in college.

Sexton wasn’t always a fit, but at this deadline he sure was. It is unfortunate it didn’t go down. Utah basically stood pat, F them. At least they waived Bamba, but is Leon even awake?

[HopelessKnick]

Tatum shot 4-9 against Mikal according to nba.com. Mikal has been playing great defense over the past few months.

But yeah, in this one pretty much everybody played poorly except Brunson and Thibs was outcoached.

Agreed. The stink of defeat is on everyone except Brunson this game. Thibs included. Leon’s gonna have his work cut out for him this offseason.

Ultimately the season will be judged more so on the playoffs so we will have to see what happens. This is still the best team since the Ewing days. We don’t look like a contender right now, but I don’t think we are that far away. Maybe Leon has a few more moves up his sleeves

I think essentially we need to strike some gold with our rookies or drafting. Whether it is Kolek, Pacome or Huk---like one of them needs to become a really good rotational player.

The other route will probably be explored after next season at the earliest---meaning looking at some sort of package where you package 2 of our starters for some disgruntled superstar player that semi forces his way here---a semi pivot around Brunson and OG most likely. I do really hope this group can work it out together---really like them personality wise and game wise. It remains to be seen whether we can get away with their weaknesses. I mean theoretically speaking, you have to give them 2 seasons to show what their ceiling is IMO. I also highly doubt the FO would consider any coaching change prior to the end of next season due to the extension---that's while I see Thibs shortcomings and weaknesses, it feels he is going to be here for next season either way---barring any catastrophic break with the players or losing streak or so.

[HopelessKnick]

I’m glad when the summer is over and the roster set so you stop spamming these threads with my Sexton idea…

Your idea? I’ve been saying for us to after sexton since he was in college.

Sexton wasn’t always a fit, but at this deadline he sure was. It is unfortunate it didn’t go down. Utah basically stood pat, F them. At least they waived Bamba, but is Leon even awake?

The problem with Sexton is you will face the same problems on defense--probably even worse. Also he makes around 20million so they wouldn't be any plausible way for us to get him.

The ideal backcourt fit would be someone with size and length that can defend and hit the 3 and playmake a bit. Very hard to get by in a trade at this point without picks etc. I think it would be very important to be able to play JB and that player next to each other with no compromising defense or offense---someone like Derrick White really.

[Wildcat]

Deuce fell off. Ship him out for Sexton

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I've been taking a swim in the shallow end of getting off the Deuce train. I'm not ready to go swimming on the deep end, but Deuce not taking that step we all thought he'd take is disappointing.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Agreed. The stink of defeat is on everyone except Brunson this game. Thibs included. Leon’s gonna have his work cut out for him this offseason.

Ultimately the season will be judged more so on the playoffs so we will have to see what happens. This is still the best team since the Ewing days. We don’t look like a contender right now, but I don’t think we are that far away. Maybe Leon has a few more moves up his sleeves

I think essentially we need to strike some gold with our rookies or drafting. Whether it is Kolek, Pacome or Huk---like one of them needs to become a really good rotational player.

The other route will probably be explored after next season at the earliest---meaning looking at some sort of package where you package 2 of our starters for some disgruntled superstar player that semi forces his way here---a semi pivot around Brunson and OG most likely. I do really hope this group can work it out together---really like them personality wise and game wise. It remains to be seen whether we can get away with their weaknesses. I mean theoretically speaking, you have to give them 2 seasons to show what their ceiling is IMO. I also highly doubt the FO would consider any coaching change prior to the end of next season due to the extension---that's while I see Thibs shortcomings and weaknesses, it feels he is going to be here for next season either way---barring any catastrophic break with the players or losing streak or so.

Hopefully Mitch can get back healthy….it is tough to count on him though. At least it’ll give us a chance to see another look with KAT at PF with a true C on this roster.

They probably will give this core more time before a big shakeup. The right tweaks can improve the roster too.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Deuce shot poorly but mostly played his usual good defense. Held opponents to 28.6% fg and had 4 steals. That one call on DWhite was bs and we should have challenged. Team looked better with him on the floor too. He shot poorly though when we needed some buckets so overall bad game. Up and down this year so far…..there is time to put it together though. We do need him.

[HopelessKnick]

Ultimately the season will be judged more so on the playoffs so we will have to see what happens. This is still the best team since the Ewing days. We don’t look like a contender right now, but I don’t think we are that far away. Maybe Leon has a few more moves up his sleeves

I think essentially we need to strike some gold with our rookies or drafting. Whether it is Kolek, Pacome or Huk---like one of them needs to become a really good rotational player.

The other route will probably be explored after next season at the earliest---meaning looking at some sort of package where you package 2 of our starters for some disgruntled superstar player that semi forces his way here---a semi pivot around Brunson and OG most likely. I do really hope this group can work it out together---really like them personality wise and game wise. It remains to be seen whether we can get away with their weaknesses. I mean theoretically speaking, you have to give them 2 seasons to show what their ceiling is IMO. I also highly doubt the FO would consider any coaching change prior to the end of next season due to the extension---that's while I see Thibs shortcomings and weaknesses, it feels he is going to be here for next season either way---barring any catastrophic break with the players or losing streak or so.

Hopefully Mitch can get back healthy….it is tough to count on him though. At least it’ll give us a chance to see another look with KAT at PF with a true C on this roster.

They probably will give this core more time before a big shakeup. The right tweaks can improve the roster too.

Yeah they definitely can. For me the Knicks, although not on the level of OKC or Boston are still in a good spot although we'll need some real creativity to improve the current roster. It still can be done.

You know what the biggest question mark for me is? Thibs plays his starters heavy minutes and does not rely much on the bench. While our starters may gel more and play better, they are all in their prime, so it is unrealistic to expect any big jumps by them. Given the fact that we don't have picks or big contracts (outside the starters) to send out in a trade, the question is how does the team really improve significantly?

[R-DAWG]

Your idea? I’ve been saying for us to after sexton since he was in college.

Sexton wasn’t always a fit, but at this deadline he sure was. It is unfortunate it didn’t go down. Utah basically stood pat, F them. At least they waived Bamba, but is Leon even awake?

The problem with Sexton is you will face the same problems on defense--probably even worse. Also he makes around 20million so they wouldn't be any plausible way for us to get him.

The ideal backcourt fit would be someone with size and length that can defend and hit the 3 and playmake a bit. Very hard to get by in a trade at this point without picks etc. I think it would be very important to be able to play JB and that player next to each other with no compromising defense or offense---someone like Derrick White really.

Sounds like Malcom Brogdon would be a great fit.

Ideally Bridges would be playing the 3 as well.

Feels like breaking up the OG contract into another guard who can score and create and a rim protector is the kind of move that should be considered in the offseason.

[spree2kawhi]

Sexton wasn’t always a fit, but at this deadline he sure was. It is unfortunate it didn’t go down. Utah basically stood pat, F them. At least they waived Bamba, but is Leon even awake?

The problem with Sexton is you will face the same problems on defense--probably even worse. Also he makes around 20million so they wouldn't be any plausible way for us to get him.

The ideal backcourt fit would be someone with size and length that can defend and hit the 3 and playmake a bit. Very hard to get by in a trade at this point without picks etc. I think it would be very important to be able to play JB and that player next to each other with no compromising defense or offense---someone like Derrick White really.

Sounds like Malcom Brogdon would be a great fit.

Ideally Bridges would be playing the 3 as well.

Feels like breaking up the OG contract into another guard who can score and create and a rim protector is the kind of move that should be considered in the offseason.

Omg no

[TKKnicks1]

I really thought this was the year McBride was really gonna bring it. Sixth man of the year guaranteed. He's been real bad. His shooting is down across the board. His defense was better last year. Maybe that hammy is still lingering, I don't know. McBride is probably the only bench player Thibs has given a complete green light to so if we want a chance to go far in the post season we need his production off the bench.

[gavran]

This game gave me appendicitis. F+ck.

[8516knicks]

not defending the 3 killed us...Tatum cant go off like that when we have Mitch. Easier to guard the 3 with Mitch.

Happens SO OFTEN that it is apparent to all SOMETHING should have been done about it. That rests on Thibs.

This is his ceiling.

And we have 2 key pieces out leaving only 3 frontcourt players.

When KAT is stealthy injured (?) Precious can't do it alone.

Mikal and Hart are terrific but more guards than frontcourt, despite Hart's wonderous rebounding.

WE NEED FUNCTIONAL SIZE! And THIBS NEEDS TO PLAY THEM. I'd rather see the C's beat us at the foul line now than another 3 catastrophe.

[louisorr]

I am not overreacting to this loss, but out of all good teams / contenders we have absolutely the least margin for error.
when 2 of our top 8 are out, we are cooked. maybe not in a normal game and maybe not even in the first round... but when it really counts.
Josh Hart is a fantastic 5th starter and do it all role player, but when he has to be a top 3 option in such a game... you are cooked.
Precious Achiuwa is a scrappy and feisty 8th-9th man, but when he is a starter in a high stakes game... you are cooked as well.
All of our role players look good when they are used properly, but not such much when you need them to fill a bigger role.

and yet Luke Kornet and Peton Prichard can more than hold their own in elevated roles. Yes their roster is much better than ours but Thibs is a weak link when figuring out how to best use talent.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[KnixinSix]

Its is becoming obvious Thibs is probably not the ideal coach for this squad of players.

The only hope at this point is to see him with Mitchell Robinson and OG back. But right now his rep as a defensive guru seems very overrated.

He really needs that defensive 5 in the middle. He can't seem to coach up defense without it. Missing OG doesn't help either.

Thibs seems to need everything just right for his defense to work. Other coaches are not like that.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Disgusting. Moving on.

[Spree2Houston]

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Our only win came last season when we played physical with Hartenstein/Mitch at Center. We blew them off the court and the narrative was they didn't try because they clinched everything lol But the eyes test showed me the Celtics don’t like to play physical. We need to go back to our old identity with Mitch at Center and let Hukporti take the backup C mins. Bring Josh Hart off the bench and call up TJ Warren. We probably wont win the series but we won’t get punked like that again.

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[WaltFrazier]

Your idea? I’ve been saying for us to after sexton since he was in college.

Sexton wasn’t always a fit, but at this deadline he sure was. It is unfortunate it didn’t go down. Utah basically stood pat, F them. At least they waived Bamba, but is Leon even awake?

The problem with Sexton is you will face the same problems on defense--probably even worse. Also he makes around 20million so they wouldn't be any plausible way for us to get him.

The ideal backcourt fit would be someone with size and length that can defend and hit the 3 and playmake a bit. Very hard to get by in a trade at this point without picks etc. I think it would be very important to be able to play JB and that player next to each other with no compromising defense or offense---someone like Derrick White really.

Brogdon? The kind of vet Thibs would play, but he's getting a bit old and somewhat injury prone