Wow, the Mavs PR is a disaster...Listen,yes Luka complains too much, he falls asleep on D,but to blame him for the loss in the finals(in which he was playing hurt) is riddiculous .... they really are trying to convince everybody that they would have won the finals last year if they had AD?? No you wouldn't...you probably wouldn't even get to the finals...stop this nonsense....they are trying way too hard to manipulate people... i've never seen a team trying to humiliate a player like they're doing now, especially one that has done so much with such a limited roster for his first few years...and even last year Mavs weren't considered contenders, the same this year...they should have Just Said that they think this is what they think they were missing and should have thank Luka for everything and wish him good luck...who's gonna want to sign for a franchise that treats their Players like that? And what happens if they don't win the title this year,who are they gonna blame?? Embarrassing
BliscoSantos wrote:Wow, the Mavs PR is a disaster...Listen,yes Luka complains too much, he falls asleep on D,but to blame him for the loss in the finals(in which he was playing hurt) is riddiculous .... they really are trying to convince everybody that they would have won the finals last year if they had AD?? No you wouldn't...you probably wouldn't even get to the finals...stop this nonsense....they are trying way too hard to manipulate people... i've never seen a team trying to humiliate a player like they're doing now, especially one that has done so much with such a limited roster for his first few years...and even last year Mavs weren't considered contenders, the same this year...they should have Just Said that they think this is what they think they were missing and should have thank Luka for everything and wish him good luck...who's gonna want to sign for a franchise that treats their Players like that? And what happens if they don't win the title this year,who are they gonna blame?? Embarrassing
Just read all the nonsense this Josh guy is writing. It's clearly working on some people so they'll just probably stick with it
BliscoSantos wrote:Wow, the Mavs PR is a disaster...Listen,yes Luka complains too much, he falls asleep on D,but to blame him for the loss in the finals(in which he was playing hurt) is riddiculous .... they really are trying to convince everybody that they would have won the finals last year if they had AD?? No you wouldn't...you probably wouldn't even get to the finals...stop this nonsense....they are trying way too hard to manipulate people... i've never seen a team trying to humiliate a player like they're doing now, especially one that has done so much with such a limited roster for his first few years...and even last year Mavs weren't considered contenders, the same this year...they should have Just Said that they think this is what they think they were missing and should have thank Luka for everything and wish him good luck...who's gonna want to sign for a franchise that treats their Players like that? And what happens if they don't win the title this year,who are they gonna blame?? Embarrassing
Just read all the nonsense this Josh guy is writing. It's clearly working on some people so they'll just probably stick with it
I really hope he is paid for write those no sense posts...
joesha1698 wrote: Archx, I'm entitled to speak my mind just like you. As for Luka's defense, there are plenty of videos (on youtube made by plenty of people) with Luka pulling James Harden level of defensive effort. Blow bys, not getting back b/c of complaining, not being in the right position, and generally not giving the right amount of effort and attention to this side of the floor. He fouled out in the finals in a pivot game 3 because of his lack of defensive execution. As for stats, they tell some of the story but not all of it. I know what my eyes are seeing and how he impacts the defensive end.
As for Ant - he's a good talent, talks a lot, very positive guy aside from that. Teammates like him. Isnt known as the greatest leader but I have never heard teammates say bad things about him. Zion - is in his own category. I wouldn't even compare him to Luka. And Ja probably deserves to be on the Washington Wizards. The reality is, they both play for small media markets that have a hard time retaining star players and that's probably the only reason they haven't been traded yet.
Final note: I keep saying this - this is the best thing to happened to Luka. He needs to take his body serious. People can't have it both ways. You can't say well he was playing banged up in the finals and then make excuses when he does nothing the following year to take care of his body. He needs to work on his body more, recovery, and conditioning ala Lebron James. Whether this experience was fair to Luka or not - he needs to learn from this and get better in 3 areas:
1. Leadership - Stop complaining to refs. Stop sulking around teammates. Always compete on the defensive end...even if it means dropping 5-8ppg off your average. Your effort or defensive iq should never be questioned. Gotta inspire your teammates on both ends.
2.Conditioning - your off-season and in season regime should be top notch. Hopefully he learns from Lebron. You got all the money in the world and all the help one could need. There's no reason for a professional athlete should be missing games because of his conditioning.
3.Mindset- When you want to be the best people will look for any reason to poke at you. That's the reality. You cannot show weakness in the mind, body, or spirit. It's that simple. Luka needs to strengthen his body, humble himself, and become mentally tougher if he wants to reach his true potential.
Are you aware under Luka's leadership Mavs went to the WCF twice in 3 years with Finals included? Seriously, if your answer is YES then everything you said makes no sense. If you're not aware, then i understand why you just wrote all of that.
And again, for the 100th time. Mavs role players made FOUR 3pt shots in TWO GAMES vs Celtics, Luka alone made 9. And you're going to tell people Mavs lost the series because Luka dropped game 3? If other Mavs (Kyrie included), didn't **** the bed, game 3 would also probably go completely different. Also, Mavs played best defense vs Celtics out of any team and lost because Luka was the only guy doing anything on offense.
I never said Luka wasn't a good player. He needs to improve his leadership is what I said. Luka didn't take those teams to the WCF by himself. He had Jalen and Kyrie and a big trade that brought in PJ and Gafford or we do not make it to the WCF or finals again. I know we had subpar role players on the offensive end. Kyrie played better than Luka in game 3 so not sure what you mean by crap the bed. Plus, I already explained that Luka's style of play isnt good for Kyrie because it slows the game down in the half court where your 6'2.5 inch guard is expecting to operate in less space. Kyrie wasn't playing to his strong suit with Luka. He was deferring to Luka's style and making it work. He doesn't have the size or youth anymore to be as effective when he's expected to take turns scoring like Luka who has the size at 6'6 to score easier in the half court. I talked about that last year...Kyrie should be moving off the ball against good defensive teams (ala Rip Hamilton, jason terry, allen iverson) at this point in his career. Their constantly putting their best perimeter defender on him and you have a 6'2.5 guy vs 6'7 or 6'8 guy. That's not a fair matchup no matter how good Kyrie is 1on1. He needs to move w/o the ball and get some easy ones before just using his 1on1 ability.
Mavs didn't lose because Luka was the only guy doing anything on offense. They lost because Boston had the defenders to switch everything on Luka and turn him into a one on one scorer. Luka had 1 assist in game 1 of the finals. They basically counter his ball dominant style of play, harassed him up the court every play, and limited him to one shot. It didnt help that our role players were inconsistent from 3. But we built our bed with this style of play until we ran into a team that could counter it. The reality is, we lived by Luka and died by Luka. When Luka is playing lesser talented defenses - he's able to manipulate and get open 3s for his teammates and easy lobs. He wasn't able to do that versus Boston and his averages in the finals (if i remember correctly ) were pretty close to his reg season avgs. He shot like 25% from the 3. So, the reality is Luka did what he normally does. He didnt raise his game to another level. Boston just exposed his style of play and how un-prepared eveyrone around Luka is when you force him to play one on one and he's not spoon-feeding them. Luka didnt have 1 commanding game the whole series where he was clearly the best player on the floor. That's without even touching on the defensive end where they treated him like a traffic cone at times.
As for Kyrie - he had two good games in the Finals 3 and 4. If Luka doesnt foul out, they may win game 3 and go back to Boston 2-2. Game 5 (if were being honest was a wash but still a bad game by Kyrie) but I'll give Kyrie a little grace because he's 6'2.5 inches tall and is 7 years older than Luka and is being asked to score at a similar efficient rate in the half court versus one of the best defensive teams 1-5 in the last couple of years. And J.Kidd made no attempt to play Kyrie off the ball (which would have helped him and the whole offense..including Luka). So, did Kyrie had 3 bad games, yes. However, playing to Luka's strengths and coaching did him no favors. I hope Kidd has learned his lesson if they make it back and see Boston again or any very talented defensive club. Kyrie has to pick his spots in the open court, be on the move in the half court, and attack defenders his size when he's being guarded by someone of similar height.
You wrote so much stuff i could sit here 3h just responding to everything. All i'm going to say is this.
ALL TIME Kyrie Irving WITH MAVS and WITHOUT Luka
26.2 points, 5.5 assists and 5.0 rebounds on 45% FG and 36% 3pt% +64 average +1.9 +/-
ALL TIME Kyrie Irving WITH MAVS and WITH Luka
25.0 points, 5.0 assists and 4.8 rebounds on 51% FG and 42.5% 3pt% +453 average +5.1 +/-
You always say you only trust your eyes and don't care about stats and i repeatedly refute your claims by actually proving it how wrong you are. Well there you go. Already first claim how Kyrie works best without Luka, NO he clearly doesn't. And if your eyes are so special, figure it out yourself or read what Bob8 already told you 1000x times.
And Luka took pre-NYK Brunson and Dinwiddie as his 3rd best guy with Maxi and Powell in center rotation to WCF as an underdog in each series. If Mavs had a capable center back then they would also beat GSW.
Also, how can Luka have more than 1 assists if team shot 25% from 3. They made 7 3's 4 were made by Luka Best assist guy was Kyrie with 2. Bwoah, huge improvement.
2nd Game. They were close but again, same problem. Luka made 4 3's rest of the team 2. They shot even worse 23%. Luka had 11 assists !!!
It was in an article, Mavs shot 32 out of 53 3pt shots that were either open or wide open. Most of them generated by Luka to the wings. Same tactic they beat Wolves and OKC with. There is literally no better shot in the NBA other than a freaking open layup !!!!
PLEASE STOP WITH THE NONSENSE posts. You're not funny anymore and i'm an idiot for even responding to your crap.
Seems an odd time to suddenly pretend to have "Heat Culture"
To talk about work ethics or whatever and being healthy and in shape then AD injuries himself not even 3 Q's in and is now out vs Kings. Obviously we never wish injuries to anyone but this is like the universe is saying "Hey Patrick, here is karma bitch".
Seems an odd time to suddenly pretend to have "Heat Culture"
To talk about work ethics or whatever and being healthy and in shape then AD injuries himself not even 3 Q's in and is now out vs Kings. Obviously we never wish injuries to anyone but this is like the universe is saying "Hey Patrick, here is karma bitch".
Luckily, it doesn't seem too bad of an injury but yeah, it's not a great look. The thing is, you could be the hardest worker in the room with the best conditioning etc but some players are just a bit more injury prone.
Christie has looked pretty damn good so far so that's a bonus.
lilfishi22 wrote:Seems an odd time to suddenly pretend to have "Heat Culture"
To talk about work ethics or whatever and being healthy and in shape then AD injuries himself not even 3 Q's in and is now out vs Kings. Obviously we never wish injuries to anyone but this is like the universe is saying "Hey Patrick, here is karma bitch".
Luckily, it doesn't seem too bad of an injury but yeah, it's not a great look. The thing is, you could be the hardest worker in the room with the best conditioning etc but some players are just a bit more injury prone.
Christie has looked pretty damn good so far so that's a bonus.
AD was just ruled out multiple weeks ... ouch. Mavs will have a tough battle to even stay in Play ins.
Yeah, Christie is amazing. That was a winner pickup.
Does the Mavs organization not have a PR group? Nico and Dumont constantly talking smack about their franchise player is making them look like pricks at this point. Kudos to Luka for so far taking the high road but these 2 guys on the other hand are gonna make it hard for future players to want to work for them. They need to stfu at this point. Sorry for my language.
Archx wrote: To talk about work ethics or whatever and being healthy and in shape then AD injuries himself not even 3 Q's in and is now out vs Kings. Obviously we never wish injuries to anyone but this is like the universe is saying "Hey Patrick, here is karma bitch".
Luckily, it doesn't seem too bad of an injury but yeah, it's not a great look. The thing is, you could be the hardest worker in the room with the best conditioning etc but some players are just a bit more injury prone.
Christie has looked pretty damn good so far so that's a bonus.
AD was just ruled out multiple weeks ... ouch. Mavs will have a tough battle to even stay in Play ins.
Yeah, Christie is amazing. That was a winner pickup.
Yeah not great news
My good mate who's a die hard Mavs fan is already relabelling it the Max Christie trade. Maybe for cope but Christie has been legitimately good.
This ownership really keeps topping themselves. Mavs fans need to stop going to the games. Hit them the only place it hurts. Let them tank the value of the Mavericks so they can panic sell to somebody who will bring back the culture we all bought into. Hell, maybe Cuban will buy back his shares. If they move the team, fine. It's better than this crap.
boogiezen wrote:After another smear campaign today and the new AD news, the irony. I hope Nico and the owners can burn to hell.
lol, yall something else.
Screw them, man. The ownership especially. They use their money with selfish, evil intentions that go far beyond basketball. Nico is just their puppet. He sold out and can get F'd too.
Baz wrote:This ownership really keeps topping themselves. Mavs fans need to stop going to the games. Hit them the only place it hurts. Let them tank the value of the Mavericks so they can panic sell to somebody who will bring back the culture we all bought into. Hell, maybe Cuban will buy back his shares. If they move the team, fine. It's better than this crap.
This.
Hurt them on the wallet is nearly impossible (because the BRI) but let the AAC empty and embarass them in front of the entire world.
boogiezen wrote:After another smear campaign today and the new AD news, the irony. I hope Nico and the owners can burn to hell.
lol, yall something else.
Screw them, man. The ownership especially. They use their money with selfish, evil intentions that go far beyond basketball. Nico is just their puppet. He sold out and can get F'd too.
Baz wrote:This ownership really keeps topping themselves. Mavs fans need to stop going to the games. Hit them the only place it hurts. Let them tank the value of the Mavericks so they can panic sell to somebody who will bring back the culture we all bought into. Hell, maybe Cuban will buy back his shares. If they move the team, fine. It's better than this crap.
This.
Hurt them on the wallet is nearly impossible (because the BRI) but let the AAC empty and embarass them in front of the entire world.
Karma will take care of them all. Trust me.
I so wish the local fans would abandon the team until the owners leave. When is enough enough!?
Baz wrote:This ownership really keeps topping themselves. Mavs fans need to stop going to the games. Hit them the only place it hurts. Let them tank the value of the Mavericks so they can panic sell to somebody who will bring back the culture we all bought into. Hell, maybe Cuban will buy back his shares. If they move the team, fine. It's better than this crap.
This.
Hurt them on the wallet is nearly impossible (because the BRI) but let the AAC empty and embarass them in front of the entire world.
Karma will take care of them all. Trust me.
I so wish the local fans would abandon the team until the owners leave. When is enough enough!?
I wanted to quit as well but I can't. I think I have stockholm syndrome. Mavs are my team. They can do whatever they want to me and I just can't quit. This us unhealthy.
.... they really are trying to convince everybody that they would have won the finals last year if they had AD?? No you wouldn't...you probably wouldn't even get to the finals...stop this nonsense....they are trying way too hard to manipulate people... i've never seen a team trying to humiliate a player like they're doing now, especially one that has done so much with such a limited roster for his first few years...and even last year Mavs weren't considered contenders, the same this year...they should have Just Said that they think this is what they think they were missing and should have thank Luka for everything and wish him good luck...who's gonna want to sign for a franchise that treats their Players like that? And what happens if they don't win the title this year,who are they gonna blame?? Embarrassing 
Best assist guy was Kyrie with 2. Bwoah, huge improvement.
