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Post#81 » by yb90 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:40 am

Daver wrote:
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LUKE23 wrote:I go:

Dame
GTJ
Kuzma
GA
Lopez

When healthy. GTJ’s shot is back and I feel like his on ball d/effort is really damn solid.


Green would start over GTJ for his defense. Green's just the better overall player.



Just as you thought ajax was so special n trent was just a replacement player.
Green isnt close to being a better overall player thsn trent n his D isnt that much if at all better than trents

I don't mind either way. The minutes for each player will likely stay the same. AJAX is 8th and 9th in total minutes and avg minutes played. All the guards have flaws but Trent Jr or Green needs to start once Giannis comes back. Let one of them spread the floor and play Kuzma un the Ajax roll on offense.

I do want to see Ajax with Giannis and Kuzma just to see how their size and length does collectively on defense.
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Post#82 » by drone3 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:00 am

yb90 wrote:
Daver wrote:
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Green would start over GTJ for his defense. Green's just the better overall player.



Just as you thought ajax was so special n trent was just a replacement player.
Green isnt close to being a better overall player thsn trent n his D isnt that much if at all better than trents

I don't mind either way. The minutes for each player will likely stay the same. AJAX is 8th and 9th in total minutes and avg minutes played. All the guards have flaws but Trent Jr or Green needs to start once Giannis comes back. Let one of them spread the floor and play Kuzma un the Ajax roll on offense.

I do want to see Ajax with Giannis and Kuzma just to see how their size and length does collectively on defense.
Greens D is definitely better than GTJ. The better defensive player should be starting. KPJ may be a better defender than either but we need him running the second unit.
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Post#83 » by Packbuckman » Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:20 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:I go:

Dame
GTJ
Kuzma
GA
Lopez

When healthy. GTJ’s shot is back and I feel like his on ball d/effort is really damn solid.


Green would start over GTJ for his defense. Green's just the better overall player.

Ya I disagree Trent is the better player they both shoot the 3 good but his driving ability is just superior to green and his D has been good. But both would be getting minutes and down the stretch I am playing who’s hitting their shots and playing better that day.
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Post#84 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:05 am

Daver wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:I go:

Dame
GTJ
Kuzma
GA
Lopez

When healthy. GTJ’s shot is back and I feel like his on ball d/effort is really damn solid.


Green would start over GTJ for his defense. Green's just the better overall player.



Just as you thought ajax was so special n trent was just a replacement player.
Green isnt close to being a better overall player than Trent n his D isnt that much if at all better than trents


When I say he's replacement level player, that's a stat, that's not my opinion.

Green defensively is better at keeping the dribble in front of him, and shooters shoot worse versus him.

Trent also averages less than 2 assists/36, which is rare for a guard. He just doesn't get enough done.
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Post#85 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:11 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:When I say he's replacement level player, that's a stat, that's not my opinion.

That stat has GTJ and AJ Green rated exactly the same.
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Post#86 » by RW23 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:13 am

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blazza18 wrote:Doc is absolutely going to run Dame into the ground with Giannis out for a few weeks.


Yep, they learned nothing from last year


Doc said in exit interviews, when Nehm asked him if the could've done anything to be healthier, "nah, injuries are just a part of the game, and you deal with it"

I really don't understand what kind of bias you must have to:

a) Not believe that playing more increases injury risk
b) Care enough about the regular season to take on that risk
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Post#87 » by emunney » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:18 am

The thing about injuries is that while we can say that overuse/fatigue makes injury more likely in a general sense, and that, logically, you're more likely to get injured while playing if you're playing more, we can't say that playing Giannis more caused his injury. His belief is wrong but it would also be wrong to change that belief based on one injury. He should change it, unrelatedly, due to the assembled evidence.
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Post#88 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:19 am

Cool to see Portis play 30 minutes with Brook going for just 24. Portis closed, and he earned it. The offensive rebounds were huge, and he had 5 assists. That doesn't include his best pass, because Dairy Bird couldn't convert the reverse layup. Portis passing is easily the best of his career.
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Post#89 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:24 am

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Profound23 wrote:
blazza18 wrote:Doc is absolutely going to run Dame into the ground with Giannis out for a few weeks.


Yep, they learned nothing from last year


Doc said in exit interviews, when Nehm asked him if the could've done anything to be healthier, "nah, injuries are just a part of the game, and you deal with it"

I really don't understand what kind of bias you must have to:

a) Not believe that playing more increases injury risk
b) Care enough about the regular season to take on that risk



Doc isn't an actual doctor, he just knows what Brian Flanigan tells him.
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Post#90 » by Profound23 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:30 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
RW23 wrote:
Profound23 wrote:
Yep, they learned nothing from last year


Doc said in exit interviews, when Nehm asked him if the could've done anything to be healthier, "nah, injuries are just a part of the game, and you deal with it"

I really don't understand what kind of bias you must have to:

a) Not believe that playing more increases injury risk
b) Care enough about the regular season to take on that risk



Doc isn't an actual doctor, he just knows what Brian Flanigan tells him.


To be fair he is in a tough spot...sit Dame a couple of games while Giannis is out...end up missing the playoffs by a game or two and that's on him.

It's easier to say as a fan, but if we can't make the playoffs with them sitting out some games then it don't matter because we will be first round exit anyways. I don't want to run these two into the ground in order to make the playoffs just to have them be injured during the playoffs.
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Post#91 » by RW23 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:31 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
RW23 wrote:
Profound23 wrote:
Yep, they learned nothing from last year


Doc said in exit interviews, when Nehm asked him if the could've done anything to be healthier, "nah, injuries are just a part of the game, and you deal with it"

I really don't understand what kind of bias you must have to:

a) Not believe that playing more increases injury risk
b) Care enough about the regular season to take on that risk



Doc isn't an actual doctor, he just knows what Brian Flanigan tells him.


This stance is beyond removed from reality.

When a medical staff says 'no minutes limit', that doesn't mean 'this dude can play 48 minutes'. It means nothing is currently plaguing the player enough to limit him.

Playing your heavy use stars 36 minutes or less is a preventative measure. It has nothing to do with the medical team, who diagnose. It has to do with analytics (and common sense) that says 'less load = less risk'
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Post#92 » by Perishable517 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:32 am

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He still has great insights but he was rambling on a bit today
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Post#93 » by RW23 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:34 am

emunney wrote:The thing about injuries is that while we can say that overuse/fatigue makes injury more likely in a general sense, and that, logically, you're more likely to get injured while playing if you're playing more, we can't say that playing Giannis more caused his injury. His belief is wrong but it would also be wrong to change that belief based on one injury. He should change it, unrelatedly, due to the assembled evidence.


Risk of non-contact injuries is a quotient of player conditioning divided by load.

We all know Giannis has no problem with the former.

Hard to believe there's any possible doubt that Giannis's injury last year was greatly influenced by load, especially his load in the weeks leading up to it.
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Post#94 » by stillgotgame » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:41 am

RW23 wrote:
emunney wrote:The thing about injuries is that while we can say that overuse/fatigue makes injury more likely in a general sense, and that, logically, you're more likely to get injured while playing if you're playing more, we can't say that playing Giannis more caused his injury. His belief is wrong but it would also be wrong to change that belief based on one injury. He should change it, unrelatedly, due to the assembled evidence.


Risk of non-contact injuries is a quotient of player conditioning divided by load.

We all know Giannis has no problem with the former.

Hard to believe there's any possible doubt that Giannis's injury last year was greatly influenced by load, especially his load in the weeks leading up to it.


I don’t know what’s more unbelievable: Doc not understanding this or someone on this board doubling down and defending him.

More time on the court causes more pounding on Giannis’ lower body which will cause more lower body injuries. Human body wasn’t designed to do this. There’s a threshold. Go over it and it will break down. Giannis is big and strong in his upper body but he can’t train his lower body ligaments to be any stronger. It’s simply not possible.
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Post#95 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:16 am

We may be a little fraud-ish, but at least we're not the Sixers. Pretty big deal if Doc's actually realized that closing with Kuz at the 4 is the way to go.
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Post#96 » by German Athens » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:24 am

I really think things are going to open up when teams try to trap dame at half court and the ball goes to KPJ rather than prince.

Prince tries his best, and sometimes he’ll get all the way to rim, but more often than not the advantage dies almost immediately.

KPJ who is hard enough to stay in front of when you’re already in proper position should feast off a rotating defense with a man advantage. Get down hill fast and the defense will be hurting.
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Post#97 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:47 am

Ron Swanson wrote:We may be a little fraud-ish, but at least we're not the Sixers. Pretty big deal if Doc's actually realized that closing with Kuz at the 4 is the way to go.


The Sixers mess is beyond comprehension
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Post#98 » by emunney » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:48 am

stillgotgame wrote:
RW23 wrote:
emunney wrote:The thing about injuries is that while we can say that overuse/fatigue makes injury more likely in a general sense, and that, logically, you're more likely to get injured while playing if you're playing more, we can't say that playing Giannis more caused his injury. His belief is wrong but it would also be wrong to change that belief based on one injury. He should change it, unrelatedly, due to the assembled evidence.


Risk of non-contact injuries is a quotient of player conditioning divided by load.

We all know Giannis has no problem with the former.

Hard to believe there's any possible doubt that Giannis's injury last year was greatly influenced by load, especially his load in the weeks leading up to it.


I don’t know what’s more unbelievable: Doc not understanding this or someone on this board doubling down and defending him.

More time on the court causes more pounding on Giannis’ lower body which will cause more lower body injuries. Human body wasn’t designed to do this. There’s a threshold. Go over it and it will break down. Giannis is big and strong in his upper body but he can’t train his lower body ligaments to be any stronger. It’s simply not possible.


In case it was unclear when I said "his belief is wrong", what I mean by that is that his belief is wrong.
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Post#99 » by emunney » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:49 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:We may be a little fraud-ish, but at least we're not the Sixers. Pretty big deal if Doc's actually realized that closing with Kuz at the 4 is the way to go.


The Sixers mess is beyond comprehension


Yes, it's like if Giannis had Middleton problems, but worse. And then on top of it they signed John Salmons to a max deal.
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Post#100 » by emunney » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:52 am

RW23 wrote:
emunney wrote:The thing about injuries is that while we can say that overuse/fatigue makes injury more likely in a general sense, and that, logically, you're more likely to get injured while playing if you're playing more, we can't say that playing Giannis more caused his injury. His belief is wrong but it would also be wrong to change that belief based on one injury. He should change it, unrelatedly, due to the assembled evidence.


Risk of non-contact injuries is a quotient of player conditioning divided by load.

We all know Giannis has no problem with the former.

Hard to believe there's any possible doubt that Giannis's injury last year was greatly influenced by load, especially his load in the weeks leading up to it.


Let's not get pedantic. I think we all know that if a player has a conditioning of five and a load of five, they have a risk of 1.
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