Dane Moore reporting indications are that Taylor lost arbitration

[fattymcgee]

Glen hired the the people to make those decisions! Yes all those things are on Glen. What are we doing here?

No GM bats 100%, And he hired the people who did the good things too.
Flip and McHale found KG and turned us into a winner.
But McHale also made a bunch of poor decisions and the Joe Smith thing happened partly because McHale had a really poor grasp of the business/CBA side of being a GM.
He re-hired Flip who picked Towns when that wasnt a 100% slam dunk, but also picked Shabazz and Dieng over Giannis and Gobert.
He hired Rosas who picked Edwards when that pick was a tossup among 3 players and picked McDaniels in the late 1st.
Rosas also had an inexcusable boner for DeAngelo Russell and made that dumb trade.

Glen got talked into David Kahn, the one guy who was demonstrably awful, by Commisioner David Stern, and then Kahn hired Rambis. People like to forget that.
Every single year 2nd round picks get bought and sold at the draft.
That's not unique to us or that particular year, although those multiple trade downs were particularly weird.
Arod and Lore's handpicked guy TC did the exact same thing with a high 2nd rounder just last summer.

Is it Glen's fault we ended up with Christian Laettner instead of Shaq or Alonzo Mourning?
Is it his fault it took us 25 YEARS before we actually improved our draft position in the draft lottery?

Arod and Lore handpicked TC, who has promptly mortgaged the future 7 years out with their tacit approval, which looks like a preview to how they are going to run the franchise if they get control.

Nothing can wreck a franchise faster than impatience from new ownership and ownership meddling in drafting and trading.
Just look at what the Ishbias have done to Phoenix.
They're going to have to trade Durant for 25 cents on the dollar this summer and they somehow owe more picks and swaps than we do.

You must be Glen's nephew or something. I'll be partying when he's gone. He's hired ONE, yes ONE good GM in 30 years! And they had to fire that guy due to inapproprate relations. This franchise had been a dumpster fire and a laughing stock of the NBA. Glen hired the GM's who hired the coaches and also approves all hires. He is responsible for all of it. They managed to waste most of KG's career. Don't forget all the 1st round picks taken from us to due Glen's idiocy. He hired the worst GM of all time and it's hilarious you are blaming Stern for that. He also forced Rosas to hire Young Saunders who was a horrendous coach.
And that is just a snipet of all the terrible things that happened to this franchise under his ownership.

[BlacJacMac]

The problem with all of those IS the future. Taylor is 83 (and an old 83...) and I don't believe Becky or his kids have any interest in the club.

When Glen passes, its hard to not see the club being sold to the highest bidder.

This is exactly right.

And I will take that reset 100% over the Lore/ARod/Bloomberg clown show.
In Fact this is the outcome I much prefer.

Even if it’s to someone with no interest in keeping the team in MN?

[guest81]

Glen has never tried to move the team.
Glen has never tried to shake down the taxpayers for a new arena with the threat of moving the team.
Glen has never not been able to make payroll.
Glen has always had 80%+ control of the team and has never had to rely on minority owners for financing.
Glen has always spent enough money relative to our market size.

Be very careful what you wish for.
Grass is not always greener.
That's all I'm trying to say.

Also HE HAD THE WORST RECORD OF ANY SPORTS TEAM IN PROFESIONAL SPORTS!

What are you even talking about? You shouldn't just make up things that can be looked up...

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/worst-nba-record-last-30-years

They got out of it once Glen stepped aside. Go look up the record when it was just Glen

https://www.axios.com/2021/03/03/minnesota-timberwolves-worst-franchise-sports

[guest81]

We should be careful what we wish for. Lore and AFraud aren't exactly stacked with liquid assets compared to other ownership in the NBA.

If Bloomberg ends up as the majority Owner, that will at least alleviate any financial concerns. After enduring 60+ years of Calvin Griffith and the Pohlad for the Twins, the last thing we need is a cost-cutter signing checks from a fan's perspective.

Now what becomes of Connelly?

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At the end of the day, I will take the "unknown" every single time over Glen Taylor. We KNOW what Taylor brings and all his antics. It led to the Wolves being the worst pro sports team out of all the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL. He's god awful.

AROD/Lore could 100% end up the same but at least there's a chance they wont be.

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially worse. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

Glen signed Joe Smith under the table, he didn't want to give Kevin love the full max and threw him under the bus, and he also made rosas he ryan saunders. And thats just off the top of my head.

Is really the only thing Taylor defenders have is that a billionaire is willing to spend a fraction of his wealth? He has no other responsibility in running a business?

[Slim Tubby]

At the end of the day, I will take the "unknown" every single time over Glen Taylor. We KNOW what Taylor brings and all his antics. It led to the Wolves being the worst pro sports team out of all the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL. He's god awful.

AROD/Lore could 100% end up the same but at least there's a chance they wont be.

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially worse. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

Glen signed Joe Smith under the table, he didn't want to give Kevin love the full max and threw him under the bus, and he also made rosas he ryan saunders. And thats just off the top of my head.

Is really the only thing Taylor defenders have is that a billionaire is willing to spend a fraction of his wealth? He has no other responsibility in running a business?

Wolves fans don't need to be apologetic on Taylor's behalf to have serious concerns about the funding, integrity and competence of a Lore/ARod ownership group.

Dallas Maverick fans would like a word with you about Miriam Adelson...

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[winforlose]

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially worse. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

Glen signed Joe Smith under the table, he didn't want to give Kevin love the full max and threw him under the bus, and he also made rosas he ryan saunders. And thats just off the top of my head.

Is really the only thing Taylor defenders have is that a billionaire is willing to spend a fraction of his wealth? He has no other responsibility in running a business?

Wolves fans don't need to be apologetic on Taylor's behalf to have serious concerns about the funding, integrity and competence of a Lore/ARod ownership group.

Dallas Maverick fans would like a word with you about Miriam Adelson...

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Exactly. I hate Glen, but I fear Arod/Lore. Both sides have huge potential for negative and it feels far more likely they will destroy the team than improve it. I cannot tell you how disgusted I felt when I heard we tried to trade for KD. That is the worst possible mistake, and we almost made it. Give TC time he will destroy the core and burn the ashes to dust.

[thinktank]

I expect crow eating from all the glen apologists out there who believed a word that came out of his mouth. Good riddance

We should be careful what we wish for. Lore and AFraud aren't exactly stacked with liquid assets compared to other ownership in the NBA.

If Bloomberg ends up as the majority Owner, that will at least alleviate any financial concerns. After enduring 60+ years of Calvin Griffith and the Pohlad for the Twins, the last thing we need is a cost-cutter signing checks from a fan's perspective.

Now what becomes of Connelly?

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I mean if lore and arod win it says that Glen was full of crap with his story of them not having the money.

I also think if Glen stayed then connley is gone. Opposite of lore wins

Not surprised folks still don’t get it.

[thinktank]

Glen signed Joe Smith under the table, he didn't want to give Kevin love the full max and threw him under the bus, and he also made rosas he ryan saunders. And thats just off the top of my head.

Is really the only thing Taylor defenders have is that a billionaire is willing to spend a fraction of his wealth? He has no other responsibility in running a business?

Wolves fans don't need to be apologetic on Taylor's behalf to have serious concerns about the funding, integrity and competence of a Lore/ARod ownership group.

Dallas Maverick fans would like a word with you about Miriam Adelson...

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Exactly. I hate Glen, but I fear Arod/Lore. Both sides have huge potential for negative and it feels far more likely they will destroy the team than improve it. I cannot tell you how disgusted I felt when I heard we tried to trade for KD. That is the worst possible mistake, and we almost made it. Give TC time he will destroy the core and burn the ashes to dust.

You two should both be thanking Lore and ARod for convincing Taylor to bring Connelly onboard.

[winforlose]

Wolves fans don't need to be apologetic on Taylor's behalf to have serious concerns about the funding, integrity and competence of a Lore/ARod ownership group.

Dallas Maverick fans would like a word with you about Miriam Adelson...

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Exactly. I hate Glen, but I fear Arod/Lore. Both sides have huge potential for negative and it feels far more likely they will destroy the team than improve it. I cannot tell you how disgusted I felt when I heard we tried to trade for KD. That is the worst possible mistake, and we almost made it. Give TC time he will destroy the core and burn the ashes to dust.

You two should both be thanking Lore and ARod for convincing Taylor to bring Connelly onboard.

I hope that is a joke. If I could rewind and undo that hire I would. The Gobert trade me so happy, but only when paired with KAT. I am a huge fan of big ball and twin towers. When we dumped KAT for scraps that was a massive blow to this franchise. All the player talent currently leading us was acquired by Rosas. The Conley trade backed us into a corner that forced the Dilly trade, and he is years away from being viable. NAW looks like he might be on the way out, and TC bringing in Randle could very well cost us Naz. Every move that TC has made has brought with it a hint of calamity. Including the signings of Garza, Jingles, and PJ. The final straw is trying to dump MCD and more for KD. We could have just traded Karl for him and tossed in the pick package we gave up for Dilly. But no, TC has to sabotage us just a little bit more deeply before he realizes he has been an abject failure in his time here. One good season is nice, we had Karl, Ant, Naz, Jaden, and a full boat of our own picks. We could be in the same place now that we were last year without our future gutted and KAT in NYK.

[shrink]

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially worse. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

We do not know this.

To this very day, we do not know who made the call to trade Towns. Was it Taylor saying I want out of the second apron? Or was it Connelly planning for a future centered solely around Edwards?

Well, instead of your imagination and conspiracy theories, let’s use actual, public evidence.

Do you remember that Taylor specifically said he didn’t like the Gobert trade and thought we paid too much? Even on a trade he didn’t like, did he over-ride Connelly? I bet Connelly remembers.

I can only think of one instance in his entire time as an owner where we have evidence that he put his finger on the scale. That’s when he said to keep Naz. Can you bring yourself to thank Glen for that, whenever Naz makes a big play?

[shrink]

At the end of the day, I will take the "unknown" every single time over Glen Taylor. We KNOW what Taylor brings and all his antics. It led to the Wolves being the worst pro sports team out of all the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL. He's god awful.

AROD/Lore could 100% end up the same but at least there's a chance they wont be.

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially [u]worse[/u]. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

Have you forgotten this teams history?

We've been by far the biggest laughingstock of a franchise out of the 4 major pro sports teams throughout our history!

That is a direct result of Glen Taylor and all of his decisions.

We KNOW long term it's going to be more of the same with Taylor. So what if AROD/Lore fail and end up worse? Our "status" as a franchise will go from being the biggest pro sports embarrassment to...continuing to be the biggest pro sports embarrassment.

At least with AROD/Lore there is HOPE.

A large portion of this franchise suffers from Stockholm Syndrome. They've grown accustomed to Taylor's antics and cannot fathom that literally ANY other way might be better

Re-read my post, or read it for the first time.

You can’t have a dialogue if you ignore what other people say. Is there anything I said that you find incorrect?

[Slim Tubby]

Wolves fans don't need to be apologetic on Taylor's behalf to have serious concerns about the funding, integrity and competence of a Lore/ARod ownership group.

Dallas Maverick fans would like a word with you about Miriam Adelson...

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Exactly. I hate Glen, but I fear Arod/Lore. Both sides have huge potential for negative and it feels far more likely they will destroy the team than improve it. I cannot tell you how disgusted I felt when I heard we tried to trade for KD. That is the worst possible mistake, and we almost made it. Give TC time he will destroy the core and burn the ashes to dust.

You two should both be thanking Lore and ARod for convincing Taylor to bring Connelly onboard.

Your brain appears to be in dire need of some oxygen based on your interpretation of my ownership comments.

Your moniker is very misleading, too.

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[Slim Tubby]

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially [u]worse[/u]. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

Have you forgotten this teams history?

We've been by far the biggest laughingstock of a franchise out of the 4 major pro sports teams throughout our history!

That is a direct result of Glen Taylor and all of his decisions.

We KNOW long term it's going to be more of the same with Taylor. So what if AROD/Lore fail and end up worse? Our "status" as a franchise will go from being the biggest pro sports embarrassment to...continuing to be the biggest pro sports embarrassment.

At least with AROD/Lore there is HOPE.

A large portion of this franchise suffers from Stockholm Syndrome. They've grown accustomed to Taylor's antics and cannot fathom that literally ANY other way might be better

Re-read my post, or read it for the first time.

You can’t have a dialogue if you ignore what other people say. Is there anything I said that you find incorrect?

And 1 + 1,000

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[shrink]

I'd argue nobody is going to be a consistent 2nd apron team.

If Ballmer and the Clippers won't, it's not realistic to expect anyone else to.

And yet, we couldn't even try one year after making the Western Conference Finals for the second time in franchise history? It's not like I'm over here asking for four or fives years in a row...

You know Steve Ballmer ducked the LUX, right?

But Glen’s $100 mil in lux taxes isn’t enough, you want him to do what no owner has done - another year in the second apron.

Embarrassing entitlement.

[shrink]

The problem with all of those IS the future. Taylor is 83 (and an old 83...) and I don't believe Becky or his kids have any interest in the club.

When Glen passes, it’s hard to not see the club being sold to the highest bidder.

Not that hard to see, because in the real world, the widows in POR and NOP did not sell the teams to the highest bidder.

POR is a smaller market, and NOP is a much smaller market.

[winforlose]

I'd argue nobody is going to be a consistent 2nd apron team.

If Ballmer and the Clippers won't, it's not realistic to expect anyone else to.

And yet, we couldn't even try one year after making the Western Conference Finals for the second time in franchise history? It's not like I'm over here asking for four or fives years in a row...

You know Steve Ballmer ducked the LUX, right?

But Glen’s $100 mil in lux taxes isn’t enough, you want him to do what no owner has done - another year in the second apron.

Embarrassing entitlement.

I hear you. At the same time I think you have to ask the question of who knew what when? My understanding of Glen is that he is well connected among NBA ownership and governors. Glen and the new group might not have known the exact effect of the 2nd apron, but I have to believe they knew it would be draconian regarding super tax teams, and that it would involve cap smoothing with the tv money. Why trade for Rudy if you are not prepared to be a super tax team? We knew Ant was getting a max, Jaden and Naz would both need money, we gave KAT his super max, and we did it all with an imperfect but not totally blind eye to the future. It is the responsibility of Glen or whoever is buying the team to build sustainably. Trading 4 years of firsts, an unprotected swap, and Kessler for a massive Rudy contract laid the table for either a massive tax bill or a dangerously short window. As it happens we got both. Now they want to make the same mistake again trading for KD. I don’t have a dog in the fight because I don’t like any of them.

[shrink]

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially worse. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

Glen signed Joe Smith under the table, he didn't want to give Kevin love the full max and threw him under the bus, and he also made rosas he ryan saunders. And thats just off the top of my head.

So you’re saying he OVERRODE his GM to sign Joe Smith, and OVERRODE his GM and forced him to not give the four year max to Love, and not save it for Rubio? The opposite is true. Perhaps he SHOULD have overrode his GMs in these cases, but he let basketball people make basketball decisions. As I already stated, we have evidence he didn’t override Connelly with Gobert, even when he didn’t like the trade.

Do you have evidence that Taylor OVERODE Rosas to hire Ryan Saunders? Maybe Glen felt loyalty to Flip’s memory, but Rosas certainly benefited by having a young coach he could boss around and make him play Rosas’ way, even when it was losing. And remember the circumstances. Towns was very close to the Saunders family, and he had just been blasted by Jimmy, while he towed the company line for the team, so he might have wanted to throw him a bone. Finally, when Saunders was fires, he let his GM handpick his coach (Finch), despite some in the media implying he was a racist for hiring a white coach.

Taylor has a long history of empowering his GM’s, and letting them make the basketball decisions. If anything, he does this too much, and gave his poor hires too long a leash. Still, it’s a good thing now that he isn’t doing the hiring anymore. And finally, letting GM’s do their jobs without interference is not common in the NBA. Zach LaVine is in SAC because Vivek always liked LaVine.

[Worm Guts]

I think Glen did actually take the blame for the Joe Smith deal, saying he was concerned with his health at the time and wanted to make sure his commitments were honored.

[shrink]

Wolves fans don't need to be apologetic on Taylor's behalf to have serious concerns about the funding, integrity and competence of a Lore/ARod ownership group.

Dallas Maverick fans would like a word with you about Miriam Adelson...

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Exactly. I hate Glen, but I fear Arod/Lore. Both sides have huge potential for negative and it feels far more likely they will destroy the team than improve it.

Maybe I’m missing it, but the only thing Taylor was doing before was hiring GM’s (poorly), and now he isn’t even doing that. Now he just ponies up the money when the GM wants something (or ARod and Lore want him to buy them a lavish owner’s suite). Where is the “huge potential for danger” from Glen anymore?

[shrink]

I think Glen did actually take the blame for the Joe Smith deal, saying he was concerned with his health at the time and wanted to make sure his commitments were honored.

My take is that the GM should know what is legal and illegal in the CBA, and that was McHale’s job. But Glen ultimately gets blame for hiring McHale.