Researching realistic Jrue Holiday Trades 2025 offseason

[brackdan70]

Holiday was a player who would decline once his athleticism went as a smaller wing defender. Once his quickness leaves the building (or body in this case) it's just hard for him to be effective on either side of the court.

Realistic ideas? I don't see any team wanting to commit to 3 years of Jrue Holiday at this stage.

I felt like that contract they gave him was ill advised. I think they'll have to pay someone to take that contract. He might have a positive effect on a team with a young point guard who needs a mentor but then there's 2 more seasons at a lot of money.

You are probably right. I think if it wasn’t for the repeater tax, it wouldn’t be terrible for the Cs.
It’s all about next year. If they bite the bullet, Porzingis comes of the books and it’s only one year of a huge tax bill.
Jrue won’t be living up to that contract probably but will still be a useful player I think.

[brackdan70]

sacramento? derozan and filler?

If there is no filler that would make sense for the Celtics under this scenario.
What would need to be added to make the value square.

[basketballwacko2]

Jrue's best destination is a young team that washes out of the Conf Semi-finals and wants him for both his on-court and off-court contributions, and won't mind going into the luxury tax for the privilege -- so we'll see by June

Not paying tax, but sounds like the Wizards, they'll have space and they'll have Middleton if he opts in. If not they'll have plenty of space, Holiday and a #1 or 2 to Washington for Space or Middleton.

At the Trade Deadline next year, I'd offer Middleton for Jrue + BOS 2026 FRP + BOS 2031 FRP. We're talking about taking on $65M in salary, that's gonna cost.

What I was thinking was this off season, if Middleton opts in. But it doesn't really help the Celtics Tax hit if they take him in a deal. I'd expect Midds to opt out, and get a 3 yr deal from a contender type team. Then the Wizards could just absorb Holiday into their space and get 2 #1's 2025 and 2031 or they could do it after the draft, and pick for the Wizards with the Boston pick then complete the trade after the draft and send the boston 2026 pick, for a top 55 protected 2nd.

Who does the Wiz have for a point guard? Also if it doesn't put them in the tax and they have no real chance to make the playoffs why not bring in a guy like Holiday and let him mentor your future pg?

[nate33]

Not paying tax, but sounds like the Wizards, they'll have space and they'll have Middleton if he opts in. If not they'll have plenty of space, Holiday and a #1 or 2 to Washington for Space or Middleton.

At the Trade Deadline next year, I'd offer Middleton for Jrue + BOS 2026 FRP + BOS 2031 FRP. We're talking about taking on $65M in salary, that's gonna cost.

What I was thinking was this off season, if Middleton opts in. But it doesn't really help the Celtics Tax hit if they take him in a deal. I'd expect Midds to opt out, and get a 3 yr deal from a contender type team. Then the Wizards could just absorb Holiday into their space and get 2 #1's 2025 and 2031 or they could do it after the draft, and pick for the Wizards with the Boston pick then complete the trade after the draft and send the boston 2026 pick, for a top 55 protected 2nd.

Who does the Wiz have for a point guard? Also if it doesn't put them in the tax and they have no real chance to make the playoffs why not bring in a guy like Holiday and let him mentor your future pg?

I seriously doubt Middleton is going to opt out of $34M next year. The dude is washed. If he opted out, I seriously doubt any team would pay him more than a 2-year deal at the MLE.

But yeah, sure. If Middleton did opt out and leave the Wizards with cap space, I'd happily absorb Jrue if the Celtics threw in 2 FRP's.

[basketballwacko2]

At the Trade Deadline next year, I'd offer Middleton for Jrue + BOS 2026 FRP + BOS 2031 FRP. We're talking about taking on $65M in salary, that's gonna cost.

What I was thinking was this off season, if Middleton opts in. But it doesn't really help the Celtics Tax hit if they take him in a deal. I'd expect Midds to opt out, and get a 3 yr deal from a contender type team. Then the Wizards could just absorb Holiday into their space and get 2 #1's 2025 and 2031 or they could do it after the draft, and pick for the Wizards with the Boston pick then complete the trade after the draft and send the boston 2026 pick, for a top 55 protected 2nd.

Who does the Wiz have for a point guard? Also if it doesn't put them in the tax and they have no real chance to make the playoffs why not bring in a guy like Holiday and let him mentor your future pg?

I seriously doubt Middleton is going to opt out of $34M next year. The dude is washed. If he opted out, I seriously doubt any team would pay him more than a 2-year deal at the MLE.

But yeah, sure. If Middleton did opt out and leave the Wizards with cap space, I'd happily absorb Jrue if the Celtics threw in 2 FRP's.

Well he's gonna be 34 in August so you may be right about that. He sticks around for his $34 million and maybe chases a ring after the 25-26 season.

[the_process]

Jrue to Sacto, DDR to 3rd team, third team stuff to Boston.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

He playing out his contract with the Celtics imo till they ready to pay to move him.

[wvlfhawk]

How about the Pistons? Maybe IStew for Jrue and 26 lotto protected first. Pretty sure thats legal in offseason w/ salary coming off Detroits books

Next year Pistons

Cade/Sasser
Jrue/Ivey
Ausar/Fontecchio
Tobias / Holland
Duren / ? FA Signing

For Pistons he is worth the extra $ to provide another vet presence especially one that fits well with Cade and Ivey. Thats a pretty lethal 3 guard rotation.

Im sure Boston would jump at the chance to grab a player like IStew on his contract. Have to give up a 26 first that will almost surely be in the mid to late 20s.

[LightTheBeam]

sacramento? derozan and filler?

If there is no filler that would make sense for the Celtics under this scenario.
What would need to be added to make the value square.

The problem is our owner won't pay the tax.

But id love for this to be a start for sac. Probably need to send jval + Carter to fill the pf spot, but it start to look like a real team. And if/when we miss the playoffs we can use our pick on another pf for depth

Sabonis/Isaac Jones
Trade Pf/Draft pf
Keegan/Laravia
Lavine/Keon
Holiday/monk

[9 and 20]

$32 mil, $35 mil, and 37 mil for ages 35, 36, and 37. If I'm running the Wiz, I'd ask for more than 2 late 20s draft picks to take all that on. Otherwise, better uses of cap space than this. They got a first rounder for taking on just one year of Marcus Smart, who is just as good a mentor but cost $20 mil for one year. The extra wins Jrue might be worth compared to Smart are basically meaningless to the Wiz.

[SA37]

Miami could be a team interested if Marcus Smart does not become available.

I really think Miami needs a pass-first, defense-oriented guard next to Herro, and there isn't anyone better than Jrue for this role. Prob the best Miami could do is a deal centered around D Robinson, who only has ~10M guaranteed on his deal for next year, or T Rozier, who is on the books for $26M next season, + J Jaquez.

That said, you'd probably need a 3rd team involved.

[brackdan70]

Miami could be a team interested if Marcus Smart does not become available.

I really think Miami needs a pass-first, defense-oriented guard next to Herro, and there isn't anyone better than Jrue for this role. Prob the best Miami could do is a deal centered around D Robinson, who only has ~10M guaranteed on his deal for next year, or T Rozier, who is on the books for $26M next season, + J Jaquez.

That said, you'd probably need a 3rd team involved.

I thought about Rozier, as his Salary is close enough but also enough savings to make sense. I think The Celtics probably wouldn’t be into Rozier round 2 though. A third team almost certainly needs to involved in any cost savings trade these days, I agree

[brackdan70]

How about the Pistons? Maybe IStew for Jrue and 26 lotto protected first. Pretty sure thats legal in offseason w/ salary coming off Detroits books

Next year Pistons

Cade/Sasser
Jrue/Ivey
Ausar/Fontecchio
Tobias / Holland
Duren / ? FA Signing

For Pistons he is worth the extra $ to provide another vet presence especially one that fits well with Cade and Ivey. Thats a pretty lethal 3 guard rotation.

Im sure Boston would jump at the chance to grab a player like IStew on his contract. Have to give up a 26 first that will almost surely be in the mid to late 20s.

Good one. That makes some sense for both teams.
26 is a really good draft, so that smarts a bit, but assuming this is the direction they go it probably has to happen.

[brackdan70]

He playing out his contract with the Celtics imo till they ready to pay to move him.

Yeah for sure. I think it is reasonable and likely that they will need to attach a first to move him in most situations.

[brackdan70]

What I was thinking was this off season, if Middleton opts in. But it doesn't really help the Celtics Tax hit if they take him in a deal. I'd expect Midds to opt out, and get a 3 yr deal from a contender type team. Then the Wizards could just absorb Holiday into their space and get 2 #1's 2025 and 2031 or they could do it after the draft, and pick for the Wizards with the Boston pick then complete the trade after the draft and send the boston 2026 pick, for a top 55 protected 2nd.

Who does the Wiz have for a point guard? Also if it doesn't put them in the tax and they have no real chance to make the playoffs why not bring in a guy like Holiday and let him mentor your future pg?

I seriously doubt Middleton is going to opt out of $34M next year. The dude is washed. If he opted out, I seriously doubt any team would pay him more than a 2-year deal at the MLE.

But yeah, sure. If Middleton did opt out and leave the Wizards with cap space, I'd happily absorb Jrue if the Celtics threw in 2 FRP's.

Well he's gonna be 34 in August so you may be right about that. He sticks around for his $34 million and maybe chases a ring after the 25-26 season.

The Celtics would need to save money in 25/26. Middleton costs more than Jrue for that year. Celtics can’t legally make the trade and it doesn’t help the financial situation.

[mhd]

What about using Smart instead of Middleton? Smart expires next year too and would fill the Jrue role.

[165bows]

Not with respect to Jrue specifically, but older stars on really expensive contracts is starting to feel like the mortgage-backed-security crisis.

I agree with you in general however Jrue's deal will look a lot like Cam Johnson money at that point, so not sure that it really qualifies as really expensive in this case.

[165bows]

Brad Stevens loves Jrue Holiday, I'll be very surprised if this happens in the summer.

[oldncreaky]

How about the Pistons? Maybe IStew for Jrue and 26 lotto protected first. Pretty sure thats legal in offseason w/ salary coming off Detroits books

Next year Pistons

Cade/Sasser
Jrue/Ivey
Ausar/Fontecchio
Tobias / Holland
Duren / ? FA Signing

For Pistons he is worth the extra $ to provide another vet presence especially one that fits well with Cade and Ivey. Thats a pretty lethal 3 guard rotation.

Im sure Boston would jump at the chance to grab a player like IStew on his contract. Have to give up a 26 first that will almost surely be in the mid to late 20s.

Good one. That makes some sense for both teams.
26 is a really good draft, so that smarts a bit, but assuming this is the direction they go it probably has to happen.

I can see a case for DET, but only if we make at least some noise in the PS, and he's clearly addressing our biggest need. There's a good chance that PF will be our most glaring hole, not something Jrue will address. Tobias Harris, a $22M expiring, would need to go out to keep our cap sheet from getting too clogged up.

[gswhoops]

I'm expecting neutral value at best on that contract, personally. Still a good player but that's a ton of money owed to someone of his age that was talking about potential retirement before he even got traded to the Celtics.

It has to be a flailing "contender" trying to stay afloat the next year or two.

Wait a minute, that's Golden State's music!

(I don't think we have the pieces to make an offer post-Jimmy, but we would otherwise fit the profile)