Mavericks ( Patrick Dumont) owner craps on Lukas work ethic

[-Luke-]

Shaq was fat every year by his own admission, Bird was drinking beer and smoking cigarettes at half time, Jordan was hungover during playoff games, Kobe quit during a playoff game.

This guy knows nothing.

At least he didn't mention Marvin "Bad News" Barnes as a prototype for work ethic and professionalism, although I doubt this brat has ever heard about any player that played before Kobe (he probably read about Bird ten minutes before the interview).

By the way, Mavs legend Dirk Nowitzki also talked about how he ate tons of McDonalds crap in the earlier parts of his career. Cuban should have traded him!

[knicksfan974]

Can't wait for all this talk to fire up Luka to get into best shape of his life and put up legendary statlines, when at the same time AD is injured and not playing.

[NO-KG-AI]

It’s more crazy because they chose to go all in on two guys who mentally check out for half the year or more sometimes

[Sothron]

Keep in mind this is the team has Kyrie on their team. Kyrie. The poster child for quitting on teams and being a complete lunatic.

I haven't rooted so hard for a former Mav since Kidd was traded out when Don Nelson came in and broke up the Triple J Ranch team.

[Lalouie]

nobody's listening
,,,like me - i'm just replying to the thread title cuz frankly i don't see the point of bothering. what is it, a video, a tweet, a statement or presser?? couldn't care less

[donemilio21]

It’s pretty obvious Luka never had a great work ethic. It’s just are you willing to put up with that because of his talent. Some don’t care, others want their leader to set an example for others.

That may be true, and I believe every player is tradeable for the right price. Dallas didn't even get close the right price for Luka.

[Tomazan]

Why people cannot accept that Lukas' big butt is one of his main weapons? He can bully almost every single guard with that butt in the paint.

I witnessed it with my own eyes when Slovenia was playing Lithuania for the ticket to Olympics and how he literally bullied Arnas Butkevičius (one of the better defending guards in Europe) with that butt scoring 2+1 multiple times.

Its the same as with Jokič, these dudes use additional weight as advantage.

Could he be in the better shape which would slightly help him? Yes.

Would that make him significantly better? No, I doubt that. He would gain some speed, athleticism (maybe?) but he would also lose some of his weapons as well.

It's not like he would get in great shape and would average 45/10/10.

P.S And I don't think that you become one of the best players in the entire planet earth without work ethic. Especially when you are not exceptionally genetically gifted (like Shaq, Wemby, Giannis etc.). It is just the way it is. He was skinnier last summer. Perhaps Luka feels best being a bit heavier and that's really it.

Listen, I am not a big fanboy of Luka, never was, but ****.ing on him and whing about his work ethic is ridiculous. He didn't become on the best players in the world by doing nothing since his childhood lol.

[jmo21]

1) trading Luka at all
2) deciding to only talk to 1 team
3) not even getting the full house of that teams assets
4) AD significantly older
5) AD more injury prone
6) in the season after getting to the finals
7) in the season after Luka got his 5th straight 1st team all-nba
8) in the season after Luka was 3rd in MVP voting, his highest ranking ever
9) in the season after Luka led the league in scoring (by 3 whole pts), 2nd in assists, 2nd in 3pters made
10) in the season after bringing in Klay, while nowhere near his peak, he was a much needed 3pt shooter
11) using Shaq as an example of work ethic

[BruttoNostra]

Talking about culture, but ... He didn't mention Dirk a single time !!!

This gives merit to a very specific theory that only a few Mavs fans pointed out. The new owners, who are known Trump supporters and donors, as well as Nico Harrison, who was involved with US basketball for his whole carreer, just couldn't stand to have a European guy as the face of the franchise. Especially not in Texas. ( As opposed to Mark Cuban who never had a problem with that.)

(+ now that Luka is gone Nico can claim that he built this team from scratch. Unless I am wrong Dwight Powell is the only remaining Mav that was not brought in by Nico.)


Btw. There is very interesting analysis of the whole statement on Mavs reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1ilesur/mavericks_governor_patrick_dumonts_first_public/

Europe has also been a lot more critical of Israel in committing genocide against Palestinians than USA. And the new Mavs owners are hard-core Zionisits. So it makes sense that they wouldn't want a European to be the face of franchise.

Dude, you have to stop bringing this to every thread.
And LOL about "Europe being a lot more critical of Israel". The whole Europe (which is, BTW, not a thing in this context, and, say, a French government being critical of Israel has nothing, I mean nothing to do with a chubby Slovenian man) reacted less harsh than a single Uni in Pennsylvania or California.

The world isn't as black and white.
Adelson family is garbage regardless of their nationality, and them ruining Mavs franchise borderline justifies Mavs fans becoming antisem1itic.
If you want to continue a healthy discussion with both sides ready to listen, feel free to DM me.

[blueberrysticky]

I’ve come to realize with Nico we are a farm team for the Lakers and Knicks. “Draft Luka and Brunson same draft? Okay 1 go west and 1 go east!” Feed the nba, pay the tax to Adam silver ~ Nico Harrison

[nomansland]

I actually miss Mark Cuban right now

How culpable is Cuban in all this? He did choose to sell the team to them. Or maybe he didn't have a choice? Maybe they made him an offer he couldn't refuse?

I guess you could say he's culpable for selling the team to a bunch of monsters who don't know anything about basketball.

But rumors are coming out that he urged Harrison not to go through with the trade. The trade itself is not on Cuban.

[-Luke-]

What I find most astonishing is that the Mavs ownership and front office somehow managed to make it even worse after the immediate outrage right when the trade happened.

First you have the mouthpiece MacMahon, talking about Luka like he's the reincarnation of Jabba the Hutt, when the same guy brought this team to the finals about 8 months earlier. Then you have that bizarre press conference were Harrison tries to laugh it away and tells a story how it all started as a joke between him and Pelinka, before leaving the room and leaving Kidd (who wasn't involved) alone with the press. Then we have reports leaking out that the original deal included the other first round pick and Dalton Knecht, before Pelinka somehow convinced Harrison that this is too much too give up. Now we have the billionaire owner, who is the billionaire owner because he married into a rich family, talking about work ethic and bringing up Shaq as a model for that. I hope Shaq didn't laugh himself to death when he read that story.

You just can't make this s**t up. I wonder what they'll come up with tomorrow. Maybe a story about Luka slaughtering baby seals at the Dallas Zoo?

[maverick_41]

This is so pathetic. Like the opposite to the Mark Cuban era.
I miss him, miss Dirk, miss Luka.

[MrGoat]

What I find most astonishing is that the Mavs ownership and front office somehow managed to make it even worse after the immediate outrage right when the trade happened.

First you have the mouthpiece MacMahon, talking about Luka like he's the reincarnation of Jabba the Hutt, when the same guy brought this team to the finals about 8 months earlier. Then you have that bizarre press conference were Harrison tries to laugh it away and tells a story how it all started as a joke between him and Pelinka, before leaving the room and leaving Kidd (who wasn't involved) alone with the press. Then we have reports leaking out that the original deal included the other first round pick and Dalton Knecht, before Pelinka somehow convinced Harrison that this is too much too give up. Now we have the billionaire owner, who is the billionaire owner because he married into a rich family, talking about work ethic and bringing up Shaq as a model for that. I hope Shaq didn't laugh himself to death when he read that story.

You just can't make this s**t up. I wonder what they'll come up with tomorrow. Maybe a story about Luka slaughtering baby seals at the Dallas Zoo?

It really does appear that they are intentionally burning the fanbase to the ground which makes me think the move to Vegas theory is true. Cuban did sell the team to the owners of Las Vegas Sands after all and the millions they have spent on trying to get gambling legalized in Texas have not had much effect, it was pretty shady of the league to even allow them to buy the team with such an obvious conflict of interest

If I could get Jason Kidd really drunk and Miriam Adelson was there I would tell him she is his ex wife and she just said he had a small wiener so he should go punch her in the face as hard as he can

[-Luke-]

What I find most astonishing is that the Mavs ownership and front office somehow managed to make it even worse after the immediate outrage right when the trade happened.

First you have the mouthpiece MacMahon, talking about Luka like he's the reincarnation of Jabba the Hutt, when the same guy brought this team to the finals about 8 months earlier. Then you have that bizarre press conference were Harrison tries to laugh it away and tells a story how it all started as a joke between him and Pelinka, before leaving the room and leaving Kidd (who wasn't involved) alone with the press. Then we have reports leaking out that the original deal included the other first round pick and Dalton Knecht, before Pelinka somehow convinced Harrison that this is too much too give up. Now we have the billionaire owner, who is the billionaire owner because he married into a rich family, talking about work ethic and bringing up Shaq as a model for that. I hope Shaq didn't laugh himself to death when he read that story.

You just can't make this s**t up. I wonder what they'll come up with tomorrow. Maybe a story about Luka slaughtering baby seals at the Dallas Zoo?

It really does appear that they are intentionally burning the fanbase to the ground which makes me think the move to Vegas theory is true. Cuban did sell the team to the owners of Las Vegas Sands after all and the millions they have spent on trying to get gambling legalized in Texas have not had much effect, it was pretty shady of the league to even allow them to buy the team with such an obvious conflict of interest

If I could get Jason Kidd really drunk and Miriam Adelson was there I would tell him she is his ex wife and she just said he had a small wiener so he should go punch her in the face as hard as he can

It's crazy that the family that made billions by fleecing degenerate gamblers is now publicly morally critizising a guy who likes to have a beer after work.

[FarBeyondDriven]

1) trading Luka at all

100% Luka and the league forced this

2) deciding to only talk to 1 team

Luka would only sign an extension with Lakers so had no choice

3) not even getting the full house of that teams assets

very little leverage

4) AD significantly older

true

5) AD more injury prone

true but there's concerns about Luka going forward as well

6) in the season after getting to the finals

they saw how far they were from winning with Luka as their best player and it's not like they had a choice since Luka let them know he was bolting if not outright asking for a trade behind the scenes

7) in the season after Luka got his 5th straight 1st team all-nba

in a league that doesn't gaf about defense

8) in the season after Luka was 3rd in MVP voting, his highest ranking ever

see above

9) in the season after Luka led the league in scoring (by 3 whole pts), 2nd in assists, 2nd in 3pters made

high usage stat padder

10) in the season after bringing in Klay, while nowhere near his peak, he was a much needed 3pt shooter

Klay can play off anyone

11) using Shaq as an example of work ethic

Luka's must be truly pathetic in comparison

what people fail to realize is Luka and the NBA wanted him in LA. Period. The Mavs were forced into this despite the soundbites Nico and owner are putting out. It's not like they can complain and admit collusion. They're essentially forced to save face as best they can without admitting their hands were forced since it's for the best of the league having Luka in LA.

[DeadlyTreeStump]

Some people seem to care more about the work ethic than about the results, whereas others don't care how much you sweat to achieve your goals, as long as you get there.

Luka has shown he's an elite player and I'd be surprised if he never won a title, especially now that he's with the Lakers. I personally don't care that he's not the most disciplined gym rat out there, as long as whatever he's doing is working. But hey, I know other people see it differently. I can understand that.

Nevertheless, the most puzzling question to me here here is not why Luka was traded, it's why didn't the Mavs ask for more assets. Dislike Luka's work ethic all you want, but at least get a fair price for him when you trade him away?

[boogiezen]

1) trading Luka at all

100% Luka and the league forced this

2) deciding to only talk to 1 team

Luka would only sign an extension with Lakers so had no choice

3) not even getting the full house of that teams assets

very little leverage

4) AD significantly older

true

5) AD more injury prone

true but there's concerns about Luka going forward as well

6) in the season after getting to the finals

they saw how far they were from winning with Luka as their best player and it's not like they had a choice since Luka let them know he was bolting if not outright asking for a trade behind the scenes

7) in the season after Luka got his 5th straight 1st team all-nba

in a league that doesn't gaf about defense

8) in the season after Luka was 3rd in MVP voting, his highest ranking ever

see above

9) in the season after Luka led the league in scoring (by 3 whole pts), 2nd in assists, 2nd in 3pters made

high usage stat padder

10) in the season after bringing in Klay, while nowhere near his peak, he was a much needed 3pt shooter

Klay can play off anyone

11) using Shaq as an example of work ethic

Luka's must be truly pathetic in comparison

what people fail to realize is Luka and the NBA wanted him in LA. Period. The Mavs were forced into this despite the soundbites Nico and owner are putting out. It's not like they can complain and admit collusion. They're essentially forced to save face as best they can without admitting their hands were forced since it's for the best of the league having Luka in LA.

Luka wanted out of Dallas? Do you know how stupid you are? If he is, this would have been the PR they used from the start!!!!!! Dude bought a house in Dallas for 15m!!!

[nomansland]

What I find most astonishing is that the Mavs ownership and front office somehow managed to make it even worse after the immediate outrage right when the trade happened.

First you have the mouthpiece MacMahon, talking about Luka like he's the reincarnation of Jabba the Hutt, when the same guy brought this team to the finals about 8 months earlier. Then you have that bizarre press conference were Harrison tries to laugh it away and tells a story how it all started as a joke between him and Pelinka, before leaving the room and leaving Kidd (who wasn't involved) alone with the press. Then we have reports leaking out that the original deal included the other first round pick and Dalton Knecht, before Pelinka somehow convinced Harrison that this is too much too give up. Now we have the billionaire owner, who is the billionaire owner because he married into a rich family, talking about work ethic and bringing up Shaq as a model for that. I hope Shaq didn't laugh himself to death when he read that story.

You just can't make this s**t up. I wonder what they'll come up with tomorrow. Maybe a story about Luka slaughtering baby seals at the Dallas Zoo?

It really does appear that they are intentionally burning the fanbase to the ground which makes me think the move to Vegas theory is true. Cuban did sell the team to the owners of Las Vegas Sands after all and the millions they have spent on trying to get gambling legalized in Texas have not had much effect, it was pretty shady of the league to even allow them to buy the team with such an obvious conflict of interest

If I could get Jason Kidd really drunk and Miriam Adelson was there I would tell him she is his ex wife and she just said he had a small wiener so he should go punch her in the face as hard as he can

I don't think the league would let them move the team to Las Vegas. That'd be an awful look for the league and Silver is well aware of the PR black eye the league took when Stern moved the Sonics to Oklahoma. Plus I'm starting to think that the other team owners are finally coming around to the point where expansion is on the table and moving the Mavs to Las Vegas would upend all of that.

The Adelsons would probably be forced to sell the team instead of moving it.

[Optms]

If a lazy low worth ethic player destroyed the West last year and took his team to the Finals, on one leg no less, it says more about the competition than it does about that player (Luka).

Soft league is soft.