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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis out until after the break 

Post#1061 » by Daver » Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:55 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Malik Beasley has 1.0 VORP. That is higher than everyone for us besides Giannis and Dame this season. :o



Found his role in detroit which is not guarding the other teams best player.What genious coach on our team would make him do that.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis out until after the break 

Post#1062 » by randy84 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:12 pm

I think Giannis needs to sit out longer than just a couple of weeks. Calf strains can lead to other injuries that I don't want to mention. If he has to still out this year to be good, I am fine with that. Go all in next year.
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Post#1063 » by BigO » Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:15 pm

Enough about Beasely.

More concerned about the Bucks lineup:

1) Will Doc get Ajax out of there and try a different lineup?
2) Will he try Green in starting lineup, where he should get more open shots and solidify the defense?
3) Can Doc help minimize Kuzma's weaknesses, which are a bad assist to turnover ratio(just way too sloppy historically) and taking bad shots (very inefficient).
4) Trent and BP probably should still come off the bench for scoring, but their minutes, especailly BP, have to increase.
5) A playoff rotation has to come into focus and it is far from there.
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Post#1064 » by Daver » Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:45 pm

BigO wrote:Enough about Beasely.

More concerned about the Bucks lineup:

1) Will Doc get Ajax out of there and try a different lineup?
2) Will he try Green in starting lineup, where he should get more open shots and solidify the defense?
3) Can Doc help minimize Kuzma's weaknesses, which are a bad assist to turnover ratio(just way too sloppy historically) and taking bad shots (very inefficient).
4) Trent and BP probably should still come off the bench for scoring, but their minutes, especailly BP, have to increase.
5) A playoff rotation has to come into focus and it is far from there.




If any of our beat writers had a pulse or balls thry would ask doc question 1.Wluld love to hear his insane explanatiion on why ajax is still starting when he basicslly doesnt deserve to and green n trent have both outplayed him big time.Dont wanna hear its about his D cause greens D is just as good n trents isnt far behind.Doc talks about spacing yet ajax provides none.Hey eric nehm you marshmellow softball qiestion asker go ahead do your job ask the question.
This team deserves to have the 5 best starting not 4 of 5
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis out until after the break 

Post#1065 » by soxperry » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:05 pm

We need change at the 2.

Its Trent or AJ Green

Trent is having a better shooting season than AJ Green in some hidden ways. They are each shooting 43% from 3 but AJ is only shooting 36% from above the break and making a living off of corner threes while Trent is at nearly 42% above the break. This is important because its much easier to generate an above the break 3 than a corner 3.

Trent is also shooting 46% on pull up 3s vs 36% for AJ. Obviously, its helpful to have a guy who can do more than just catch and shoot.

Trent is also a far better transition player.

Defensively, they are about the same in DLebron but Green's on/off defensive numbers are much better than Trent's.

If you believe in Green's defense then there's an argument to have him on the court with Dame. But either way Andre needs to hit the bench for one of these two.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis out until after the break 

Post#1066 » by BigO » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:17 pm

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BigO wrote:Enough about Beasely.

More concerned about the Bucks lineup:

1) Will Doc get Ajax out of there and try a different lineup?
2) Will he try Green in starting lineup, where he should get more open shots and solidify the defense?
3) Can Doc help minimize Kuzma's weaknesses, which are a bad assist to turnover ratio(just way too sloppy historically) and taking bad shots (very inefficient).
4) Trent and BP probably should still come off the bench for scoring, but their minutes, especailly BP, have to increase.
5) A playoff rotation has to come into focus and it is far from there.




If any of our beat writers had a pulse or balls thry would ask doc question 1.Wluld love to hear his insane explanatiion on why ajax is still starting when he basicslly doesnt deserve to and green n trent have both outplayed him big time.Dont wanna hear its about his D cause greens D is just as good n trents isnt far behind.Doc talks about spacing yet ajax provides none.Hey eric nehm you marshmellow softball qiestion asker go ahead do your job ask the question.
This team deserves to have the 5 best starting not 4 of 5


I'm giving you an And 1 because of your comment on the beat writers. Maybe journalism school has changed, but asking tough questions is the last thing Nehm or the Journal guy will do.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis out until after the break 

Post#1067 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:20 pm

soxperry wrote:We need change at the 2.

Its Trent or AJ Green

Trent is having a better shooting season than AJ Green in some hidden ways. They are each shooting 43% from 3 but AJ is only shooting 36% from above the break and making a living off of corner threes while Trent is at nearly 42% above the break. This is important because its much easier to generate an above the break 3 than a corner 3.

Trent is also shooting 46% on pull up 3s vs 36% for AJ. Obviously, its helpful to have a guy who can do more than just catch and shoot.

Trent is also a far better transition player.

Defensively, they are about the same in DLebron but Green's on/off defensive numbers are much better than Trent's.

If you believe in Green's defense then there's an argument to have him on the court with Dame. But either way Andre needs to hit the bench for one of these two.

I think Trent has been good in role as well as AJ really, these stats are fine but I also think one thing AJ does is work off screens, in motion and with a defender on him far more than Trent. For instance, yes AJ is shooting lower above the break but I think a fair bit of his shots there come off designed plays, tighter defense and he creates space that way as well as just standing at the three point line. AJ is higher in catch and shoot three point percentage (44.5 to 42.1) and a lot of the discrepancy in shooting elsewhere is probably attributed to the fact that AJ Green shoots 22% of his three point looks tightly contested compared to Trent's 3%, which he still hits at 39%. Maybe there's an "open looks above the break" stat that I don't know where to find though that would show different.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis out until after the break 

Post#1068 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:28 pm

I think we need Trent's shot creation more than anything after the Khris/Kuzma swap. I'm just not convinced that Kuzma is the 3rd option guy that can get you 20 in any given playoff environment. In hindsight this is probably why Horst was reluctant to part with Bobby at the deadline. Not that I agree with it, but the non Dame/Giannis offensive creation is probably gonna have to be "by committee" going forward.
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Post#1069 » by jimmybones » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:32 pm

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While yes, I imagine many would have kept him knowing what we do now, when people say things like this it is always ignoring that our roster was much different back then. Even in his last year: that younger Jrue was a 20ppg AS player, Lopez was DPOY runner-up, everyone loved Bobby back then, and we'd all kill for that Grayson Allen on this team with how little depth we have. The player personnel picture just gets rosier and rosier the farther back you go.

We don't know what it would look like for Bud trying to coach this older, slower, less athletic team either.


I’d like to know how much player personnel input Doc and the owners have. Plausible Doc is behind all our personnel mistakes the past year.


Would Doc want Porter Jr? I would think he would want another Delonge Wright retread and hope it works out. Porter feels more like Horst.


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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis out until after the break 

Post#1070 » by raferfenix » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:40 pm

Ajax getting so many developmental mins is a big positive in my book.

This team has so little athleticism (bit better post-Kuzma) that him turning into a reliable defensive specialist who makes hustle plays could be huge.

That’s also where I wouldn’t mind if Prince hits the bench now that we have an upgrade combo forward.

Green’s development is critical as well and it’d be easier to start him or Trent now that Kuzma adds some pep to what was a mummified front court.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis out until after the break 

Post#1071 » by Badgerlander » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:51 pm

I would wait until this summer to sign Rollins after he passes a physical after shoulder surgery. Let KPJ take his minutes.

Sign Nassir Little to a 3 year minimum deal. He is putting up 17.4pts 5.7reb 2.3ast on .563/.388 (on 5 3pta per game)/.842 in the g league. He’s a good defender too, 6’6” with 7’1” wingspan 224lbs. Get him cheap long term in case Prince leaves this summer.
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Post#1072 » by JayMKE » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:52 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
soxperry wrote:We need change at the 2.

Its Trent or AJ Green

Trent is having a better shooting season than AJ Green in some hidden ways. They are each shooting 43% from 3 but AJ is only shooting 36% from above the break and making a living off of corner threes while Trent is at nearly 42% above the break. This is important because its much easier to generate an above the break 3 than a corner 3.

Trent is also shooting 46% on pull up 3s vs 36% for AJ. Obviously, its helpful to have a guy who can do more than just catch and shoot.

Trent is also a far better transition player.

Defensively, they are about the same in DLebron but Green's on/off defensive numbers are much better than Trent's.

If you believe in Green's defense then there's an argument to have him on the court with Dame. But either way Andre needs to hit the bench for one of these two.

I think Trent has been good in role as well as AJ really, these stats are fine but I also think one thing AJ does is work off screens, in motion and with a defender on him far more than Trent. For instance, yes AJ is shooting lower above the break but I think a fair bit of his shots there come off designed plays, tighter defense and he creates space that way as well as just standing at the three point line. AJ is higher in catch and shoot three point percentage (44.5 to 42.1) and a lot of the discrepancy in shooting elsewhere is probably attributed to the fact that AJ Green shoots 22% of his three point looks tightly contested compared to Trent's 3%, which he still hits at 39%. Maybe there's an "open looks above the break" stat that I don't know where to find though that would show different, but I don't know where one would find that.


Agree AJ is on another level taking and making harder shots, the way he plays off Giannis and around screens has legitimately been probably the highlight of our season.

Ajax is just too bad on offense to depend on, him being a decent ball handler and passer doesn’t make up for not being able too shoot or finish. He’s a great athlete but his defense isn’t stifling like we’d need it to be, probably should be more match up dependent & change of pace guy off the bench & not out there with Giannis. If he wins the dunk contest I would move him in the offseason, don’t think the value is going to be higher.
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Post#1073 » by raferfenix » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:53 pm

Doc on Kuz, via Erica Nehm:

What does Kyle Kuzma bring to the Bucks?

Rivers: “You look at our front line, it’s massive now. You know, whatever Giannis (Antetokounmpo) is, Brook (Lopez) is seven feet, Kuz is 6-9, 6-10, that’s a big lineup for us. Another scorer. He can really score off of the dribble. Great (in transition). His transition numbers are right behind Giannis in transition off the bounce when he rebounds and breaks out. You look at his numbers, they mirror Giannis’ numbers. So we have another breakout big, which is big for us. Also a throw-ahead big where you can throw ahead to him and he can attack. So he does a lot of things that can help us.”


“I mean, I don’t think we did this not to (start him),” Rivers said.

All season long, Rivers has talked about the Bucks’ identity. He has made it clear that the Bucks are at their best when they lean into their strengths as a big, strong team that plays physical defense and gets in the painted area on offense. Trading for Kuzma, a 6-foot-9, 221-pound forward, and starting him alongside Antetokounmpo and Lopez allows the Bucks to play with more size, but it will ultimately lead to some interesting decisions with the rest of the starting lineup.


Can Kuzma help small-ball lineups with Antetokounmpo thrive?

Rivers: “Our small-ball lineups have been awful. Just keeping it real. Coming into the year we thought they’d be great and we have not found the right group yet. So, that would be fantastic, honestly. I still think it should be good. Every basketball part of me thinks it should be good. And so far I’ve been proven wrong on that. It has really struggled. It’s funny, we’ve gone small with Brook and been better than we have with Giannis at the five so we have to figure that out. With Kyle’s size, that may be able to help us.”


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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Giannis out until after the break 

Post#1074 » by rayallenscalves » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:00 pm

I'm pretty over AJax. I just don't know what he brings to the table. Feels like he's living off one good game against Shai. He's a good (not great) defender and teams are learning how to run a basic screen to switch him off the primary ballhandler, rendering him pretty useless defensively. On offense, he's a complete non-entity and super frustrating to watch. It's like they're running a 4-on-5 offense.

I'm at the point where I'd rather start AJ and give Patty AJax's minutes. I get wanting to turn AJax into something, but I just don't see it. Never have.
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Post#1075 » by JayMKE » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:05 pm

I’ll have to see Kuzma next Giannis, one of main things that steps off the page for Kuz is that he’s a strong & long 6’9” but idk about that line up with Giannis and Brook like Doc wants. He def seems like he’d be a better fit at the 4 which is a crowded spot with Giannis & Bobby.
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Post#1076 » by Milbucks96 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:10 pm

JayMKE wrote:I’ll have to see Kuzma next Giannis, one of main things that steps off the page for Kuz is that he’s a strong & long 6’9” but idk about that line up with Giannis and Brook like Doc wants. He def seems like he’d be a better fit at the 4 which is a crowded spot with Giannis & Bobby.

Yea that’s how I feel too. I think he could really help the Giannis at 5 lineups but he feels clunky at the 3. He and Prince don’t really play the same but they remind me of each other in that aspect as they’re best as 4’s.

It’s most likely our best option at the 3 though.
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Post#1077 » by jimmybones » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:15 pm

Just start Green, duh. And give all of the minutes AJax was getting to KPJ - you don't lose a lot of athleticism there and you get infinitely better shooting/ball handling/any offense with a pulse
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Post#1078 » by EasyE31 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:18 pm

Watching yesterday's game I was struck at how different Dame plays without Giannis. Going on two full seasons here and he still hasn't figured out how to play aggressively with Giannis on the floor. Why has that been so hard for them to unlock?
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Post#1079 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:24 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Dame’s team now. I actually think he may thrive being the man out there.


Going back to this one I posted before the game yesterday. Think this next two weeks will be interesting to gain knowledge on the Dame/Giannis pairing.
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Post#1080 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:34 pm

At the end of the day, it's on both dudes to make this work and maximize the offense. But I think it's clear that Giannis is familiar/comfortable with a more methodical pick & roll operator which makes complete sense given his chemistry with Khris for so many years. Dame on the other hand, is a downhill player like him, and Giannis needs to adapt to his style and be able to switch gears more easily when he's running off-ball and screen-setting.

A better coach would certainly help here too, but this really shouldn't be rocket science. Giannis needs to sprint to the basket more and go full Amare dunking on everyone. No more of this pipe dream of running some convoluted, Golden State ball-movement offense.

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