REPORT: AD out indefinitely

[Mavrelous]

The Hoop Collective episode about AD injury was a complete **** show
Windhorst visibly frustrated and snippy, insisting that AD injury doesn't matter on the big picture of the trade and players always get injured.
Windhorst also went out of his way to defend Dumont.
Tim McMahon got his feeling hurt because a young local journalist (who actually travels and follows the team everywhere) exposed his lies about the death threats towards Nico Harrison, and calls him wannabe journalist.

Haven't listened to the episode. But I never thought I'd say this: Bontemps is now the only one on that podcast who at least isn't constantly acting as a mouthpiece. I've never liked him because he comes across as a bit whiny and know-it-all, but at least he occasionally talks some real stuff.

I'm a long time listener, and I'm well aware of Windhorst LeBron/Rich Paul bias and McMahon being slimey, but they took it to next level, and it started in last year PO bizarre rant about Luka after game 3.

[JonFromVA]

Like, I have a car worth 50k, but I personally feel it sucks, so it is smart to sell if for 15k now? How are these morons even have money in their lives, stupidest businessmen I have ever seen.

Now imagine because you tried to shop that car around to the highest bidder, your car finds out about it and starts insisting it will only be owned by certain people, and then your sister leaks that you don't trust the car because it never starts up in the morning, burns oil, and is going to need $70M/year in maintenance.

The problem isn't necessarily targeting a player and acting on it, so much as targeting Anthony Davis. Of course we can't ignore that the Mavs have so many hopes resting on Kyrie ... who is basically the poster boy for the dark scenario I laid out for your car.

[UcanUwill]

Like, I have a car worth 50k, but I personally feel it sucks, so it is smart to sell if for 15k now? How are these morons even have money in their lives, stupidest businessmen I have ever seen.

Now imagine because you tried to shop that car around to the highest bidder, your car finds out about it and starts insisting it will only be owned by certain people, and then your sister leaks that you don't trust the car because it never starts up in the morning, burns oil, and is going to need $70M/year in maintenance.

The problem isn't necessarily targeting a player and acting on it, so much as targeting Anthony Davis. Of course we can't ignore that the Mavs have so many hopes resting on Kyrie ... who is basically the poster boy for the dark scenario I laid out for your car.

But car does start in the morning, it drives me to nba finals. All gripes i have with my car is irrelevant to its current value at least, and everyone thinks my car is all time great.

Problem, I dont even want to shop, i just really want this jalopy the other guy has, so I just call him myself, and offer him my expensive car, one of the best cars there is or ever was, for his jalopy, because damn I love that Jalopy. Everyone in the world will say its a bad move, or at least get another 40k of compensation back, but nah man, the jalopy is good.

This whole analogy has failed, I am just literally saying what MAVS have done

[Pointgod]

The Hoop Collective episode about AD injury was a complete **** show
Windhorst visibly frustrated and snippy, insisting that AD injury doesn't matter on the big picture of the trade and players always get injured.
Windhorst also went out of his way to defend Dumont.
Tim McMahon got his feeling hurt because a young local journalist (who actually travels and follows the team everywhere) exposed his lies about the death threats towards Nico Harrison, and calls him wannabe journalist.

Damn now I have to listen to the Hoop Collective although I’m seriously starting to dislike Bontemps.

[Liam_Gallagher]

Mavs fans, get used to this. Other than last year, he was hurt every year as a Laker. We probably repeat in 2021 if he doesn't get hurt.

[Dirk]

I actually hate the Mavs organization so much. Imagine you have a 25 year old superstar, acquired a 2nd option in Kyrie Irving for peanuts to form one of the most potent offensive backcourts in NBA history. They make the finals in their first full year together, winning 3 straight series without HCA. The team retools in the summer, improving their weaknesses by swapping DJJ/THJ/Josh Green for Klay/Grimes/Naji...

Then they trade their 25 year old superstar for the most injury prone player in the league who is THIRTY TWO. Don't even give the guys a chance to run it back after making the finals in their FIRST YEAR TOGETHER!!!

**** piece of trash miserable franchise wasting the twilight of Kyrie's prime and effectively killing any chance at another ring. I don't know why I'm surprised. Same franchise that traded Nash because they didn't want to pay him. Same franchise that made the EXACT same mistake with Brunson a couple decades later. Same franchise that made no effort to retain the championship roster from 2011.

Some franchises just don't deserve to exist.

Let me understand this.

You hate the Mavs franchise. Cool. No challenge there. Understandable.

But you have a Lakers logo... a team that gets things gifted to them? Do you not feel bad about the field not balanced in the NBA? Shouldn't you hate the fact that the Lakers have benefits that most other franchises don't have?

[JustBuzzin]

Nico go into hiding seriously.

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I get Nico is the scapegoat, but we all know this was the owners making a decision that helps the league. Nico had no control over trading Luka. He's just the fall guy.

Dwade a trusted all time good guy. If he said the owners made this decision believe him.

If owner make you do this, you resign, plain and simple. Resignation hurts your career far less than this move. This makes Nico not just a clown, his name will forever be remembered in history as a guy who made stupidest move in sports history. You **** resign...

These morons were on it together, the more they speak, the more apparent it is that they really don't know how stupid they are, they really do not get what they have done. Their justification on that Luka has no worketic is the poorest excuse ever, even if the owner is that stupid, he really thinks Shaq was hard working one, not Luka, it doesn't mean you didn't shipped third best asset in the nba for not even the third of its worth.

Like, I have a car worth 50k, but I personally feel it sucks, so it is smart to sell if for 15k now? How are these morons even have money in their lives, stupidest businessmen I have ever seen.

You truly underestimate the power of owners in a multi billion dollar business.

Nico is just a GM. The owners have the final word. At no point has anyone brought up the Mavericks owner signed off on this trade.

[Sixers in 4]

Who didn't see this coming? Too bad they didn't make the offer for Embiid if they wanted an oft injured center.

[JustBuzzin]

I get Nico is the scapegoat, but we all know this was the owners making a decision that helps the league. Nico had no control over trading Luka. He's just the fall guy.

Dwade a trusted all time good guy. If he said the owners made this decision believe him.

If owner make you do this, you resign, plain and simple. Resignation hurts your career far less than this move. This makes Nico not just a clown, his name will forever be remembered in history as a guy who made stupidest move in sports history. You **** resign...

These morons were on it together, the more they speak, the more apparent it is that they really don't know how stupid they are, they really do not get what they have done. Their justification on that Luka has no worketic is the poorest excuse ever, even if the owner is that stupid, he really thinks Shaq was hard working one, not Luka, it doesn't mean you didn't shipped third best asset in the nba for not even the third of its worth.

Like, I have a car worth 50k, but I personally feel it sucks, so it is smart to sell if for 15k now? How are these morons even have money in their lives, stupidest businessmen I have ever seen.

Normally, I'd say this is idiotic. You do what the owners say and you'll get another GM deal later if you need it. Again owners will know you did it for them. But this is truly a once in a generation level clown move that will never be lived down. You really might have to resign before you put your name on this.

Why would he leave a well paid job?

This is a business move.

For as much as we blame Nico why aren't we giving the same energy to the Mavs owner who has the final say on this move?

Again the Mavs owner had to sign off on this. Why would he trade the bigger younger star for a aging AD?

It's not hard to see what happened behind the scenes. This was a move made for the entire league. The league had no superstar who could replace LeBron/Curry. Their best chance was to put Luka a international star in LA. The NBA got their next guy and his name is Luka and he plays in the best market for the most popular franchise in the league.

Wade told you what happened believe him.

[winforlose]

NBA should step in and fire Nico for tanking an entire franchise.

What the NBA should do is step in and ban Nico, Ban the entire Lakers FO, and impose severe penalties on the Lakers organization. The closed nature of this trade smells to high heaven. It is not healthy in any sport and it should not be allowed to go unpunished. But, the Lakers make money for the league, and they won’t do the right thing. Just like they didn’t when the Lakers poached AD or when NYK poached Brunson from Dallas. The Mavs have really been taking it on the jaw the last 3 or 4 years, (kinda like the Pels before them.)

How is it Lakers fault the other managements are just pure idiots? Unless you do believe there is actual ilegal activity and Nico somehow working for the Lakers? But MAVS owner backs the decision, so maybe owners are paid up too, they seem too rich for it to be the case, they also just massively tanked their franchise value.... Man I have never seen a trade where the logical explanation is ilegal collusion, it is unbelievable MAVS organization even trying to justify the decision, they look better off if they leave public to believe they just corrupt and the trade is fixed. Now they leaning into - no, we are actually just idiots, - excuse.

I can find no other example of such a closed process trade. The lack of assets back isn’t just alarming, it is damning. The Lakers actually said we didn’t give proper value because we couldn’t talk to Luka about it. Well why is the secrecy more important than first round picks, Kneckt, and probably Austin Reaves? Why is it imperative that no player other than an a 32 year old often injured AD (who happened to be presently injured,) would be the return. This whole thing screams of something corrupt. So yes I do think something non basketball happened here. In suspect it was at the ownership level, and was facilitated by the GMs of both teams.

[Calvin Klein]

Windhorst saying they got unlucky like they didn't trade for one of the most injury prone stars in the last few years

clown.

[dhsilv2]

If owner make you do this, you resign, plain and simple. Resignation hurts your career far less than this move. This makes Nico not just a clown, his name will forever be remembered in history as a guy who made stupidest move in sports history. You **** resign...

These morons were on it together, the more they speak, the more apparent it is that they really don't know how stupid they are, they really do not get what they have done. Their justification on that Luka has no worketic is the poorest excuse ever, even if the owner is that stupid, he really thinks Shaq was hard working one, not Luka, it doesn't mean you didn't shipped third best asset in the nba for not even the third of its worth.

Like, I have a car worth 50k, but I personally feel it sucks, so it is smart to sell if for 15k now? How are these morons even have money in their lives, stupidest businessmen I have ever seen.

Normally, I'd say this is idiotic. You do what the owners say and you'll get another GM deal later if you need it. Again owners will know you did it for them. But this is truly a once in a generation level clown move that will never be lived down. You really might have to resign before you put your name on this.

Yes, I am not saying you quit any time owners makes gm decisions despite your wishes, all owners do that, and all gms deal with it. But this is different, you cant put your name on this trade, Nico was well respected 10 days ago, he would have landed on his feet if this was trully forced on him. But now, he forever put his name on it.

Not just that, but his family is going to get crap over this as long as he's in Dallas. And that's just not right or fair but it's going to happen. Just a terrible all around choice.

[dhsilv2]

If owner make you do this, you resign, plain and simple. Resignation hurts your career far less than this move. This makes Nico not just a clown, his name will forever be remembered in history as a guy who made stupidest move in sports history. You **** resign...

These morons were on it together, the more they speak, the more apparent it is that they really don't know how stupid they are, they really do not get what they have done. Their justification on that Luka has no worketic is the poorest excuse ever, even if the owner is that stupid, he really thinks Shaq was hard working one, not Luka, it doesn't mean you didn't shipped third best asset in the nba for not even the third of its worth.

Like, I have a car worth 50k, but I personally feel it sucks, so it is smart to sell if for 15k now? How are these morons even have money in their lives, stupidest businessmen I have ever seen.

Normally, I'd say this is idiotic. You do what the owners say and you'll get another GM deal later if you need it. Again owners will know you did it for them. But this is truly a once in a generation level clown move that will never be lived down. You really might have to resign before you put your name on this.

Why would he leave a well paid job?

This is a business move.

For as much as we blame Nico why aren't we giving the same energy to the Mavs owner who has the final say on this move?

Again the Mavs owner had to sign off on this. Why would he trade the bigger younger star for a aging AD?

It's not hard to see what happened behind the scenes. This was a move made for the entire league. The league had no superstar who could replace LeBron/Curry. Their best chance was to put Luka a international star in LA. The NBA got their next guy and his name is Luka and he plays in the best market for the most popular franchise in the league.

Wade told you what happened believe him.

The owner is just that. An owner. They are even known to not be basketball people. So they'll get left alone. Nico is supposed to be an expert. No fan base anywhere is going to want this guy there. It's a huge reputation issue. He'll be a joke in the community he lives in (do the owners even have a home in dallas?). I mean imagine your kids come home crying "daddy all the kids say you're an idiot for trading Luka". This isn't going to be a comfortable time for him in Dallas going forward.

And before all this, he was well respected. He'd have been able to get a new job no problem.

[Calvin Klein]

Seriously, that guy is resigning in the next few days/weeks. No doubt about it.

[Laimbeer]

If owner make you do this, you resign, plain and simple. Resignation hurts your career far less than this move. This makes Nico not just a clown, his name will forever be remembered in history as a guy who made stupidest move in sports history. You **** resign...

These morons were on it together, the more they speak, the more apparent it is that they really don't know how stupid they are, they really do not get what they have done. Their justification on that Luka has no worketic is the poorest excuse ever, even if the owner is that stupid, he really thinks Shaq was hard working one, not Luka, it doesn't mean you didn't shipped third best asset in the nba for not even the third of its worth.

Like, I have a car worth 50k, but I personally feel it sucks, so it is smart to sell if for 15k now? How are these morons even have money in their lives, stupidest businessmen I have ever seen.

Normally, I'd say this is idiotic. You do what the owners say and you'll get another GM deal later if you need it. Again owners will know you did it for them. But this is truly a once in a generation level clown move that will never be lived down. You really might have to resign before you put your name on this.

Why would he leave a well paid job?

This is a business move.

For as much as we blame Nico why aren't we giving the same energy to the Mavs owner who has the final say on this move?

Again the Mavs owner had to sign off on this. Why would he trade the bigger younger star for a aging AD?

It's not hard to see what happened behind the scenes. This was a move made for the entire league. The league had no superstar who could replace LeBron/Curry. Their best chance was to put Luka a international star in LA. The NBA got their next guy and his name is Luka and he plays in the best market for the most popular franchise in the league.

Wade told you what happened believe him.

What exactly happened?

[JustBuzzin]

Normally, I'd say this is idiotic. You do what the owners say and you'll get another GM deal later if you need it. Again owners will know you did it for them. But this is truly a once in a generation level clown move that will never be lived down. You really might have to resign before you put your name on this.

Why would he leave a well paid job?

This is a business move.

For as much as we blame Nico why aren't we giving the same energy to the Mavs owner who has the final say on this move?

Again the Mavs owner had to sign off on this. Why would he trade the bigger younger star for a aging AD?

It's not hard to see what happened behind the scenes. This was a move made for the entire league. The league had no superstar who could replace LeBron/Curry. Their best chance was to put Luka a international star in LA. The NBA got their next guy and his name is Luka and he plays in the best market for the most popular franchise in the league.

Wade told you what happened believe him.

The owner is just that. An owner. They are even known to not be basketball people. So they'll get left alone. Nico is supposed to be an expert. No fan base anywhere is going to want this guy there. It's a huge reputation issue. He'll be a joke in the community he lives in (do the owners even have a home in dallas?). I mean imagine your kids come home crying "daddy all the kids say you're an idiot for trading Luka". This isn't going to be a comfortable time for him in Dallas going forward.

And before all this, he was well respected. He'd have been able to get a new job no problem.

So you're telling me the Mavs owner didn't know Luka was an international superstar who was just entering his prime and the guy they were trading him for was a aging 32yr injury prone AD?

You're insulting the worlds basketball knowledge and you're also insulting all owners when you don't think they know who their top money maker is. Luka was Dallas money maker. The owner knew this was a bad trade and he signed off on it because the NBA as a whole had to do something about the ratings. You better believe these billionaires talk behind the scenes. This is just a hobby for them they make shady moves if it helps the business overall.

There is no reason to justify the Mavs owner signing off on this unless it was something shady happening behind the scenes point blank.

[JustBuzzin]

Normally, I'd say this is idiotic. You do what the owners say and you'll get another GM deal later if you need it. Again owners will know you did it for them. But this is truly a once in a generation level clown move that will never be lived down. You really might have to resign before you put your name on this.

Why would he leave a well paid job?

This is a business move.

For as much as we blame Nico why aren't we giving the same energy to the Mavs owner who has the final say on this move?

Again the Mavs owner had to sign off on this. Why would he trade the bigger younger star for a aging AD?

It's not hard to see what happened behind the scenes. This was a move made for the entire league. The league had no superstar who could replace LeBron/Curry. Their best chance was to put Luka a international star in LA. The NBA got their next guy and his name is Luka and he plays in the best market for the most popular franchise in the league.

Wade told you what happened believe him.

What exactly happened?

Read again

[the_process]

Rescind the trade, Dallas.

[God Squad]

The Hoop Collective episode about AD injury was a complete **** show
Windhorst visibly frustrated and snippy, insisting that AD injury doesn't matter on the big picture of the trade and players always get injured.
Windhorst also went out of his way to defend Dumont.
Tim McMahon got his feeling hurt because a young local journalist (who actually travels and follows the team everywhere) exposed his lies about the death threats towards Nico Harrison, and calls him wannabe journalist.

Here is a recording of the bizarre exchange

Read on Twitter

Apparently, Banned McMahon was community noted on Twitter for his reporting.

This is a bizarre exchange. What's up with Windhorst putting on his cape for the Mavs organization? Honestly, McMahon is spot on with his assessment of the situation. IMO you can tell Windhorst is protecting "sources".

[TorontoBarneys]

Nico might go down as the worst GM of all time.