2024-25 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1101 » by tsherkin » Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:51 pm

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sp6r=underrated wrote:This trade could be as bad for the business of Mavericks basketball as the Baby Bulls were for the Chicago Bulls. The terribleness of the Baby Bulls destroyed the national Bulls fanbase. They weren't able to turn any of the 90s national Jordan fans into perm Bulls fans given the way they dismantled the team and were awful instantly.


Yikes, forgot about that duo. Chandler turned out all right. Eddy Curry, on the other hand...


https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/eddy-curry-nba-the-truth-was-way-worse

Eddy ended up alright too. Just not as an NBA player. I think the NBA does a lot more these days for players that Eddy would've benefitted from.


Eddy would not have been that useful today. Weak-rebounding bigs with no defense and no range aren't really in high demand. He was effectively done after 2008, 7 years after going 4th overall.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1102 » by eminence » Mon Feb 10, 2025 5:13 pm

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Yikes, forgot about that duo. Chandler turned out all right. Eddy Curry, on the other hand...


https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/eddy-curry-nba-the-truth-was-way-worse

Eddy ended up alright too. Just not as an NBA player. I think the NBA does a lot more these days for players that Eddy would've benefitted from.


Eddy would not have been that useful today. Weak-rebounding bigs with no defense and no range aren't really in high demand. He was effectively done after 2008, 7 years after going 4th overall.


I don't think they were talking about on the court.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1103 » by tsherkin » Mon Feb 10, 2025 5:14 pm

eminence wrote:I don't think they were talking about on the court.


Right, but I don't care. My original point had nothing to do with off-court issues, so anything about those would be non-sequitur.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1104 » by itsxtray » Mon Feb 10, 2025 6:58 pm

CKRT wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:This trade could be as bad for the business of Mavericks basketball as the Baby Bulls were for the Chicago Bulls. The terribleness of the Baby Bulls destroyed the national Bulls fanbase. They weren't able to turn any of the 90s national Jordan fans into perm Bulls fans given the way they dismantled the team and were awful instantly.


Yikes, forgot about that duo. Chandler turned out all right. Eddy Curry, on the other hand...


https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/eddy-curry-nba-the-truth-was-way-worse

Eddy ended up alright too. Just not as an NBA player. I think the NBA does a lot more these days for players that Eddy would've benefitted from.

Thanks for the link—it was a really interesting read. I agree, the NBA has classes and resources for rookies to help them deal with all the pitfalls of being a pro athlete. Players are also more aware of how past guys went broke, so they’re smarter about it now. That’s probably why we don’t hear about it as much anymore.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1105 » by CKRT » Mon Feb 10, 2025 7:45 pm

eminence wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
CKRT wrote:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/eddy-curry-nba-the-truth-was-way-worse

Eddy ended up alright too. Just not as an NBA player. I think the NBA does a lot more these days for players that Eddy would've benefitted from.


Eddy would not have been that useful today. Weak-rebounding bigs with no defense and no range aren't really in high demand. He was effectively done after 2008, 7 years after going 4th overall.


I don't think they were talking about on the court.


I wasn't, but I interpreted tsherkin's post the wrong way. I thought he was speaking more generically about how they turned out since it used to be pretty common to call his character into question (and somewhat rightfully so).

What do you mean no range? He's a 100% three point shooter. 8-)
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1106 » by tsherkin » Mon Feb 10, 2025 7:50 pm

CKRT wrote:I wasn't, but I interpreted tsherkin's post the wrong way. I thought he was speaking more generically about how they turned out since it used to be pretty common to call his character into question (and somewhat rightfully so).


Fair. But yeah, I was speaking about his on-court efficacy. He was a bit of a goon, but he was also a kid, and we're all mostly goons at that age, after all. Maybe not "Touch it, Dave" level, but whatever. He had a deployable, reliable skill in post scoring with his size at the time, and that made him more valuable than he might have been otherwise, but he failed so badly at the other things necessary for his position that it didn't matter.

What do you mean no range? He's a 100% three point shooter. 8-)


Lul. You aren't wrong. That 2/2 really sells. xD

But yeah, no touch past about 8 feet, give or take, jokes aside, and pretty weak at the foul line as well. Leaves him little projection as a positive overall player in today' game with his lazy-ass rebounding and crap D.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1107 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:27 pm

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MartinToVaught wrote:The most charitable explanation is that he's seen all the flak that Nico is taking and feels bad enough to take some of that burden off him, but somehow I doubt that's the case. This Dumont guy comes across as a huge douchebag.

It's telling that in his whole rant about who deserves to be a Mav and the Mavs' culture, he never mentions Dirk. I wonder if Dirk has distanced himself from the Mavs under these clowns or if Dumont is just that oblivious.

I'm casting a vote for "oblivious" considering the guy also mentioned Shaq as some paragon of work ethic...


I thought you were mistaken. Good god.

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Honestly, Shaq being in the quote of hard workers isn't the craziest thing about that quote. He left out Dirk.

Jordan was a gambling addict, Bird was a heavy drinker and smoker, Kobe quit on/sabotaged his own team in playoff games, but Luka's the real problem because he's slightly chubby, according to a non-athlete who married into money and is fat himself. :crazy:
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1108 » by Peregrine01 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:54 am

Now AD is injured indefinitely after playing 3 quarters for the Mavs. Good God. Nico Harrison needs to go into hiding.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1109 » by jalengreen » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:58 am

OKC is stupidly good lol
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1110 » by sp6r=underrated » Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:40 am

Read on Twitter


If a fan continues to go to games they still care and perhaps their fandom can be saved. The worst thing is apathy. Dirk showing for Luka is way worse for the Mavericks organization than Dirk going to a Dallas game shittalking the owners.

Best thing to do is allow fans to vent. Dallas continues risking their fanbase by not recognizing the gravity of what they did.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1111 » by falcolombardi » Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:02 am

jalengreen wrote:OKC is stupidly good lol


Líterally best net rating/srs ever lmao

Literally league top offense and defense since january lmao

Literally like 37-5 with ihart/chet playing lmao

Literally best defensive rating ever lmao* (depends how russel celtcs def rating is estimated*)
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1112 » by sp6r=underrated » Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:09 am

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jalengreen wrote:OKC is stupidly good lol


Líterally best net rating/srs ever lmao

Literally league top offense and defense since january lmao

Literally like 37-5 with ihart/chet playing lmao

Literally best defensive rating ever lmao* (depends how russel celtcs def rating is estimated*)


OKC is absurdly good. Only question with them is if they are 9+ SRS team on a heater run or a legit GOAT team.

To make a side point, the conspiracy theorists are out in force with Luka. if the NBA really fixed games why are they allowing Cleveland/OKC to build dominant teams?
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1113 » by The-Power » Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:10 am

jalengreen wrote:OKC is stupidly good lol

They are indeed. The one concern (besides injuries) that I have is their stale offense at times. They are prone to low-efficiency stretches and games having a bunch of inconsistent shooters and stars with subpar shot selection. Most of the time it does not matter because their defense is just so ridiculously good and their offensive talent can start carrying them at any moment in a game. Still, I wonder if they'll have some playoff scares along the way as a result of this.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1114 » by sp6r=underrated » Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:13 am

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jalengreen wrote:OKC is stupidly good lol

They are indeed. The one concern (besides injuries) that I have is their stale offense at times. They are prone to low-efficiency stretches and games having a bunch of inconsistent shooters and stars with subpar shot selection. Most of the time it does not matter because their defense is just so ridiculously good and their offensive talent can start carrying them at any moment in a game. Still, I wonder if they'll have some playoff scares along the way as a result of this.


I'm sold on them but I do think they'll have a couple of scare games in the western conference post-season. The rise of the 3 point shot has increased variance in the NBA. It is more likely now than in the past for one team to get red hot at same team other team goes cold.

Other than that only real risk is injuries.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1115 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:25 pm

The-Power wrote:
jalengreen wrote:OKC is stupidly good lol

They are indeed. The one concern (besides injuries) that I have is their stale offense at times. They are prone to low-efficiency stretches and games having a bunch of inconsistent shooters and stars with subpar shot selection. Most of the time it does not matter because their defense is just so ridiculously good and their offensive talent can start carrying them at any moment in a game. Still, I wonder if they'll have some playoff scares along the way as a result of this.


I suspect their offense lets them down and they fall short of a title this year. And I expect them to finally address that this summer. Williams is a terrific young player, but he's not ready to anchor an offense when SGA sits and in the playoffs some coach is going to have a scheme for SGA. Maybe the shooters can just live on the right side of variance, but I hate that they didn't add another shot creator with all those assets.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1116 » by falcolombardi » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:47 pm

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The-Power wrote:
jalengreen wrote:OKC is stupidly good lol

They are indeed. The one concern (besides injuries) that I have is their stale offense at times. They are prone to low-efficiency stretches and games having a bunch of inconsistent shooters and stars with subpar shot selection. Most of the time it does not matter because their defense is just so ridiculously good and their offensive talent can start carrying them at any moment in a game. Still, I wonder if they'll have some playoff scares along the way as a result of this.


I suspect their offense lets them down and they fall short of a title this year. And I expect them to finally address that this summer. Williams is a terrific young player, but he's not ready to anchor an offense when SGA sits and in the playoffs some coach is going to have a scheme for SGA. Maybe the shooters can just live on the right side of variance, but I hate that they didn't add another shot creator with all those assets.


Last i remember we have the #1 offense since january 1 (and top 1 defense over the whole year, included since january 1)

we added chet back which completely changes our offensive dinamic when playing the 5 in small ball lineups, wiggins has improved amd played as a legit all around scorer off the bench, our 3 pt shooting is off its early slump, we still have a big advantage in possesions

I get the idea of people who wanted cam or someone like him, but we already have plenty of guys who will need touches (shai, jalen, chet)

Then there is wiggins who is a high efficiency scorer at the rim, can self create a fair bit and shots 39% from 3, isiah joe shots above 40%, even caruso is finding his shot, dort has shot 40% since last season chet shot 40% last season

Cam or a high profile scorer would have needed to be featueres prominently or be somewhat "wasted" in a sixth man role or as a corner shooter and i dont want to take the ball away of jalen or chet
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1117 » by MartinToVaught » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:23 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:To make a side point, the conspiracy theorists are out in force with Luka. if the NBA really fixed games why are they allowing Cleveland/OKC to build dominant teams?

Neither team has actually proven anything in the playoffs yet.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1118 » by Special_Puppy » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:33 pm

The-Power wrote:
jalengreen wrote:OKC is stupidly good lol

They are indeed. The one concern (besides injuries) that I have is their stale offense at times. They are prone to low-efficiency stretches and games having a bunch of inconsistent shooters and stars with subpar shot selection. Most of the time it does not matter because their defense is just so ridiculously good and their offensive talent can start carrying them at any moment in a game. Still, I wonder if they'll have some playoff scares along the way as a result of this.


Feel like the lack of playoff experience is a bigger concern. That really does matter historically. That shouldn’t matter that much in the West, but against a hypothetical matchup against the Celitcs in the finals it might push Boston over the top
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1119 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:48 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
Last i remember we have the #1 offense since january 1 (and top 1 defense over the whole year, included since january 1)



The team is incredible.

I'm still afraid in the playoffs going against a good defense with a smart coach, that it might let them down. Trust me as a fan of the 07 Mavs I understand all too well what can happen...

I could be wrong and they could blitz through and go 16-3 or something. But I worry.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1120 » by parsnips33 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:06 pm

After having to talk all my friends into the Jimmy Butler trade, early returns are looking good. If you are feeling the urge to quote this talking about small sample size, please show some grace :lol:

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