24-25 Trade Thread

[codydaze]

Alright, I know these are turbulent times for the Kings and all of us fans but we can have disagreements without personal attacks and name calling. Let's tone things down.

[LightTheBeam]

He innately took quarters/games and appeared to play half azz for most of his career. From being outright bad for entire years, til coasting to the 4th quarter in his one good year under Brown, to outright not showing up for portions of seasons the last two years. Stripes on the leopard

Which everyone understood but his fans. Not even worth debating if someone noticed that

I expect him to do well early in San Antonio, as he is Uber talented when the motor is sparked, everyone knew that. But over the long haul, when the trade excitement dies down and the motivation wears off… could be like he was here the last three years. Good year one under Brown and a sub efficient not worth max the next two years that took swaths of the season off

Things like getting defenders shouldn’t have to motivate you. Nothing should. Ballers play hard because that’s what they do, only certain players need their candles lit and it doesn’t typically last linear. I didn’t see Domas playing half azz because of lack of structure. Imagine Kyrie, SGA etc playing negatively because of external stimuli, not in their dna

Im not sure if you just started watching basketball.

Jimmy, Harden, KD, Kyrie, and countless others have dragged ass to leave a situation.

When you've given 7.5 years to an organization that has failed at every step of the way, eventually you check out.

But you were wrong ebery step of the way.
1. Team will be better getting rid of "low iq negative fox"
2. Monk is better with ball in his hands as the lead guard
3. Demar needs to stick around

You hate on keegan, you hated on Keon. You might actually be monte mcnair, trying to convince us that building the 2022 bulls was a good idea.

He was born checked out. Every year he’s demonstrated low motor, from his very bad rookie season, to taking games off in his meteoric second year. Onwards

There is nothing to be deemed from these two games. And you annoyingly analyzing a team thrown together is that

The team was better without Fox this year, and Fox is a negative contributor the last two years

I don’t care about the interview DeRozan is a talented vet on/off the floor, though might need a bench role

Lol. And now i'd bet a good amount of money Spurs fly right past us in the standings and will stay there the next 5+ years.

But you keep spewing that nonsense.

[BoogieTime]

Im not sure if you just started watching basketball.

Jimmy, Harden, KD, Kyrie, and countless others have dragged ass to leave a situation.

When you've given 7.5 years to an organization that has failed at every step of the way, eventually you check out.

But you were wrong ebery step of the way.
1. Team will be better getting rid of "low iq negative fox"
2. Monk is better with ball in his hands as the lead guard
3. Demar needs to stick around

You hate on keegan, you hated on Keon. You might actually be monte mcnair, trying to convince us that building the 2022 bulls was a good idea.

He was born checked out. Every year he’s demonstrated low motor, from his very bad rookie season, to taking games off in his meteoric second year. Onwards

There is nothing to be deemed from these two games. And you annoyingly analyzing a team thrown together is that

The team was better without Fox this year, and Fox is a negative contributor the last two years

I don’t care about the interview DeRozan is a talented vet on/off the floor, though might need a bench role

Lol. And now i'd bet a good amount of money Spurs fly right past us in the standings and will stay there the next 5+ years.

But you keep spewing that nonsense.

It may happen, and I expect him to ball the rest of this year in San Antonio - as the external stimuli and environment will spark his motor, it wasn’t being sparked here any longer

[LightTheBeam]

Looking at this if we aren't going to tear down. I wonder if Lauri now fresh with 4 years left on his contract becomes available? Lavine + picks would be an all in move from sacs end.

[BoogieTime]

Looking at this if we aren't going to tear down. I wonder if Lauri now fresh with 4 years left on his contract becomes available? Lavine + picks would be an all in move from sacs end.

LaVine has been good this year, just arrived, and his impact on the Kings will be assessed long term

Even going by wanting Keon to start, LaVine was actually playing (at least until a few weeks ago) 79% of his minutes this year at SF/PF (I guess we will see how effective)

Lauri has been bad this year

[LightTheBeam]

Looking at this if we aren't going to tear down. I wonder if Lauri now fresh with 4 years left on his contract becomes available? Lavine + picks would be an all in move from sacs end.

LaVine has been good this year, just arrived, and his impact on the Kings will be assessed long term

Even going by wanting Keon to start, LaVine was actually playing (at least until a few weeks ago) 79% of his minutes this year at SF/PF (I guess we will see how effective)

Lauri has been bad this year

Idk boogie, I watched zach for many years in Chicago. He has an lack of an innate motor and iq. The energy isn't there and the whole city and team can feel it. When he came out the womb even his mother knew there was a lack of innate motor.

[BoogieTime]

Looking at this if we aren't going to tear down. I wonder if Lauri now fresh with 4 years left on his contract becomes available? Lavine + picks would be an all in move from sacs end.

LaVine has been good this year, just arrived, and his impact on the Kings will be assessed long term

Even going by wanting Keon to start, LaVine was actually playing (at least until a few weeks ago) 79% of his minutes this year at SF/PF (I guess we will see how effective)

Lauri has been bad this year

Idk boogie, I watched zach for many years in Chicago. He has a lack of an innate motor and iq. The energy isn't there and the whole city and team can feel it. When he came out the womb even his mother knew there was a lack of innate motor.

What’s even sillier than your dumb response is that’s in addition to your obsession with a player who brings nothing to the table (sub efficiency/bad shooting/low defensive metrics metrics, high inconsistency), which somewhere in your psyche you probably understand,is your petulance to now hate on the current team because your beloved was shipped off. How was his trade value? Eason et al we’re lucky Chicago wanted to tank and wanted to give up talent so easily, or Fox could’ve been untradable

That’s some complex, both in dissonance and now your transferring that nonsense into silliness on the teams current core

Go watch the spurs and don’t annoy us with nonsensical questions like you posted of trading a guy management wants before we see him who Kings fans are supporting

[LightTheBeam]

LaVine has been good this year, just arrived, and his impact on the Kings will be assessed long term

Even going by wanting Keon to start, LaVine was actually playing (at least until a few weeks ago) 79% of his minutes this year at SF/PF (I guess we will see how effective)

Lauri has been bad this year

Idk boogie, I watched zach for many years in Chicago. He has a lack of an innate motor and iq. The energy isn't there and the whole city and team can feel it. When he came out the womb even his mother knew there was a lack of innate motor.

What’s even sillier than your dumb response is that’s in addition to your obsession with a player who brings nothing to the table (sub efficiency/bad shooting/low defensive metrics metrics, high inconsistency), which somewhere in your psyche you probably understand,is your petulance to now hate on the current team because your beloved was shipped off. How was his trade value? Eason et al we’re lucky Chicago wanted to tank and wanted to give up talent so easily, or Fox could’ve been untradable

That’s some complex, both in dissonance and now your transferring that nonsense into silliness on the teams current core

Go watch the spurs and don’t annoy us with nonsensical questions like you posted of trading a guy management wants before we see him who Kings fans are supporting

I'm starting to question if you have some innate critical thinking issues.

The innate motor problems of this team continue to be compounded. And your obsession with a player who is now gone baffles me. Must lead back to those innate motor critical thinking skills you lack. Super strange

But lets just be real here. What is your obsession with me? You've commented on just about every post I've made discussing my vision for a team on a forum called realgm. It's borderline harassment and very annoying. If you don't like what I post here, or on the T&T board, maybe you should just ignore it and move on? This is a website forum that we all use to have fun and create 99% fake trades and suggestions that will never happen. Get over it.

[BoogieTime]

Idk boogie, I watched zach for many years in Chicago. He has a lack of an innate motor and iq. The energy isn't there and the whole city and team can feel it. When he came out the womb even his mother knew there was a lack of innate motor.

What’s even sillier than your dumb response is that’s in addition to your obsession with a player who brings nothing to the table (sub efficiency/bad shooting/low defensive metrics metrics, high inconsistency), which somewhere in your psyche you probably understand,is your petulance to now hate on the current team because your beloved was shipped off. How was his trade value? Eason et al we’re lucky Chicago wanted to tank and wanted to give up talent so easily, or Fox could’ve been untradable

That’s some complex, both in dissonance and now your transferring that nonsense into silliness on the teams current core

Go watch the spurs and don’t annoy us with nonsensical questions like you posted of trading a guy management wants before we see him who Kings fans are supporting

I'm starting to question if you have some innate critical thinking issues.

The innate motor problems of this team continue to be compounded. And your obsession with a player who is now gone baffles me. Must lead back to those innate motor critical thinking skills you lack. Super strange

But lets just be real here. What is your obsession with me? You've commented on just about every post I've made discussing my vision for a team on a forum called realgm. It's borderline harassment and very annoying. If you don't like what I post here, or on the T&T board, maybe you should just ignore it and move on? This is a website forum that we all use to have fun and create 99% fake trades and suggestions that will never happen. Get over it.

If it’s on the Kings forum obviously I will reply.

I comment on any t/t Kings thread that I find particularly objectionable. So, that must’ve been your Bulls thread and SNPA (?) recent threads. If your talking about the Markannen post well I just viewed that thread overall

And I thought, and still think, and actually reported that your reply was a nonsensical sarcastic take on how I view Fox. If you’re saying you really feel those things about Zach, maybe it could’ve been worded better. And explained

[codydaze]

I think it's time to move on from any discussions involving the words "Fox" and/or "motor". Let's move forward with a newfound sense of peace.

[LightTheBeam]

Posted in game thread but it was meant for here

Leave my fantasy here. If vivek wasn't hell bent on adding lavine, could we not have instead of Chicago included Brooklyn?
Imagine if we flipped collins/huerter + Chicago 1st + spurs 1st for cam johnson and ziaire williams. And we could have kept tre jones

Sabonis/jval
Johnson/williams/lyles
Keegan/laravia
Derozan/Keon/carter
Monk/Tre jones

This feels like a team that could actually be solid instead of 3 iso ball guys playing with sabonis and Keegan being ignored 3 quarters every game.

We would actually have a backup pg + another 2 legit forwards...

[OxAndFox]

I'm trying to stay as positive as possible with the trade at the deadline in the respect I think that Spurs pick could just be better than what initially thought.
Despite how good and how young Wemby is, the Spurs are on the clock right now. And I'm not just talking about on the floor. It's more about the coaching situation in San Antonio. Is Mitch Johnson the answer as HC? If he isn't and they sign him then it really does fall into line with that 2027 1st round pick.
The Kings themselves are in a similar position really when it comes to the HC too, but the pick we have dangling over our head is at least protected.

Of course the Spurs have loads of assets to upgrade the roster, however once Fox signs that extension and Sochan is locked in their flexibility drops somewhat.
I do expect though a trade of Barnes/Sochan/picks in the off season.

[OxAndFox]

That brings me to the current state of the Kings.

We all should know, and maybe come to the realisation Keon isn't going to get the starting spot. No matter how much he deserves it everyone involved in the Sacramento Kings organisation has ignored him and treated him extremely poorly. So it looks like we have Keon for 1 more season and then he will leave as an UFA. Anyway.

Obviously the Kings are desperate for an upgrade at the 4 spot. That should be priority #1 in the off season IMO, yes even before a PG.
Go and get Collins from Utah as an expiring with DDR to a 3rd team.

Then I would like to see Lavine with an actual PG next to him. That's when the attention turns to a PG. Which PG in the NBA checks all, or at least 3 of these boxes and can fit with
* Starter Quality (doesn't necessarily mean they are starting)
* POA defender
* Can play off ball when needed
* Hits the 3 at above 38%

I am spitballing here with someone that would be interesting IMO as a player that can start, but you wouldn't need to give him full starters minutes is Jose Alverado. I think he would not only compliment this team, but organise it well as a starter, be a pest as usual on D, hit his open shots and be a great teammate. Play him around the 22-25mpg. Fits the timeline, most likely can extend him at a reasonable rate etc. Think he fits the team like a glove. And no, Devin Carter isn't on the below as he isn't going to be ready and may not ever be TBH.

Alverado/Monk
Lavine/Keon
Keegan
Collins/??
Sabonis/JV

[OxAndFox]

King of in conclusion, whether we like it or not, Sabonis and Lavine are the 2 big contracts on this team. No team has really been able to hold 3 players at their salary ($40m+) and above and fill out their roster well without said large contracts already being on the team prior to new CBA coming in.

Collins and Alverado are at the right age for this roster. Still need to fill out some depth pieces, but that should be doable.

[Astaluego]

I think the KINGS should sign Ben Simmons in free agency, his lack of shooting could be hidden among so many good offensive players,.. I also like Lonzo or Vandervilt as good fits at a probably affordable price

[FarBeyondDriven]

the next G.M. has his hands full. Hopefully they embrace a total rebuild. Our assets for the beginning of a rebuild suck tbh since we don't have a 2025 first. We should be open for business and listening to offers for all of these guys.

Monk and Keegan are the two guys that could get us draft picks in return rather easily. Neither are keepers imho especially in a rebuild.

Sabonis might be very difficult to move. Getting a pick or good young player would probably require taking back awful contracts.

DeRozan might get us a protected pick and young player if we take back salary

LaVine has one year then a player option and he might turn that down as he'll want to cash in one last time as he turns 30 y/o. Trading him would require taking back awful salary but it might land us a first for our troubles. Have to wait until the deadline though.

Jonas is an expiring and lots of teams need backup bigs. But I'm not sure he's bringing back much unless, again, we take back salary.


I mean, I'd make it work but I have a sneaking suspicion Vivek has other plans. Sabonis will force his hand hopefully. But even if we're forced to trade him I think Vivek views LaVine, Monk, Murray and Carter as a solid core worth building around. It isn't of course so if he chooses to go that route we're screwed for another half-decade at least. So I'm not assuming for a second that we'll get our much-needed teardown.

[LightTheBeam]

Few things we know
1. Vivek won't rebuild
2. Sabonis wants a pg
3. Perry doesn't like lavine

Lavine + 3-4 1sts for lamelo ball

Demar + jv for naji + Martin + gafford

Pray laravia comes back

Sabonis/gafford
Naji/laravia
Murray/Martin
Keon/Monk
Ball/Carter

This is a team I could semi enjoy watching and hopefully get 45-50 wins if things break right

[FarBeyondDriven]

Few things we know
1. Vivek won't rebuild
2. Sabonis wants a pg
3. Perry doesn't like lavine

Lavine + 3-4 1sts for lamelo ball

Demar + jv for naji + Martin + gafford

Pray laravia comes back

Sabonis/gafford
Naji/laravia
Murray/Martin
Keon/Monk
Ball/Carter

This is a team I could semi enjoy watching and hopefully get 45-50 wins if things break right

I'd literally stop watching Kings basketball. That's a 30 win team with no future.

[LightTheBeam]

Few things we know
1. Vivek won't rebuild
2. Sabonis wants a pg
3. Perry doesn't like lavine

Lavine + 3-4 1sts for lamelo ball

Demar + jv for naji + Martin + gafford

Pray laravia comes back

Sabonis/gafford
Naji/laravia
Murray/Martin
Keon/Monk
Ball/Carter

This is a team I could semi enjoy watching and hopefully get 45-50 wins if things break right

I'd literally stop watching Kings basketball. That's a 30 win team with no future.

Respectfully disagree.

I mean I'd heavily favor selling off sabonis, derozan, monk, jv and letting zach tank command for 2 years. But I really highly doubt Vivek will sign off on that.

So with that in mind, look at all the playoff teams, they are loaded with size, defense, shooting. A bunch of things we do not have. Sabonis has played his best when he had multiple guards who can run pnr. Lamelo with 3&d players around sabonis is an amazing fit.

This would be an upgraded version of the 22-23 beam team.
Fox -> ball
Davion -> Carter
Huerter -> keon
Barnes -> naji
Len -> gafford
Davis - Martin
Lyles - laravia

It's a bigger team across the board, more shooting, and a bunch more defense.

[LightTheBeam]

Ty Jerome is a FA at the end of this year and it seems impossible for Cavs to bring him back. Nobody has cap space outside of Brooklyn. Doesn't seem like a ton of non-tax paying teams that could use him.

Having a hard time finding a home for Demar outside of Dallas bailing us out..
Orlando looks like a good option for Monk still. Isaac + a 1st?

MLE to Jerome
wink wink resign LaRavia (seems to be liking Sac, was at one of the card shows earlier in April)
Demar + 2nds for PJ + Martin
Monk for Isaac + a 1st

Jerome - LaVine - Keegan - PJ - Sabonis
Carter - Keon - Martin - Isaac - LaRavia - JV

If the team doesn't want to give up, this would be an interesting path.