Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[Tor_Raps]

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I believe he can only sign a 3 year extension if it's before the season ends and 4/5 in the offseason.

3/120 would be my guess if it's done now, hopefully there isn't a player option with that.

I'd be happy with 3/120 - w/ the 3rd year being a team option.

I feel like Masai & co. want to keep the books clear for 2027 FA when SGA becomes available.

Both RJ and Poelt come off the books that summer.

Please don't impact your current plans for 3 years down the road. Masai was stupid for doing it for Giannis and that was only 1 year away.

Things in the NBA change so much so you'd be crazy to do that, especially when all signs point to Shai staying with a potential dynasty in the making.

[dballislife]

i love what ingram brings us, but AD is still dominating but is just so injury prone, and ingrams injury issues are similar to AD.....he could be out at any moment, i hope we dont sign him for too much money

[LoveMyRaps]

i love what ingram brings us, but AD is still dominating but is just so injury prone, and ingrams injury issues are similar to AD.....he could be out at any moment, i hope we dont sign him for too much money

Pointed this out yesterday but Ingram's injuries are very different from AD.
AD gets a lot of non-contact injuries and easily hurt by minimal contact.

Ingram's injuries are just pure bad luck. Like he's been sidelined for months because Lu Dort flopped and decided to slip under Ingram causing him to land and turn his ankle.

[tsherkin]

i love what ingram brings us, but AD is still dominating but is just so injury prone, and ingrams injury issues are similar to AD.....he could be out at any moment, i hope we dont sign him for too much money

Pointed this out yesterday but Ingram's injuries are very different from AD.
AD gets a lot of non-contact injuries and easily hurt by minimal contact.

Ingram's injuries are just pure bad luck. Like he's been sidelined for months because Lu Dort flopped and decided to slip under Ingram causing him to land and turn his ankle.

Ultimately, he's been consequentially injured for all but one season of his career. The nature of the injuries stops mattering. Even if it's just bad luck, his is terrible, and the likelihood is that he will continue missing around 20 games per season.

[RapsFanInVA]

i love what ingram brings us, but AD is still dominating but is just so injury prone, and ingrams injury issues are similar to AD.....he could be out at any moment, i hope we dont sign him for too much money

Pointed this out yesterday but Ingram's injuries are very different from AD.
AD gets a lot of non-contact injuries and easily hurt by minimal contact.

Ingram's injuries are just pure bad luck. Like he's been sidelined for months because Lu Dort flopped and decided to slip under Ingram causing him to land and turn his ankle.

Ultimately, he's been consequentially injured for all but one season of his career. The nature of the injuries stops mattering. Even if it's just bad luck, his is terrible, and the likelihood is that he will continue missing around 20 games per season.

Our organization literally invented "load management." That wasn't a term until Kawhi joined the Raptors. We're still the only franchise to successfully manage Kawhi's load. BI's injury trend is concerning, but there's a small amount of upside that our staff can tweak some things to keep him healthy or cut down on recovery time after inevitable injuries. Also, if we become a playoff contender and not deep in throes of an obvious tank job I have a feeling BI's injuries will magically become less severe.

[tsherkin]

Our organization literally invented "load management."

No we didn't. San Antonio called and would like to remind you of their existence, lol. They might not have used the term, but they described the principle to a T.

We're still the only franchise to successfully manage Kawhi's load.

Because we had him for a single season, and he played 60 games. He played that or more for the Spurs 5 times.

BI's injury trend is concerning, but there's a small amount of upside that our staff can tweak some things to keep him healthy or cut down on recovery time after inevitable injuries. Also, if we become a playoff contender and not deep in throes of an obvious tank job I have a feeling BI's injuries will magically become less severe.

Maybe. Doubtful.

[ArthurVandelay]

i love what ingram brings us, but AD is still dominating but is just so injury prone, and ingrams injury issues are similar to AD.....he could be out at any moment, i hope we dont sign him for too much money

Pointed this out yesterday but Ingram's injuries are very different from AD.
AD gets a lot of non-contact injuries and easily hurt by minimal contact.

Ingram's injuries are just pure bad luck. Like he's been sidelined for months because Lu Dort flopped and decided to slip under Ingram causing him to land and turn his ankle.

Another issue is how cheap the Pelicans organization is. They've had minimal investment in sports science. I can only imagine the difference Toronto will be for Ingram in comparison to NO.

[dballislife]

i would put ingram on a 30 min restriction with no back to backs for the rest of his career

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I believe he can only sign a 3 year extension if it's before the season ends and 4/5 in the offseason.

3/120 would be my guess if it's done now, hopefully there isn't a player option with that.

I don't think off season is an extension, it's a new contract entirely with him being a UFA and us having his bird rights. I might be wrong if I'm missing something.

[RapsFanInVA]

Our organization literally invented "load management."

No we didn't. San Antonio called and would like to remind you of their existence, lol. They might not have used the term, but they described the principle to a T.

We're still the only franchise to successfully manage Kawhi's load.

Because we had him for a single season, and he played 60 games. He played that or more for the Spurs 5 times.

BI's injury trend is concerning, but there's a small amount of upside that our staff can tweak some things to keep him healthy or cut down on recovery time after inevitable injuries. Also, if we become a playoff contender and not deep in throes of an obvious tank job I have a feeling BI's injuries will magically become less severe.

Maybe. Doubtful.

The Spurs traded Kawhi because they told him he was healthy and he told them he was not healthy. That was the #1 listed reason why the Spurs traded their franchise cornerstone. I wouldn't describe watching your star play 9 games then trading him away when he refused to suit up as the same principle we employed. They did NOT manage his load!

"DNP - load management" was coined during his Raptors tenure. It never showed up on the official injury report before us. Clearly the Raptors created a plan with Kawhi's camp that worked. We get credit for inventing the term.

60 regular season games + 24 postseason games = 84 games for the Raptors and a championship. Not sure why you're counting all Kawhi's early seasons with the Spurs before his chronic quad/knee tendinopathy issue arose in 2017???? There was no load to manage until 2017-18 when he played 9 games and never suited up for Spurs again. There have been 7 seasons since then.

19-20: 57 regular season + 13 playoff games
20-21: 52 regular sason games + 11 playoff games (tears ACL)
21-22: missed entire season due to injury
22-23: 52 regular season games + 2 playoff games (tears meniscus)
23-24: 68 regular season games...but misses the final 8 regular season games and misses 3 of 5 playoff games including the elimination game against the Mavs
24-25: has played in 14 of 52 regular season games.

We are an outlier! We're did something right with Kawhi that the Spurs and Clippers were unable to achieve. So I'll choose to remain optimistic that we can work some magic with Brandon Ingram.

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[Pointgod]

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I believe he can only sign a 3 year extension if it's before the season ends and 4/5 in the offseason.

3/120 would be my guess if it's done now, hopefully there isn't a player option with that.

I don't think off season is an extension, it's a new contract entirely with him being a UFA and us having his bird rights. I might be wrong if I'm missing something.

You’re right. The most we can extend him for is 3 for 144. In the offseason it’s a new contract that can go up to 4 years, but not sure what the max is. It’s under 200 million he was seeking from the Pelicans for sure.

[ArthurVandelay]

I believe he can only sign a 3 year extension if it's before the season ends and 4/5 in the offseason.

3/120 would be my guess if it's done now, hopefully there isn't a player option with that.

I don't think off season is an extension, it's a new contract entirely with him being a UFA and us having his bird rights. I might be wrong if I'm missing something.

You’re right. The most we can extend him for is 3 for 144. In the offseason it’s a new contract that can go up to 4 years, but not sure what the max is. It’s under 200 million he was seeking from the Pelicans for sure.

Other teams can offer up to 4 years.

Raptors with his Bird Rights can offer up to 5.

[tsherkin]

The Spurs traded Kawhi because they told him he was healthy and he told them he was not healthy. That was the #1 listed reason why the Spurs traded their franchise cornerstone. I wouldn't describe watching your star play 9 games then trading him away when he refused to suit up as the same principle we employed. They did NOT manage his load!

I mean, I was referring to Duncan for years and years prior to that when I was speaking of them load managing.

"DNP - load management" was coined during his Raptors tenure.

Right but the Spurs were managing Duncan well before that.

We are an outlier! We're did something right with Kawhi that the Spurs and Clippers were unable to achieve.

Can't say I agree. He played 82 and 84 games with the Spurs in 2016 and 2017. We got lucky, is what we got.

[aminiaturebuddha]

i love what ingram brings us, but AD is still dominating but is just so injury prone, and ingrams injury issues are similar to AD.....he could be out at any moment, i hope we dont sign him for too much money

Pointed this out yesterday but Ingram's injuries are very different from AD.
AD gets a lot of non-contact injuries and easily hurt by minimal contact.

Ingram's injuries are just pure bad luck. Like he's been sidelined for months because Lu Dort flopped and decided to slip under Ingram causing him to land and turn his ankle.

Ultimately, he's been consequentially injured for all but one season of his career. The nature of the injuries stops mattering. Even if it's just bad luck, his is terrible, and the likelihood is that he will continue missing around 20 games per season.

It's perfectly fair to be concerned about Ingram's injury history. It's definitely something I'm slightly worried about and will be a big factor in determining the success or failure of this trade. But I'm not sure it's accurate to say that he was "consequentially injured" every season but one. I assume your exception is his rookie season.

Keep in mind that 2019-20 and 2020-21 were both only 72 game seasons. So Ingram's 62 and 61 games played those seasons is more like 70 in a regular season. That's actually pretty standard these days (and especially in those years when you count in Covid illnesses and precautionary protocols). Take a look, for example, at the All-NBA teams from those years. Most of the players played a number of games in the low 60s. I doubt anyone would say they were all consequentially injured those years.

[tsherkin]

It's perfectly fair to be concerned about Ingram's injury history. It's definitely something I'm slightly worried about and will be a big factor in determining the success or failure of this trade. But I'm not sure it's accurate to say that he was "consequentially injured" every season but one. I assume your exception is his rookie season.

When I say "consequentially," I"m specifically speaking of games-missed. And yes, his rookie season is the exception.

Keep in mind that 2019-20 and 2020-21 were both only 72 game seasons. So Ingram's 62 and 61 games played those seasons is more like 70 in a regular season. That's actually pretty standard these days (and especially in those years when you count in Covid illnesses and precautionary protocols). Take a look, for example, at the All-NBA teams from those years. Most of the players played a number of games in the low 60s. I doubt anyone would say they were all consequentially injured those years.

Nah, I've addressed this already. He has missed an actual average of 19.875 games. That's noting the shortened seasons. He's played an average of 75% of games, which is 61.5 games over an 82-game season.

He misses a lot of games, and the Covid seasons don't actually change that.

He's likely to miss a lot of games for us, and given the nature of our roster, that's going to be a huge problem.

The HOPE is, that while he's here, he'll do enough to bolster our offense that we'll win enough that we can survive the 20 games or so he's apt to miss.

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It's perfectly fair to be concerned about Ingram's injury history. It's definitely something I'm slightly worried about and will be a big factor in determining the success or failure of this trade. But I'm not sure it's accurate to say that he was "consequentially injured" every season but one. I assume your exception is his rookie season.

When I say "consequentially," I"m specifically speaking of games-missed. And yes, his rookie season is the exception.

Keep in mind that 2019-20 and 2020-21 were both only 72 game seasons. So Ingram's 62 and 61 games played those seasons is more like 70 in a regular season. That's actually pretty standard these days (and especially in those years when you count in Covid illnesses and precautionary protocols). Take a look, for example, at the All-NBA teams from those years. Most of the players played a number of games in the low 60s. I doubt anyone would say they were all consequentially injured those years.

Nah, I've addressed this already. He has missed an actual average of 19.875 games. That's noting the shortened seasons. He's played an average of 75% of games, which is 61.5 games over an 82-game season.

He misses a lot of games, and the Covid seasons don't actually change that.

He's likely to miss a lot of games for us, and given the nature of our roster, that's going to be a huge problem.

The HOPE is, that while he's here, he'll do enough to bolster our offense that we'll win enough that we can survive the 20 games or so he's apt to miss.

Havent all his injuries been related though? I could've sworn he's had like 3-4 bad ankle injuries.

[HumbleRen]

i love what ingram brings us, but AD is still dominating but is just so injury prone, and ingrams injury issues are similar to AD.....he could be out at any moment, i hope we dont sign him for too much money

Pointed this out yesterday but Ingram's injuries are very different from AD.
AD gets a lot of non-contact injuries and easily hurt by minimal contact.

Ingram's injuries are just pure bad luck. Like he's been sidelined for months because Lu Dort flopped and decided to slip under Ingram causing him to land and turn his ankle.

Injuries are still injuries though. OG has a bunch of odd injuries but it still makes him injury prone. I think it’s fair to be pretty concerned with Ingram’s availability. NOLA is a second rate organization though, Raps are banking on their medical staff to change the narrative on Ingram.

[LoveMyRaps]

i love what ingram brings us, but AD is still dominating but is just so injury prone, and ingrams injury issues are similar to AD.....he could be out at any moment, i hope we dont sign him for too much money

Pointed this out yesterday but Ingram's injuries are very different from AD.
AD gets a lot of non-contact injuries and easily hurt by minimal contact.

Ingram's injuries are just pure bad luck. Like he's been sidelined for months because Lu Dort flopped and decided to slip under Ingram causing him to land and turn his ankle.

Injuries are still injuries though. OG has a bunch of odd injuries but it still makes him injury prone. I think it’s fair to be pretty concerned with Ingram’s availability. NOLA is a second rate organization though, Raps are banking on their medical staff to change the narrative on Ingram.

Oh ya for sure. Not suggesting Ingram isn't injury prone. Just stating that he's had a string of bad luck. And as you highlighted, Pels have a terrible medical staff so I'm hopeful the Raps can get him right.

[JB7]

I believe he can only sign a 3 year extension if it's before the season ends and 4/5 in the offseason.

3/120 would be my guess if it's done now, hopefully there isn't a player option with that.

I don't think off season is an extension, it's a new contract entirely with him being a UFA and us having his bird rights. I might be wrong if I'm missing something.

You’re right. The most we can extend him for is 3 for 144. In the offseason it’s a new contract that can go up to 4 years, but not sure what the max is. It’s under 200 million he was seeking from the Pelicans for sure.

Maybe that is why they are talking extension now. BI wants max, and all teams were reluctant to do that. Maybe a max on a 3 year extension is more digestible. See how he performs over the next 3 seasons, plus those would probably be his peak years (28-30).