PG Sixers - Bucks Roll Without Connaughton

[paulpressey25]

Pros: Kuzma really does have elite tier role-player potential and I'm starting to see the vision. Maybe it's just refreshing having a 6'9 dude who can move his feet and do athletic tweener stuff, but it opens up so much more defensive flexibility for us when we have another PF type body like him..

Where do you see Kuzma v. Larry Nance Jr. I think Kuzma is better. but we'll see.

[Bernman]

Where do you see Kuzma v. Larry Nance Jr. I think Kuzma is better. but we'll see.

That's the thing; the Bucks could have gotten most of the refreshing things he brings on the cheap. It didn't require conceding a guy who just last postseason averaged an efficient 25/9/5, which Kuz can never dream of. We could have still dreamed of it.

In addition we lost a prospect we just took a "big swing" on 6 months ago & a nominal pick swap. Plus there were other ways to get under the apron (the main benefit of which was to add more talent we didn't), like shedding moderate salary in multiple moves.

I like the idea of a Kuz reclamation project. But for Khris vs. Brook, Kuz moves up to 3rd option, who's 2nd when 1 of our stars are often out. That means forced shot creation. And it's worse cuz of the bad habits this yr it may take time to weed out.

[Ron Swanson]

Pros: Kuzma really does have elite tier role-player potential and I'm starting to see the vision. Maybe it's just refreshing having a 6'9 dude who can move his feet and do athletic tweener stuff, but it opens up so much more defensive flexibility for us when we have another PF type body like him..

Where do you see Kuzma v. Larry Nance Jr. I think Kuzma is better. but we'll see.

Kuzma's obviously better because he's more positionally versatile. The "he's solid but not great at anything" mantra applies here. You could play both these dudes together though, which is why I still would have liked to trade for both. Horst likely thought he couldn't part with Bobby's shot-making after the Khris trade, and TBF I'm skeptical that Nance can maintain this kind of shooting production (45% from 3 on 6.1 attempts per-36, vs. his career average of 35% on 2.0 attempts). Feels like taking a flier on Jericho Sims then became the compromise option.

[higharc]

Cuzma cannot be the sole offense initiator as Middleton was, but he does initiate better than our other role players with the pick n roll and the offense has a good flow when with Khris it stuck a little, unless it was a lob to Giannis.

[ABucksFan]

A nice 43 points on 14-27 FG and 8-15 from three for a "rich man's Mo Williams."

Hold up, who called dame a rich mans Mo williams?

[emunney]

We've got 7 games left on Rollins before he has to be converted to continue playing with the Bucks, by my count (50 max active games, 35 played, 8 active DNPs). Provided he's active for every game going forward, and we don't do it early, his last game before he's converted will be 2/27 against the Nuggets. Right around the corner.

[paulpressey25]

A nice 43 points on 14-27 FG and 8-15 from three for a "rich man's Mo Williams."

Hold up, who called dame a rich mans Mo williams?

Right here dude!

[Bernman]

Mo Williams' career high was 52 pts, on 19-33 shooting. So I guess by that measure Dame's a poor man's Mo Williams.

[JayMKE]

Rollins has look like JAG since he hurt his shoulder imo

[Turk Nowitzki]

Rollins has look like JAG since he hurt his shoulder imo

He'll show glimpses of being more than that every so often. Enough to justify keeping him around for sure.

[MiltownMadness]

Mo Williams' career high was 52 pts, on 19-33 shooting. So I guess by that measure Dame's a poor man's Mo Williams.

[MickeyDavis]

It's too bad we can't wait to see how Rollins is after his surgery before making a decision.

[-Jragon-]

Pros: Kuzma really does have elite tier role-player potential and I'm starting to see the vision. Maybe it's just refreshing having a 6'9 dude who can move his feet and do athletic tweener stuff, but it opens up so much more defensive flexibility for us when we have another PF type body like him.

Cons: He's an even worse shot-creator/finisher than I expected. I honestly have no clue how he was able to put up 20+ for two consecutive seasons even at sub-average efficiency. He's an underrated passer/dribbler and can attack a closeout adequately enough, but it's an adventure every time he tries to shoot it off the bounce. That's where we're gonna miss Khris the most, cuz I already don't have much faith that you can rely on Kuz to be any sort of consistent playoff scorer.

Welcome to the dark side seeing the vision.

But no we won't miss Khris because the ball is popping around to open shooters anyways which is better than contested shots (especially long 2s). Bonus that Kuz isn't washed physically and can stay in front of guys. That block he had when he blocked that guy's layup or dunk was like something Giannis would do.

[-Jragon-]

I wish Giannis would learn from this that giving the ball back to Dame on a give and go is like it's own, whole offensive set because it gets him the ball while in motion but in a triple threat position (shoot, dribble, pass for non -players) and I don't know what's more dangerous than Dame in a triple threat.. when the D stays back and waited for a drive he burned the net, if he leaned forward expecting a shot Dame got in the lane for "and 1s" ... Dame's triple threat is always threatening 3 and sometimes even 4 points -- it's ridiculous we don't use him like that when GA is in and he thinks it's the MVP show when he's only threatening 2 points and sometimes only 1 since he misses FTs. Dame's give and go is a cheat code and as he heats up, late in the game everyone is open and he starts picking them apart with assists. Giannis just do it.. defer more and then take over in spots as they overfocus on Dame.

Being clear, what I see when Giannis is in is teams force the ball from Dame's hands and he usually doesn't get it back (because they know that Giannis will score or get fouled but it's only 1 or 2 points and they can stay close -- whereas if Dame gets hot the game is over early). With Giannis out they still force it out of his hands but the team often gives it right back and now he's in a triple threat which is dangerous anywhere on the court.

Sad part is, Giannis won't learn this. If Dame is forced to pass, he takes it as a sign from the Universe that it's meant to be that he go 1v3 and try to score and get that MVP, which won't happen anyways.

[Bernman]

Mo Williams' career high was 52 pts, on 19-33 shooting. So I guess by that measure Dame's a poor man's Mo Williams.

I knew some homer would come up w/ that irrational response. Not surprising it was you.

It wasn't my opinion from the wink, rather following the logic Mo Williams couldn't put up the line from this game. And it even said "rich man's Mo Williams", which means better than, to which degree is ambiguous. Follow along!

[-Jragon-]

Mo Williams' career high was 52 pts, on 19-33 shooting. So I guess by that measure Dame's a poor man's Mo Williams.

I knew some homer would come up w/ that irrational response. Not surprising it was you.

It wasn't my opinion from the wink, rather following the logic Mo Williams couldn't put up the line from this game. And it even said "rich man's Mo Williams", which means better than, to which degree is ambiguous. Follow along!

(Directed to people who hold this opinion)

Mo Williams isn't even 5% of Dame's left nutsack.. embarrassing to even mention them in the same sentence...

one of the best ever vs a journeyman... let's keep it going though

Plumlee is a poor man's Shaq
Stephen Jackson is a poor man's Kobe
MCW is a poor man's Magic

[MiltownMadness]

Mo Williams' career high was 52 pts, on 19-33 shooting. So I guess by that measure Dame's a poor man's Mo Williams.

I knew some homer would come up w/ that irrational response. Not surprising it was you.

It wasn't my opinion from the wink, rather following the logic Mo Williams couldn't put up the line from this game. And it even said "rich man's Mo Williams", which means better than, to which degree is ambiguous. Follow along!

Its really never this serious

[BigO]

I think this is mainly the Kuzma we can expect going forward. An inefficient scorer(5/13 today), solid rebounder(8 boards), decent passer(5 assists), and somewhat turnover prone(3 turnovers)

Basically I think was a typical Kuzma game most nights

volume scorer but must be respected at all times anywhere on the floor with the ball. he shifts defenses
solid rebounder and most importantly can rebound in traffic
decent and WILLING passer
standard turnover level for somebody trying to play make at his size
HUGE defensive addition capable of guarding 1-5 on ball somewhat effectively with size

hopefully he becomes a better team defender as it relates to rotations.....and with giannis on the floor becomes more efficient offensively

His assist to turnover rate is bad, not standard. 2.7 assists to 2.1 turnovers.

if the other team has an "inefficient volume scorer, I don't respect that player and turn my defense somewhere else.

Do I want to respect a 28% 3 point shooter? No, I want him to shoot rather than someone who is more efficient.

The thing that I remember with Kuzma is that he's not a bad shooter, but he takes bad shots.

He hasn't been that efficient over his career, but his time in DC was a disaster. Hopefully, with better teammates, he'll improve, although his free throw shooting this year is in Giannis territory.

[tedbrogen]

It's too bad we can't wait to see how Rollins is after his surgery before making a decision.

But if it’s a four year deal and all three subsequent years are non-guaranteed, what’s the harm? They could give him away or cut him next year if he comes back after surgery and doesn’t get better.

Who is he blocking them from signing this season? Bones? Bamba?