The Clipper General Board w/Random Thoughts, Youth Development, Ex Clippers Shinin', etc. Extravaganza

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[Ballings7]

The numbers/stats you brought up, is that his G League numbers or the numbers he put up during his sparse few games he was with on the main team? Really only judge stats for at least a full season in the NBA. For the record I wanted BBJ and Moussa to get one more year with us with PG, Westbrook, and Plumlee leaving. I was also happy we were getting Kai Jones. I didn't care for the Mo Bamba signing at all. He's been on a different team each year and doesn't seem to love the game. His time with us played out just like how I thought it would.

Those stats are from this year with the Hornets.

If you wanted to keep Moussa and BBJ, that's fine. But two of these 3 would have to go.

Jordan Miller: A 6'5" small forward, Miller was selected by the Clippers with the 48th overall pick in the 2023 NBA Draft. He signed a two-way contract with the team on August 7, 2023.
en.wikipedia.org

Trentyn Flowers: Standing at 6'9", Flowers is a small forward who joined the Clippers on a two-way deal on July 25, 2024.
en.wikipedia.org

Kai Jones: A 6'11" forward/center, Jones re-signed with the Clippers on July 9, 2024, and his contract was converted to a two-way deal on October 19, 2024.

Okay, yeah Moussa is not a three point shooter at all.. Not yet anyways. Plus he's getting a ton of offensive rebounds and kicking them back out to three point shooters so him not being a three point threat isn't a liability for the team. Hell Zu won't even take a three pointer or even a mid range jumper even though I wish he would.

With that list, and not signing Mo Bamba which I wish they hadn't done, only one guy has to go between BBJ and Moussa. Three two-ways and one standard contract. Who would get the standard contract is the question. And between BBJ and Moussa, you'd have to go with Moussa as athletic bigs is sorely needed over another wing.

I'd like to see Zubac in time mix in a 3PT jumper here and there.. not like Brook Lopez volume/style, but kind of like Marc and Pau Gasol would at times. Throw the defense off with a corner three or a center arc three. Paint offense still the main thing, just would expand his game a bit.

[esqtvd]

The numbers/stats you brought up, is that his G League numbers or the numbers he put up during his sparse few games he was with on the main team? Really only judge stats for at least a full season in the NBA. For the record I wanted BBJ and Moussa to get one more year with us with PG, Westbrook, and Plumlee leaving. I was also happy we were getting Kai Jones. I didn't care for the Mo Bamba signing at all. He's been on a different team each year and doesn't seem to love the game. His time with us played out just like how I thought it would.

Those stats are from this year with the Hornets.

If you wanted to keep Moussa and BBJ, that's fine. But two of these 3 would have to go.

Jordan Miller: A 6'5" small forward, Miller was selected by the Clippers with the 48th overall pick in the 2023 NBA Draft. He signed a two-way contract with the team on August 7, 2023.
en.wikipedia.org

Trentyn Flowers: Standing at 6'9", Flowers is a small forward who joined the Clippers on a two-way deal on July 25, 2024.
en.wikipedia.org

Kai Jones: A 6'11" forward/center, Jones re-signed with the Clippers on July 9, 2024, and his contract was converted to a two-way deal on October 19, 2024.

Okay, yeah Moussa is not a three point shooter at all.. Not yet anyways. Plus he's getting a ton of offensive rebounds and kicking them back out to three point shooters so him not being a three point threat isn't a liability for the team. Hell Zu won't even take a three pointer or even a mid range jumper even though I wish he would.

With that list, and not signing Mo Bamba which I wish they hadn't done, only one guy has to go between BBJ and Moussa. Three two-ways and one standard contract. Who would get the standard contract is the question. And between BBJ and Moussa, you'd have to go with Moussa as athletic bigs is sorely needed over another wing.

If you poke back through the years, I liked Moussa very early. I said he was tall and tended to stand in the right place and had a good motor. But we're talking about a very low ceiling here. He has no skills and at 6'9" and 210 lbs, a questionable NBA body for a 5. And if you can't shoot--and he can't, not a lick over 3 feet from the basket--you're really not a 21st century 4.

The Clippers went another way. Moussa is not a playoff rotation player, and that's the criterion. They took a flyer on Bamba and at least admitted their mistake and kicked him to the curb.

[Captain Ballmer]

Moussa is in his 3rd year. He looks sharper, more agile and confident than we have seen in his first 2 years.

I remember, BJ Boston, one of our previous favorites in this thread, also showcased big part of his improvement happened only after in his 4th year and plays like he belongs in the NBA.

Another first round pick, Keon, who hasn't spent much time with us, is also in his 4th year and is playing like he has figured something out with the Nets.

What I want to summarize is that we shouldn't judge these kids based on their performances in their first 2 years or our FO for their draft choices. The NBA talent pool has improved so much with the last generation that it has become very difficult to be an average NBA player. The share of talent has decreased, it is necessary to work with professional coaches in many areas such as health, nutrition and shooting rather than spending 1 year in college.

Keon, Moussa and Boston have not had unnatural athleticism or freaky measurements, they had to learn and did so, looks like they just finished getting NBA fitness, strengthening their core muscles like a wrestler to be able to stand on defense, reducing the risk of injuries and trimming body fats for agility. Their shooting mechanics looks improved. College kids are just becoming professional athletes, now is the harvest time for them.

The lesson for the Clippers and us is, let's hope Cam Christie, Flowers, Koby Brown continue to work dedicatedly and their first 2 years should be more about measuring their off-court professionalism, body changes, mechanics and discipline rather than on-court contributions based on raw shooting & athleticism. Hopefully they can leave that stupid rule of giving them 3-4 years of guaranteed contracts and use 2-ways for their 2nd rd selections. Convert them when they ready without sulking them for roster spots & trade casualties. Once you get guaranteed contracts, your trajectory changes as well as the expectations and season is long an 15 men are not that many sometimes.

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[esqtvd]

Moussa is in his 3rd year. He looks sharper, more agile and confident than we have seen in his first 2 years.

I remember, BJ Boston, one of our previous favorites in this thread, also showcased big part of his improvement happened only after in his 4th year and plays like he belongs in the NBA.

Another first round pick, Keon, who hasn't spent much time with us, is also in his 4th year and is playing like he has figured something out with the Nets.

What I want to summarize is that we shouldn't judge these kids based on their performances in their first 2 years or our FO for their draft choices. The NBA talent pool has improved so much with the last generation that it has become very difficult to be an average NBA player. The share of talent has decreased, it is necessary to work with professional coaches in many areas such as health, nutrition and shooting rather than spending 1 year in college.

Keon, Moussa and Boston have not had unnatural athleticism or freaky measurements, they had to learn and did so, looks like they just finished getting NBA fitness, strengthening their core muscles like a wrestler to be able to stand on defense, reducing the risk of injuries and trimming body fats for agility. Their shooting mechanics looks improved. College kids are just becoming professional athletes, now is the harvest time for them.

The lesson for the Clippers and us is, let's hope Cam Christie, Flowers, Koby Brown continue to work dedicatedly and their first 2 years should be more about measuring their off-court professionalism, body changes, mechanics and discipline rather than on-court contributions based on raw shooting & athleticism. Hopefully they can leave that stupid rule of giving them 3-4 years of guaranteed contracts and use 2-ways for their 2nd rd selections. Convert them when they ready without sulking them for roster spots & trade casualties. Once you get guaranteed contracts, your trajectory changes as well as the expectations and season is long an 15 men are not that many sometimes.

What you're describing is when a young player realizes he's not going to be a star and changes his attitude, goals and his game toward becoming a journeyman. "Journeyman" is no insult. A 10-year NBA career still makes you one of the best basketball players on the planet, and at the minimums of $3-5 million a year is still a pretty penny.

And in T-Mann's case, $15M a year. Not bad for a mid-second round tweener with average skills at best.

[Clemenza]

Those stats are from this year with the Hornets.

If you wanted to keep Moussa and BBJ, that's fine. But two of these 3 would have to go.

Jordan Miller: A 6'5" small forward, Miller was selected by the Clippers with the 48th overall pick in the 2023 NBA Draft. He signed a two-way contract with the team on August 7, 2023.
en.wikipedia.org

Trentyn Flowers: Standing at 6'9", Flowers is a small forward who joined the Clippers on a two-way deal on July 25, 2024.
en.wikipedia.org

Kai Jones: A 6'11" forward/center, Jones re-signed with the Clippers on July 9, 2024, and his contract was converted to a two-way deal on October 19, 2024.

Okay, yeah Moussa is not a three point shooter at all.. Not yet anyways. Plus he's getting a ton of offensive rebounds and kicking them back out to three point shooters so him not being a three point threat isn't a liability for the team. Hell Zu won't even take a three pointer or even a mid range jumper even though I wish he would.

With that list, and not signing Mo Bamba which I wish they hadn't done, only one guy has to go between BBJ and Moussa. Three two-ways and one standard contract. Who would get the standard contract is the question. And between BBJ and Moussa, you'd have to go with Moussa as athletic bigs is sorely needed over another wing.

If you poke back through the years, I liked Moussa very early. I said he was tall and tended to stand in the right place and had a good motor. But we're talking about a very low ceiling here. He has no skills and at 6'9" and 210 lbs, a questionable NBA body for a 5. And if you can't shoot--and he can't, not a lick over 3 feet from the basket--you're really not a 21st century 4.

The Clippers went another way. Moussa is not a playoff rotation player, and that's the criterion. They took a flyer on Bamba and at least admitted their mistake and kicked him to the curb.

Clipps f*cked up period. Keep hating away. You're assessment is from his rookie year, not now. You act like players don't improve. You had to dig up his 3 point shot attempts to discredit him, but yes, he's not a shooter he's a hybrid type in between the 4 and a 5.You gloated over Bamba like crazy now's he's not even in the NBA let alone on another team. Didn't even last until All Star break. And now it looks like Eubanks is injured. Who's #4 on the tryout list for backup center? Ben Simmons? Your shtick is not working on Moussa bro, let it go and move on! Just be happy for the kid. He wasn't handed none of this sh*t and worked his azz off to get where he's at. No more two-way contract either, which was another thing you held over him. Now you're saying "he's not a playoff rotation player". Back to goal post moving as usual. Disgusting! But now its official, The Mouse is loose in Charlotte!

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[Clemenza]

Moussa is in his 3rd year. He looks sharper, more agile and confident than we have seen in his first 2 years.

I remember, BJ Boston, one of our previous favorites in this thread, also showcased big part of his improvement happened only after in his 4th year and plays like he belongs in the NBA.

Another first round pick, Keon, who hasn't spent much time with us, is also in his 4th year and is playing like he has figured something out with the Nets.

What I want to summarize is that we shouldn't judge these kids based on their performances in their first 2 years or our FO for their draft choices. The NBA talent pool has improved so much with the last generation that it has become very difficult to be an average NBA player. The share of talent has decreased, it is necessary to work with professional coaches in many areas such as health, nutrition and shooting rather than spending 1 year in college.

Keon, Moussa and Boston have not had unnatural athleticism or freaky measurements, they had to learn and did so, looks like they just finished getting NBA fitness, strengthening their core muscles like a wrestler to be able to stand on defense, reducing the risk of injuries and trimming body fats for agility. Their shooting mechanics looks improved. College kids are just becoming professional athletes, now is the harvest time for them.

The lesson for the Clippers and us is, let's hope Cam Christie, Flowers, Koby Brown continue to work dedicatedly and their first 2 years should be more about measuring their off-court professionalism, body changes, mechanics and discipline rather than on-court contributions based on raw shooting & athleticism. Hopefully they can leave that stupid rule of giving them 3-4 years of guaranteed contracts and use 2-ways for their 2nd rd selections. Convert them when they ready without sulking them for roster spots & trade casualties. Once you get guaranteed contracts, your trajectory changes as well as the expectations and season is long an 15 men are not that many sometimes.

Good post. Bones Hyland is a good example. All the offensive talent in the world, but never worked on his body on bit. Came into camp skinnier and lighter every single season and never thought about changing his game to more traditional "run the offense-shoot sparingly" type point guard which would've kept him around much longer. BBJ worked on his defense, learned to find the open man-make the extra pass, and stayed working on his jump shot. Moussa got twice as strong and went all in-doubled down on rebounding, defense, dunks within' five feet of the rim, dirty work, and pure hustle. No three point shot, but a diet Dennis Rodman type with a high motor that coaches and teammates love.

I hope there's another year for Kobe and we pick up his team option for next year. Max Christie is starting to turn into something special for the Lakers/now Mavs and Cam Christie is supposedly the better brother. Will Ty Lue eventually "unlock him" and Trentyn Flowers or will they put 3-4 vets over them and yank them after one missed shot when they do see action on the floor? Trentyn We'll see.

[Ballings7]

Great stuff for the Moussa campaign

[esqtvd]

Okay, yeah Moussa is not a three point shooter at all.. Not yet anyways. Plus he's getting a ton of offensive rebounds and kicking them back out to three point shooters so him not being a three point threat isn't a liability for the team. Hell Zu won't even take a three pointer or even a mid range jumper even though I wish he would.

With that list, and not signing Mo Bamba which I wish they hadn't done, only one guy has to go between BBJ and Moussa. Three two-ways and one standard contract. Who would get the standard contract is the question. And between BBJ and Moussa, you'd have to go with Moussa as athletic bigs is sorely needed over another wing.

If you poke back through the years, I liked Moussa very early. I said he was tall and tended to stand in the right place and had a good motor. But we're talking about a very low ceiling here. He has no skills and at 6'9" and 210 lbs, a questionable NBA body for a 5. And if you can't shoot--and he can't, not a lick over 3 feet from the basket--you're really not a 21st century 4.

The Clippers went another way. Moussa is not a playoff rotation player, and that's the criterion. They took a flyer on Bamba and at least admitted their mistake and kicked him to the curb.

Clipps f*cked up period. Keep hating away. You're assessment is from his rookie year, not now. You act like players don't improve. You had to dig up his 3 point shot attempts to discredit him, but yes, he's not a shooter he's a hybrid type in between the 4 and a 5.You gloated over Bamba like crazy now's he's not even in the NBA let alone on another team. Didn't even last until All Star break. And now it looks like Eubanks is injured. Who's #4 on the tryout list for backup center? Ben Simmons? Your shtick is not working on Moussa bro, let it go and move on! Just be happy for the kid. He wasn't handed none of this sh*t and worked his azz off to get where he's at. No more two-way contract either, which was another thing you held over him. Now you're saying "he's not a playoff rotation player". Back to goal post moving as usual. Disgusting! But now its official, The Mouse is loose in Charlotte!

No need to get nasty. No need to get personal. And it's you who are hating, on the Clippers org.

As for Moussa, we'll see. He can rebound and play some D, apparently. But he has no offensive game at all, which is why the Clips gave up on him. I mean, none at all. 21% on anything over 3 feet. A basket case franchise like Charlotte can bear that and hope he improves, but there's no serious rotation minutes on a good team trying to win.

And Ben Simmons IS better in every way. The FO looks like a million bucks with their moves to get under the first apron so they can sign buyouts. The goalposts remain where they've been all year.

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[Clemenza]

If you poke back through the years, I liked Moussa very early. I said he was tall and tended to stand in the right place and had a good motor. But we're talking about a very low ceiling here. He has no skills and at 6'9" and 210 lbs, a questionable NBA body for a 5. And if you can't shoot--and he can't, not a lick over 3 feet from the basket--you're really not a 21st century 4.

The Clippers went another way. Moussa is not a playoff rotation player, and that's the criterion. They took a flyer on Bamba and at least admitted their mistake and kicked him to the curb.

Clipps f*cked up period. Keep hating away. You're assessment is from his rookie year, not now. You act like players don't improve. You had to dig up his 3 point shot attempts to discredit him, but yes, he's not a shooter he's a hybrid type in between the 4 and a 5.You gloated over Bamba like crazy now's he's not even in the NBA let alone on another team. Didn't even last until All Star break. And now it looks like Eubanks is injured. Who's #4 on the tryout list for backup center? Ben Simmons? Your shtick is not working on Moussa bro, let it go and move on! Just be happy for the kid. He wasn't handed none of this sh*t and worked his azz off to get where he's at. No more two-way contract either, which was another thing you held over him. Now you're saying "he's not a playoff rotation player". Back to goal post moving as usual. Disgusting! But now its official, The Mouse is loose in Charlotte!

No need to get nasty. No need to get personal. And it's you who are hating, on the Clippers org.

As for Moussa, we'll see. He can rebound and play some D, apparently. But he has no offensive game at all, which is why the Clips gave up on him. I mean, none at all. 21% on anything over 3 feet. A basket case franchise like Charlotte can bear that and hope he improves, but there's no serious rotation minutes on a good team trying to win.

And Ben Simmons IS better in every way. The FO looks like a million bucks with their moves to get under the first apron so they can sign buyouts. The goalposts remain where they've been all year.

Never got personal or nasty. Just calling it like it is. You couldn't even congratulate the man on surviving and getting a multiple year contract. Instead you doubled and tripled down on the hate and moved the goalposts and gave out new stipulations saying "Oh but he's not shooting threes and not a playoff rotation player." That's pure unadulterated hate at its finest. And now you standing on a soap box and yelling out Ben Simmons name? Did you get Ben Simmons to LA personally? What did Moussa do to you personally? Congratulate the man!!

And congrats on the Superbowl win. You at how easy that is.

[esqtvd]

Clipps f*cked up period. Keep hating away. You're assessment is from his rookie year, not now. You act like players don't improve. You had to dig up his 3 point shot attempts to discredit him, but yes, he's not a shooter he's a hybrid type in between the 4 and a 5.You gloated over Bamba like crazy now's he's not even in the NBA let alone on another team. Didn't even last until All Star break. And now it looks like Eubanks is injured. Who's #4 on the tryout list for backup center? Ben Simmons? Your shtick is not working on Moussa bro, let it go and move on! Just be happy for the kid. He wasn't handed none of this sh*t and worked his azz off to get where he's at. No more two-way contract either, which was another thing you held over him. Now you're saying "he's not a playoff rotation player". Back to goal post moving as usual. Disgusting! But now its official, The Mouse is loose in Charlotte!

No need to get nasty. No need to get personal. And it's you who are hating, on the Clippers org.

As for Moussa, we'll see. He can rebound and play some D, apparently. But he has no offensive game at all, which is why the Clips gave up on him. I mean, none at all. 21% on anything over 3 feet. A basket case franchise like Charlotte can bear that and hope he improves, but there's no serious rotation minutes on a good team trying to win.

And Ben Simmons IS better in every way. The FO looks like a million bucks with their moves to get under the first apron so they can sign buyouts. The goalposts remain where they've been all year.

Never got personal or nasty. Just calling it like it is. You couldn't even congratulate the man on surviving and getting a multiple year contract. Instead you doubled and tripled down on the hate and moved the goalposts and gave out new stipulations saying "Oh but he's not shooting threes and not a playoff rotation player." That's pure unadulterated hate at its finest. And now you standing on a soap box and yelling out Ben Simmons name? Did you get Ben Simmons to LA personally? What did Moussa do to you personally? Congratulate the man!!

And congrats on the Superbowl win. You at how easy that is.

Unresponsive. And a distortion of what I said. And Moussa is nowhere the player even a diminished Ben Simmons is. Let's be serious.

And it's you who are hating, on the Clippers org.

As for Moussa, we'll see. He can rebound and play some D, apparently. But he has no offensive game at all, which is why the Clips gave up on him. I mean, none at all. 21% on anything over 3 feet. A basket case franchise like Charlotte can bear that and hope he improves, but there's no serious rotation minutes on a good team trying to win.

And Ben Simmons IS better in every way. The FO looks like a million bucks with their moves to get under the first apron so they can sign buyouts. The goalposts remain where they've been all year.

But thx for the ups on the Eagles win. We are insane.

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[Clemenza]

No need to get nasty. No need to get personal. And it's you who are hating, on the Clippers org.

As for Moussa, we'll see. He can rebound and play some D, apparently. But he has no offensive game at all, which is why the Clips gave up on him. I mean, none at all. 21% on anything over 3 feet. A basket case franchise like Charlotte can bear that and hope he improves, but there's no serious rotation minutes on a good team trying to win.

And Ben Simmons IS better in every way. The FO looks like a million bucks with their moves to get under the first apron so they can sign buyouts. The goalposts remain where they've been all year.

Never got personal or nasty. Just calling it like it is. You couldn't even congratulate the man on surviving and getting a multiple year contract. Instead you doubled and tripled down on the hate and moved the goalposts and gave out new stipulations saying "Oh but he's not shooting threes and not a playoff rotation player." That's pure unadulterated hate at its finest. And now you standing on a soap box and yelling out Ben Simmons name? Did you get Ben Simmons to LA personally? What did Moussa do to you personally? Congratulate the man!!

And congrats on the Superbowl win. You at how easy that is.

Unresponsive. And a distortion of what I said. And Moussa is nowhere the player even a diminished Ben Simmons is. Let's be serious.

And it's you who are hating, on the Clippers org.

As for Moussa, we'll see. He can rebound and play some D, apparently. But he has no offensive game at all, which is why the Clips gave up on him. I mean, none at all. 21% on anything over 3 feet. A basket case franchise like Charlotte can bear that and hope he improves, but there's no serious rotation minutes on a good team trying to win.

And Ben Simmons IS better in every way. The FO looks like a million bucks with their moves to get under the first apron so they can sign buyouts. The goalposts remain where they've been all year.

But thx for the ups on the Eagles win. We are insane.

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I love the Clippers organization. I wouldn't go to games if I didn't. Ben Simmons last three years in Brooklyn, 0 three attempts for a .000 three point percentage. You just pitted Ben up against Moussa, I didnt do that. But if we do that then we have to bring up the fact that he can't shoot, or refuses to shoot as well. You're a Philly guy, you know this.

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I check the boxscores and just smh.. Maxey and/or Embiid are there, but still. PG should have better numbers than that especially on the glass.

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Never got personal or nasty. Just calling it like it is. You couldn't even congratulate the man on surviving and getting a multiple year contract. Instead you doubled and tripled down on the hate and moved the goalposts and gave out new stipulations saying "Oh but he's not shooting threes and not a playoff rotation player." That's pure unadulterated hate at its finest. And now you standing on a soap box and yelling out Ben Simmons name? Did you get Ben Simmons to LA personally? What did Moussa do to you personally? Congratulate the man!!

And congrats on the Superbowl win. You at how easy that is.

Unresponsive. And a distortion of what I said. And Moussa is nowhere the player even a diminished Ben Simmons is. Let's be serious.

And it's you who are hating, on the Clippers org.

As for Moussa, we'll see. He can rebound and play some D, apparently. But he has no offensive game at all, which is why the Clips gave up on him. I mean, none at all. 21% on anything over 3 feet. A basket case franchise like Charlotte can bear that and hope he improves, but there's no serious rotation minutes on a good team trying to win.

And Ben Simmons IS better in every way. The FO looks like a million bucks with their moves to get under the first apron so they can sign buyouts. The goalposts remain where they've been all year.

But thx for the ups on the Eagles win. We are insane.

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I love the Clippers organization. I wouldn't go to games if I didn't. Ben Simmons last three years in Brooklyn, 0 three attempts for a .000 three point percentage. You just pitted Ben up against Moussa, I didnt do that. But if we do that then we have to bring up the fact that he can't shoot, or refuses to shoot as well. You're a Philly guy, you know this.

Simmons for the minimum is a far call from at Simmons at the max. Surely he's as good as Amir Coffey, and better than T-Mann. And the late great KPJ. That's a lot of minutes up for grabs.

Let's state my argument honestly:

1) It's not that Moussa doesn't shoot the 3, it's that he shoots 21% on anything more than 3 feet from the basket.

2) Ben Simmons is a 3-time All-Star. His court sense is unique and ungodly, even if he has a mental block about jumpshooting and FTs.

3) I'm not really invested in any Clippers fringe player. [Sindarious I liked a lot and it broke my heart he didn't have enough game to stick in the NBA.] I wish Moussa well, but every team in the NBA had a crack at him--all they had to do is offer him a REAL NBA contract. They didn't. Instead, accepted a two-way from THE WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.

That he got a real contract is great. But what are the terms? A TEAM option and non-guaranteed?

He's made good on his last hanging-by-his-fingernails chance, and I say good for him. But the Clippers org is investing their two-way contracts in potential needle movers. Trentyn Flowers is 19 and already making his mark in G-League. Jordan Miller is 25 and may see some minutes that T-Mann just vacated, or see "pure scorer" minutes should Norman miss some time. That's apparently the org's plan: Moussa's ceiling is extremely low. He's what GMs call "a guy." Guys are useful, but easy to get. They didn't fk up. There's still no minutes here for Moussa, even now that he's broken out as a usable pro.

Let's be serious here--there's not a coach on this earth who would give Moussa minutes instead of Ben Simmons.

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Unresponsive. And a distortion of what I said. And Moussa is nowhere the player even a diminished Ben Simmons is. Let's be serious.



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I love the Clippers organization. I wouldn't go to games if I didn't. Ben Simmons last three years in Brooklyn, 0 three attempts for a .000 three point percentage. You just pitted Ben up against Moussa, I didnt do that. But if we do that then we have to bring up the fact that he can't shoot, or refuses to shoot as well. You're a Philly guy, you know this.

Simmons for the minimum is a far call from at Simmons at the max. Surely he's as good as Amir Coffey, and better than T-Mann. And the late great KPJ. That's a lot of minutes up for grabs.

Let's state my argument honestly:

1) It's not that Moussa doesn't shoot the 3, it's that he shoots 21% on anything more than 3 feet from the basket.

2) Ben Simmons is a 3-time All-Star. His court sense is unique and ungodly, even if he has a mental block about jumpshooting and FTs.

3) I'm not really invested in any Clippers fringe player. [Sindarious I liked a lot and it broke my heart he didn't have enough game to stick in the NBA.] I wish Moussa well, but every team in the NBA had a crack at him--all they had to do is offer him a REAL NBA contract. They didn't. Instead, accepted a two-way from THE WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.

That he got a real contract is great. But what are the terms? A TEAM option and non-guaranteed?

He's made good on his last hanging-by-his-fingernails chance, and I say good for him. But the Clippers org is investing their two-way contracts in potential needle movers. Trentyn Flowers is 19 and already making his mark in G-League. Jordan Miller is 25 and may see some minutes that T-Mann just vacated, or see "pure scorer" minutes should Norman miss some time. That's apparently the org's plan: Moussa's ceiling is extremely low. He's what GMs call "a guy." Guys are useful, but easy to get. They didn't fk up. There's still no minutes here for Moussa, even now that he's broken out as a usable pro.

Let's be serious here--there's not a coach on this earth who would give Moussa minutes instead of Ben Simmons.

All star or close to all star Ben Simmons of course he would be the guy. If it's not that then it's Moussa. But I'll say this and move on, you attempted to change the entire narrative and conversation by adding, using, inserting Ben Simmons into the picture and he had nothing to do with the topic at hand whatsoever. Another gp tactic, but whatever. I'm done, peace.

[Clemenza]

Happy for this guy. He's much better in a uptempo faster paced offense.

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