Knightro wrote:ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:A vet point guard can help with that.
Not as much as you think.
The offense isn’t going to really change until the Magic choose to overhaul their style of play offensively.
They play the way they play - with Franz and Paolo creating everything offensively in a heavy isolation environment - because that’s what the front office wants.
Whether they’re right or wrong about whether either guy can actually become this caliber of player, organizationally speaking, they want these guys to develop into a Jayson Tatum style do everything offensively forward and are clearly willing to force feed them the reps and deal with some ugliness overall while they’re not actually in a “we’re trying to compete for a deep playoff run” season.
It’s why when he was asked about the trade deadline, Weltman never really mentioned a lack of playmaking, only a lack of shooting.
I believe, for better or worse, Weltman feels like playmaking isn’t a problem and that part is developing as it should.
That "plan" makes no sense. Players don't "develop playmaking" by riding 35% usage rate on mostly self-created shots, while running worst offense in nba and offense that would be considered bad- 10 years ago.
Play -making literally means- involving others into offense and final product should be easier points and better looks ( mostly better looks) for everybody.
Paolo and Franz and current "system" does the opposite.
It makes difficult for role players to fit, partially because of roster construction, but partially because they aren't involved into anything meaningful.
In past 10 games, Franz Wagner has 35% usage rate.
He takes 37% of all team's FGA.
Sticking to last 10 games, Paolo has 31% usage rate and takes 31% of all shots from a team.
Rest of a team lives off leftowers and cumulative 32% shots split between 8 -10 of them.
Kobe & Shaq usage during their best year was 31% & 27%. ( 1999-2000)
Kobe & Shaq highest usage was 32% & 30%.
67-15 wins, Warriors, with Durant, Curry, Green, Klay had 1 player on usage at 30% mark- Curry.
In past 10 games Franz "play making" equals 3,4 apg on 3,0 TO. Banchero's 5,4 APG - 3,3 TO. Without even trying to see actual data, most of "play making" is between them
Over last 10 games, Magic have
105,7 offensive rating, 113,6 def rating ( -7,6 net rating). Due mostly offense, by net rating, we are 5th worst team in that period.
It is very symptomatic how much team fell apart after losing Mortiz Wagner. Not because he is some hidden Chris Webber but because he is another high usage guy that scores at high efficiency AND is involved in offense ( unlike most other players). I guess it's beneficial to be brother of one of two ball hogs.
18-12 with Moe, 8-17 without him.
Mid comment i took a 30 min walk and though about this.My best fresh-headed conclusion was to split "blame pie" into 60-30-10.
1) Weltman 60%
2) Paolo and Franz 30%
3) coaching, role players 10%
Paolo and Franz and their usage is co related with Weltman. We aren't in business of winning ( titles, contending) we are in business of manufacturing "stars" and we do it at expense of team success. Magic can say "we have two all stars" and have people clapping like idiots how amazing that is.
Stars become "stars" by either winning a lot or posting stats that look like stat-worthy stats for stars. Weltman has zero desire nor knowledge to actually build contending team, so we are in business of manufacturing stars by stacking deck in their favor, where they can padd empty numbers.
I can guarantee you nobody learned anything from current season, including Franz and Paolo, because they are stripped from any responsibility on their on -court actions. ( case and point, Banchero being most pathetic, low effort defender every night, and still getting more and more PT and more and more shots). They are getting praised as i write it by others on Magic board and off Magic boards & social media and role players get flack for things they have no control over.
We are now for weeks tearing Carter, KCP, Gary Harris, Black, Isaac, Goga apart for things they have zero control over. What's actual impact on final result (especially on offense) of one Wendell Carter? Guy takes 7 shots a game. People actually believe final result would change based on him going from 30% FG to 80% FG? gtfo.
Weltman created environment where Franz and Paolo behave like x2 Melo. They exclude whole roster from offense at excuse of "not good enough on offense", built roster made out of "play hard guys" type of guys who don't have much offensive skill to begin with, but even if they do, nobody would actually know it, since they touch ball like 12 times in 25 min, and in 7/12 times it's at expiring shot clock because offense created nothing and Paolo doesn't feel like taking another shot to hinder FG%.
Two mental switches happened over past year and half and now team does not have mechanism to turn it off.
1) Paolo had good playoffs and now he thinks he is way better than he is (and as justification, he takes more bad shots since)
2) Franz had stretch without Paolo, vs mostly bad teams, where he started to think he is better than he is ( and as justification he takes more shots since)
Until and if they can't chill the f*** out and go back to way lower usage and way lower roles, ones that suit their talent, not Lebron James- Michael Jordan level of talent, this team is going nowhere. And there is nobody else to blame for it but Weltman who created such. environment
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. -John Lennon
