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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#1901 » by greg4012 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:48 pm

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Defense hasn’t been the issue, we’re 9th in the league. It’s the garbage offense sitting at 20th (probably worse after tonight) and it hasn’t matter who’s been available or not. Guess we’ll see how it goes at full strength.

We can win alot of game if we hold teams to 103 points, not if we can only put up 85 though. Even last game, 102 for the Nets but we can only put up 86 and that’s with Herro.


Defense hasn't been the issue, but the eye test clearly shows that Miami has a lot of low hanging fruit to improve on defense. Fully integrating the new guys and minimizing Terry's role should lead to A LOT less wide open lanes for the perimeter players to walk into the paint and generate looks. Should also lead to A LOT less opportunities for NBA players to take practice shots from 3 untouched until they catch fire.

Can't expect some crazy offensive jump when we didn't add real offensive personnel. Wiggins can get some buckets in offensive flow, but he's not a real source of generating offense imo.

With how the roster is constructed, Herro is THE source of offensive creation. That's not good roster construction but its not surprising that him missing leads to league worst levels of offense.

43% of the Heat's current payroll is dedicated to offense only players that are defensive liabilities (Herro, Duncan, and Rozier). That's 43% of the allotted payroll.

Let's take a closer look at this nearly half of the payroll that is meant to specialize in generating offense for Miami:

- Tyler Herro is the highest usage player on the team and is averaging nearly 24 ppg and 5.6 apg. His TS% is 60.8% (median NBA offense has a TS% of 57.7%). VERY GOOD
- Duncan Robinson is a 24 mpg player that averages 10 ppg and 2 assists. His TS% is 57.2% (just below the median), but is trending down at 52% over the last 5 games.
- Terry Rozier is a 29 mpg player that averages 12 ppg and 3 assists. His TS% is 51% (worse than the worst offense in the NBA)

Tyler and Terry are the only real perimeter players with a creation skillset on this team and one of them generates league-worst offense. None of the above 3 help on defense.

Now add in Bam's terrible offensive stretch for the first half of the season--TS% of 53.5% on the season--and it's a recipe for offense to be a disaster. Fortunately, Bam seems to be out of his funk and is hovering around NBA median 57% TS% over the past 20 games or so and inching back to his career average of 59% TS.

If Bam or Herro miss extended time over the back half of the season, Miami will be tanking (whether intentional or not). I really hope neither miss that time. Especially not Herro, as he still needs to prove that he can maintain his improved level of play for an entire season.


Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst. 5 games after the ASB are the Raptors, bucks, Hawks twice, and Pacers. Come out of that with a losing record and I’m going full blown tank to give ourselves better assets. Would love to get more playoff basketball in but from an asset standpoint we need good picks to get something meaningful done this summer


THere's not good reason to be expecting anything better than near 500 ball. If its worse, that's OK. Expecting better when Miami just shipped off Jimmy and is in the midst of an experimental/developmental season is setting oneself up to be outraged and upset.

THe dirty secret that no one has time to recognize is that dedicating this time to developing youth and new skillsets will actually reap benefit--just not necessarily immediately. If Miami can end up with a lotto pick, that will be fun and I'm all for it.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#1902 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:52 pm

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Defense hasn't been the issue, but the eye test clearly shows that Miami has a lot of low hanging fruit to improve on defense. Fully integrating the new guys and minimizing Terry's role should lead to A LOT less wide open lanes for the perimeter players to walk into the paint and generate looks. Should also lead to A LOT less opportunities for NBA players to take practice shots from 3 untouched until they catch fire.

Can't expect some crazy offensive jump when we didn't add real offensive personnel. Wiggins can get some buckets in offensive flow, but he's not a real source of generating offense imo.

With how the roster is constructed, Herro is THE source of offensive creation. That's not good roster construction but its not surprising that him missing leads to league worst levels of offense.

43% of the Heat's current payroll is dedicated to offense only players that are defensive liabilities (Herro, Duncan, and Rozier). That's 43% of the allotted payroll.

Let's take a closer look at this nearly half of the payroll that is meant to specialize in generating offense for Miami:

- Tyler Herro is the highest usage player on the team and is averaging nearly 24 ppg and 5.6 apg. His TS% is 60.8% (median NBA offense has a TS% of 57.7%). VERY GOOD
- Duncan Robinson is a 24 mpg player that averages 10 ppg and 2 assists. His TS% is 57.2% (just below the median), but is trending down at 52% over the last 5 games.
- Terry Rozier is a 29 mpg player that averages 12 ppg and 3 assists. His TS% is 51% (worse than the worst offense in the NBA)

Tyler and Terry are the only real perimeter players with a creation skillset on this team and one of them generates league-worst offense. None of the above 3 help on defense.

Now add in Bam's terrible offensive stretch for the first half of the season--TS% of 53.5% on the season--and it's a recipe for offense to be a disaster. Fortunately, Bam seems to be out of his funk and is hovering around NBA median 57% TS% over the past 20 games or so and inching back to his career average of 59% TS.

If Bam or Herro miss extended time over the back half of the season, Miami will be tanking (whether intentional or not). I really hope neither miss that time. Especially not Herro, as he still needs to prove that he can maintain his improved level of play for an entire season.


Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst. 5 games after the ASB are the Raptors, bucks, Hawks twice, and Pacers. Come out of that with a losing record and I’m going full blown tank to give ourselves better assets. Would love to get more playoff basketball in but from an asset standpoint we need good picks to get something meaningful done this summer


THere's not good reason to be expecting anything better than near 500 ball. If its worse, that's OK. Expecting better when Miami just shipped off Jimmy and is in the midst of an experimental/developmental season is setting oneself up to be outraged and upset.

THe dirty secret that no one has time to recognize is that dedicating this time to developing youth and new skillsets will actually reap benefit--just not necessarily immediately. If Miami can end up with a lotto pick, that will be fun and I'm all for it.


I’m expecting this to be more of the same next season as well before hopefully making a major splash and jumping back into contention the summer of 2026, kind of like the 09 and 10 seasons for Wade. Maybe we get one of our major building block pieces this summer and then get the final piece in 2026 or maybe we make go all in in 2026.

Long story short, I don’t expect to be good next year either really
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Post#1904 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:03 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:With us struggling im curious to see if Ware gets the boot from the starting lineup with Spo going back to his roots:

Mitchell
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Not advocating for it but I could see it happening.


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Post#1905 » by greg4012 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:08 pm

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Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst. 5 games after the ASB are the Raptors, bucks, Hawks twice, and Pacers. Come out of that with a losing record and I’m going full blown tank to give ourselves better assets. Would love to get more playoff basketball in but from an asset standpoint we need good picks to get something meaningful done this summer


THere's not good reason to be expecting anything better than near 500 ball. If its worse, that's OK. Expecting better when Miami just shipped off Jimmy and is in the midst of an experimental/developmental season is setting oneself up to be outraged and upset.

THe dirty secret that no one has time to recognize is that dedicating this time to developing youth and new skillsets will actually reap benefit--just not necessarily immediately. If Miami can end up with a lotto pick, that will be fun and I'm all for it.


I’m expecting this to be more of the same next season as well before hopefully making a major splash and jumping back into contention the summer of 2026, kind of like the 09 and 10 seasons for Wade. Maybe we get one of our major building block pieces this summer and then get the final piece in 2026 or maybe we make go all in in 2026.

Long story short, I don’t expect to be good next year either really


We'll only be substantially better next year if a big move happens this offseason. If not, it's gearing up for 2026 offseason where the books can finally be relieved of Terry/Duncan and the roster can be re-balanced with focus and flexibility to serve a new build.

The good news is that big time players ask out and end up on the move every season. And more often than not there is interest in Miami. What we've struggled with is not having the ammo to compete in this trade market. But, over the next year+, Miami is set up to have more ammo than we've had in over a decade on the trade market.

Just look at the past 3 years:
- 2022: Mitchell to CLE (Miami didn't have enough)
- 2023: KD to Suns (Miami was one of his 2 preferred destinations, but didn't have enough)
- 2023: Lillard to MIL (Miami was his destination of choice, but didn't have enough)
- 2025: Fox to SAS (Miami was one of his preferred choices behind SAS, but SAS was a willing buyer and had all the ammo)

These opps arise annually. Miami just needs to finally have enough. Between youth, draft capital, expiring contracts, and even Bam/Herro depending on circumstance, Miami will have enough.
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Post#1906 » by greg4012 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:11 pm



Also fun to dream of lucking into a top 3 pick
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Post#1907 » by Vertical Limit » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:16 pm

Davion mitchell does not have a high ceiling, but i think an offseason with our coaching staff developing his shooting motion, if we can get him to that 38-40% range at 3 point percentage, then he is q nice 3 and defense guy off the bench.. well in our roster hes a starter because our pg options are thin…
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Post#1908 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:23 pm

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THere's not good reason to be expecting anything better than near 500 ball. If its worse, that's OK. Expecting better when Miami just shipped off Jimmy and is in the midst of an experimental/developmental season is setting oneself up to be outraged and upset.

THe dirty secret that no one has time to recognize is that dedicating this time to developing youth and new skillsets will actually reap benefit--just not necessarily immediately. If Miami can end up with a lotto pick, that will be fun and I'm all for it.


I’m expecting this to be more of the same next season as well before hopefully making a major splash and jumping back into contention the summer of 2026, kind of like the 09 and 10 seasons for Wade. Maybe we get one of our major building block pieces this summer and then get the final piece in 2026 or maybe we make go all in in 2026.

Long story short, I don’t expect to be good next year either really


We'll only be substantially better next year if a big move happens this offseason. If not, it's gearing up for 2026 offseason where the books can finally be relieved of Terry/Duncan and the roster can be re-balanced with focus and flexibility to serve a new build.

The good news is that big time players ask out and end up on the move every season. And more often than not there is interest in Miami. What we've struggled with is not having the ammo to compete in this trade market. But, over the next year+, Miami is set up to have more ammo than we've had in over a decade on the trade market.

Just look at the past 3 years:
- 2022: Mitchell to CLE (Miami didn't have enough)
- 2023: KD to Suns (Miami was one of his 2 preferred destinations, but didn't have enough)
- 2023: Lillard to MIL (Miami was his destination of choice, but didn't have enough)
- 2025: Fox to SAS (Miami was one of his preferred choices behind SAS, but SAS was a willing buyer and had all the ammo)

These opps arise annually. Miami just needs to finally have enough. Between youth, draft capital, expiring contracts, and even Bam/Herro depending on circumstance, Miami will have enough.


Yea I’m pretty excited about finally having some assets for once, and expiring contracts to match any salary. KD and Trae will be available but yea I’m betting some others also come up
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Post#1909 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:25 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:Davion mitchell does not have a high ceiling, but i think an offseason with our coaching staff developing his shooting motion, if we can get him to that 38-40% range at 3 point percentage, then he is q nice 3 and defense guy off the bench.. well in our roster hes a starter because our pg options are thin…


38%-40% with great defense and good playmaking is literally all we need from him. That’d be great
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Post#1910 » by twix2500 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:36 pm

Just like that Mtchell and s shooting 34.7 3p% for this season. Celtics was leaving him wide open and clogging the paint. Not sure why Duncan didn't start, especially no Brown to worry about
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Post#1911 » by jbsays » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:40 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:I really really like what i saw out of Mitchell but the spacing if he can’t make shots consistently could be somewhat of an issue playing with the starting lineup due to lack of spacing with the two bigs. Spo might have to consider keeping Duncan and Herro with Wiggins as the ball handling upgrade over Highsmith from the previous unit. This allows Mitchell to come off the bench and engine the non Herro lineups. Also allows us to bench Rozier.

C Ware C Anderson
PF Bam PF Jovic
SF Wiggins SF JJJ or Highsmith
SG Robinson SG Burks or Larrson
PG Herro PG Mitchell

This depth chart completely isolates Rozier from ever seeing the lineup again. Mitchell can play a heavy role as backup PG with Herro sliding to the two but Spo can have more shooters on the floor with Mitchell.

C Ware
PF Jovic
SF Highsmith
SG Herro
PG Mitchell

Above would be a solid lineup to maximize Mitchell.


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Post#1912 » by jbsays » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:42 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:Davion mitchell does not have a high ceiling, but i think an offseason with our coaching staff developing his shooting motion, if we can get him to that 38-40% range at 3 point percentage, then he is q nice 3 and defense guy off the bench.. well in our roster hes a starter because our pg options are thin…


He's an athlete. I think he does have a high ceiling, but not being able to shoot could potentially be a huge detriment. Regardless, Heat aren't locked in to him long term so no harm, no foul?
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Post#1913 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:52 pm

twix2500 wrote:Just like that Mtchell and s shooting 34.7 3p% for this season. Celtics was leaving him wide open and clogging the paint. Not sure why Duncan didn't start, especially no Brown to worry about


And $26M+ a year Wiggins had more shot attempts than points scored, I’d assume those both start to trend better but time will tell. Have to give them a little time before we can make full judgement. Bottom line, team was cooking until Terry Jovic and Anderson came in stinking it up. Mitchell is better than Terry off defense and passing alone
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Post#1914 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:54 pm

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Post#1915 » by twix2500 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:58 pm

It's real simple. Duncan needs to start, Wiggins need to be the secondary ball handler. Mitchell needs to be an energy player off the bench, get the young players running

PG: Herro - Mitchell
SG: Robinson - Highsmith/Burks/Lasrsson/Christopher (rotate these three)
SF: Wiggins - Jaquez
PF: Bam - Jovic
Ce: Ware - Anderson - Love
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Post#1916 » by greg4012 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:59 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Just like that Mtchell and s shooting 34.7 3p% for this season. Celtics was leaving him wide open and clogging the paint. Not sure why Duncan didn't start, especially no Brown to worry about


And $26M+ a year Wiggins had more shot attempts than points scored, I’d assume those both start to trend better but time will tell. Have to give them a little time before we can make full judgement. Bottom line, team was cooking until Terry Jovic and Anderson came in stinking it up. Mitchell is better than Terry off defense and passing alone


Heat fans gotta adjust expectations on Wiggins' game. He generates less of his own offense than Bam. He's an offball shooter, cutter, can do a little post up action, catch & drive guy. Over 60% of his FGM have been assisted for each of the past 4 seasons.
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Post#1917 » by greg4012 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:00 pm

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Durant as a rental without extension sounds like a lovely way to bridge the gap
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Post#1918 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:01 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Just like that Mtchell and s shooting 34.7 3p% for this season. Celtics was leaving him wide open and clogging the paint. Not sure why Duncan didn't start, especially no Brown to worry about


And $26M+ a year Wiggins had more shot attempts than points scored, I’d assume those both start to trend better but time will tell. Have to give them a little time before we can make full judgement. Bottom line, team was cooking until Terry Jovic and Anderson came in stinking it up. Mitchell is better than Terry off defense and passing alone


Heat fans gotta adjust expectations on Wiggins' game. He generates less of his own offense than Bam. He's an offball shooter, cutter, can do a little post up action, catch & drive guy. Over 60% of his FGM have been assisted for each of the past 4 seasons.


Yea I’m personally not super high on him but do expect better than last night. Hes never been an efficient scorer and his all star selection was one of the biggest flukes we’ve seen
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Post#1919 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:02 pm

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Durant as a rental without extension sounds like a lovely way to bridge the gap


You get that final piece in 2026 KD might be open to a bargain deal to make a championship run
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