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[BigO]

The other point Horst made in his interview is that he had no interest in the guy everyone else (fans) said he should trade for.

He could only have meant Butler. So the Butler trade was never going to happen. It wasn't what Miami wanted in return. Horst just didn't want him, whether because of attitude or not wanting to extend him for two more years at over 100 million.

Golden State never would have traded for Butler unless that contract was agreed upon. So for those who wanted Butler, you also need to be supportive of giving him the money for the next two years.

[pifhluk23]

The other point Horst made in his interview is that he had no interest in the guy everyone else (fans) said he should trade for.

He could only have meant Butler. So the Butler trade was never going to happen. It wasn't what Miami wanted in return. Horst just didn't want him, whether because of attitude or not wanting to extend him for two more years at over 100 million.

Golden State never would have traded for Butler unless that contract was agreed upon. So for those who wanted Butler, you also need to be supportive of giving him the money for the next two years.

Yup fully supported giving Butler 2 more years.

Giannis
who cares
Butler
who cares
Dame

Why wouldn't you roll with that... Dame po same year as Butler's contract would have ended and Giannis would be 32 going on 33 that season. Literally perfect scenario go hard for 2 years then blow it up or retool.

[BigO]

The other point Horst made in his interview is that he had no interest in the guy everyone else (fans) said he should trade for.

He could only have meant Butler. So the Butler trade was never going to happen. It wasn't what Miami wanted in return. Horst just didn't want him, whether because of attitude or not wanting to extend him for two more years at over 100 million.

Golden State never would have traded for Butler unless that contract was agreed upon. So for those who wanted Butler, you also need to be supportive of giving him the money for the next two years.

Yup fully supported giving Butler 2 more years.

Giannis
who cares
Butler
who cares
Dame

Why wouldn't you roll with that... Dame po same year as Butler's contract would have ended and Giannis would be 32 going on 33 that season. Literally perfect scenario go hard for 2 years then blow it up or retool.

It's a good argument, but hardly a slam dunk. Butler misses a lot of time and I could see him being a problem in his last contract year.

I don't see a championship team in Golden State, so Butler isn't searching for rings.

[raferfenix]

Sure. But we also kept Brook/Portis/Prince in the main rotation. These are not transition dudes.

Yes but the team relying on those guys so much also appears to be why we went ahead and got the most athletic guy we could for our front court.

Devil's advocate: Jimmy's athleticism is already waning, he misses a ton of games and this team needs help day to day, and he's paid 3x as much as Kuzma + would have cost at least our 2031 first to acquire.

Bucks could have thought this team wasn't doing it even with Butler. Or he wouldn't have extended here. Or the Heat preferred the Warriors' offer.

However we ended up here -- the Bucks clearly decided to throw an athlete like Kuzma (also Sims + KPJ) into the mix to see how that shakes things up.

[emunney]

How Kuzma does may be determinative for Horst's future and very possibly the Dame-Giannis duo in Milwaukee.

This line stood out to me from the interview:

He just plays with a pace and a speed and athleticism that we think will really help us against the teams we have to beat in the playoffs.

The Bucks have looked like mummies this whole season. That's no longer the case.

Sure. But we also kept Brook/Portis/Prince in the main rotation. These are not transition dudes.

I feel like Portis has been better defending in space than Prince this year. Prince is just so heavy-legged for a wing. I think Pat gives us more, he at least has a nose for the ball.

[Daver]

We still don’t know how much influence Doc or the owners have.

It was a great six year run.

Should of had 2 maybe 3 chips with this core thst wasnt on horst

[emunney]

I'm with mid that if we identified team speed as a problem, we really half-assed a solution. Not that the increment won't help, but I don't think Khris was even the biggest problem in that sense. If Brook misses a shot from like 18 feet in, we better have everybody else back because Brook is not getting back to the rim in time.

[tydett]

Man, if you guys think Horst has been terrible on the margins (don't necessarily disagree here), Masai has been worse at everything else. He overvalued Scottie and his potential, held onto a lame duck Nurse who nuked the culture on his way out, has traded 1st round picks for dudes he shouldn't while trying to chase a 9th or 10th seed, and has held onto depreciating mid tier assets and sells them for pennies on the dollar. They're now essentially locked into a core of Ingram, Barrett, Barnes and Quickley for the next 3 years, and I can't believe anyone here thinks that's anything more than a 1st round exit - unless Barnes turns himself into a bad player so much trying to help that team.

[MickeyDavis]

We can pound on Horst. I get it, I'm not a fan either.

But at the end of the day it was Giannis getting hurt that derailed the last 2 seasons. And now he's hurt again. Strained calf, same as last year (hopefully he heals and it doesn't recur again before April).

[Ron Swanson]

PP laid it out better than I could a few weeks back, but I'm gonna go ahead and push back real hard at this notion that we "should have won multiple rings" with this previous core. We did the best we could with a "meh" supporting cast of guys like Bledsoe, Jrue, Khris, Brook, and some solid role players, and what we got was a Mavs/Dirk run of consistent winning and a championship. We exceeded our talent level in many ways and I'm not buying the "wasted dynasty" narrative.

Dame was the home-run swing that was necessary to potentially rip off 1-2 more rings before the Giannis era concludes here, but sadly it's looking like we're gonna waste the final prime Dame years as well because we've **** up so badly on the margins with both the coaching hires and roster construction/follow-up trades. Would really love to have a peek into the alternate reality had we just let Horst hire Kenny Atkinson. Maybe injuries still de-rail us last season and it's moot anyways, but I'd feel pretty damn confident that we're sitting here today closer to 40-wins than we are 25-wins, and with a much more coherent/balanced roster because Horst has a competent HC to bounce personnel ideas off of.

[stillgotgame]

The only way getting Kuzma is a positive is if Kuzma changes into something he's not been.

1) Can he start taking good shots and being efficient? He doesn't need to be KM efficient, but much better than he has been historically.

2) Keep his rebounding to close to 7 a game, which isn't asking a lot for him, but more than recent history.

3) Keep his assist to turnover ratio to 2 to 1 rather than his inefficent history in that area.

4) Be a reliable defender of mobile bigs. I don't know how good of a defender he is. We'll see.

He certainly seems engaged, healthy and willing. Look at his body language, he looks happy to be here. Too bad we don’t have a coach to actually work on those things.

[Ryan5UW]

I think it's safe to say a lot of us already have one eye towards the offseason. What front office/POBO types could we get to come here? I could see Masai finally leaving Toronto if he sees his dream opportunity of building a roster around Giannis. Ownership needs to throw the bag at him and let him hire a new coach. Coax Bob Meyers out of retirement? Mike Zarren (VP of Basketball Ops for the Celtics)? I mean hell, at this point I might even begrudgingly accept Doc moving to a front office role if it at least meant that we'd get a new coach.

I fully expect that role to go to Doc if/when he's done as coach. I'd love to see what Bob Meyers would do though.

[MickeyDavis]

We won the title with a bench of Portis, Pat and Teague. Pat played 33 and 23 minutes in games 5 and 6.

We can talk about the margins and bench guys and all that but we won because of Giannis and Khris. If we win again it will be because of Giannis and Dame. A combination we haven't seen in the playoffs yet.

[paulpressey25]

PP laid it out better than I could a few weeks back, but I'm gonna go ahead and push back real hard at this notion that we "should have won multiple rings" with this previous core. We did the best we could with a "meh" supporting cast of guys like Bledsoe, Jrue, Khris, Brook, and some solid role players, and what we got was a Mavs/Dirk run of consistent winning and a championship. We exceeded our talent level in many ways and I'm not buying the "wasted dynasty" narrative.

This discussion goes back to when Bud was fired and continued for the next year. i.e. teams that win multiple titles have a core with at least two HOF players, many times three. I don't have a link to those posts, but if I recall it went something like this:

Spurs - Robinson, Duncan, Manu, Parker, Kawhi
GSW - Steph, Klay, Draymond, Durant
Heat - LeBron, Bosh, Wade
Lakers - multiple eras of Shaq, Kobe, Pau

We're more like Dallas 2011, Raptors 2019 or even Cleveland 2016.

Just damn grateful we got one.

[theFireBlanket]

https://www.si.com/nba/wizards/washington-wizards-news/debut-dates-revealed-washington-wizards-khris-middleton-marcus-smart

Circle the date on the calendar, Friday, 2/21. 6 p.m. local. Giannis, Khris & Mahcus Smaht all make their post ASG return at Capitol One Arena in DC.

[theFireBlanket]

PP laid it out better than I could a few weeks back, but I'm gonna go ahead and push back real hard at this notion that we "should have won multiple rings" with this previous core. We did the best we could with a "meh" supporting cast of guys like Bledsoe, Jrue, Khris, Brook, and some solid role players, and what we got was a Mavs/Dirk run of consistent winning and a championship. We exceeded our talent level in many ways and I'm not buying the "wasted dynasty" narrative.

This discussion goes back to when Bud was fired and continued for the next year. i.e. teams that win multiple titles have a core with at least two HOF players, many times three. I don't have a link to those posts, but if I recall it went something like this:

Spurs - Robinson, Duncan, Manu, Parker, Kawhi
GSW - Steph, Klay, Draymond, Durant
Heat - LeBron, Bosh, Wade
Lakers - multiple eras of Shaq, Kobe, Pau

We're more like Dallas 2011, Raptors 2019 or even Cleveland 2016.

Just damn grateful we got one.

Without Khris & Giannis injuries, following the chip, i'm calling for a 3peat. Dame goes somewhere else. Jrue & Khris retire here.

[jschligs]

PP laid it out better than I could a few weeks back, but I'm gonna go ahead and push back real hard at this notion that we "should have won multiple rings" with this previous core. We did the best we could with a "meh" supporting cast of guys like Bledsoe, Jrue, Khris, Brook, and some solid role players, and what we got was a Mavs/Dirk run of consistent winning and a championship. We exceeded our talent level in many ways and I'm not buying the "wasted dynasty" narrative.

This discussion goes back to when Bud was fired and continued for the next year. i.e. teams that win multiple titles have a core with at least two HOF players, many times three. I don't have a link to those posts, but if I recall it went something like this:

Spurs - Robinson, Duncan, Manu, Parker, Kawhi
GSW - Steph, Klay, Draymond, Durant
Heat - LeBron, Bosh, Wade
Lakers - multiple eras of Shaq, Kobe, Pau

We're more like Dallas 2011, Raptors 2019 or even Cleveland 2016.

Just damn grateful we got one.

Yup, winning a title is ****ing hard. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see us, Denver, or Boston win another one. I am happy we got one and I got to be there. Anything more would be the cherry on top. But this idea that we should have won more is just ridiculous. There are 9,000,000 variables involved, most out of our control.

[MickeyDavis]

https://www.si.com/nba/wizards/washington-wizards-news/debut-dates-revealed-washington-wizards-khris-middleton-marcus-smart

Circle the date on the calendar, Friday, 2/21. 6 p.m. local. Giannis, Khris & Mahcus Smaht all make their post ASG return at Capitol One Arena in DC.

Bucks play the night before and will be on a B2B but hopefully Giannis is healed and Khris plays.

[drew881]

PP laid it out better than I could a few weeks back, but I'm gonna go ahead and push back real hard at this notion that we "should have won multiple rings" with this previous core. We did the best we could with a "meh" supporting cast of guys like Bledsoe, Jrue, Khris, Brook, and some solid role players, and what we got was a Mavs/Dirk run of consistent winning and a championship. We exceeded our talent level in many ways and I'm not buying the "wasted dynasty" narrative.

Dame was the home-run swing that was necessary to potentially rip off 1-2 more rings before the Giannis era concludes here, but sadly it's looking like we're gonna waste the final prime Dame years as well because we've **** up so badly on the margins with both the coaching hires and roster construction/follow-up trades. Would really love to have a peek into the alternate reality had we just let Horst hire Kenny Atkinson. Maybe injuries still de-rail us last season and it's moot anyways, but I'd feel pretty damn confident that we're sitting here today closer to 40-wins than we are 25-wins, and with a much more coherent/balanced roster because Horst has a competent HC to bounce personnel ideas off of.

I’m at the point where I would rather have seen where Griffin would have ended up. Could easily be better than Doc.

But with Middleton and Brook declining/aging I don’t think Atkinson would have mattered much.

[Bernman]

To me it's much more about the early exits since '21, rolling right into being a 40's win team. Only 1 league finals, 1 conference finals, 2 conference semis, 2 1st rd exits. This yr?

That's a modest run of postseason relevance, regardless the causes, w/ an MVP + all-stars & when preceded by getting out of the 1st round 1 time in 25 yrs. We deserved much more, & soon it'll become extremely bleak for a long time again.