Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[HumbleRen]

It is interesting the points about Ingram playing almost as a PG handling pick and rolls. Toronto doesn't run it a lot. Our motion offense is often with the big making decisions rather than straight pick and roll.

To wit, the Raptors are near the bottom of the league (27th) in how often a pick-and-roll ball-handler finishes a possession with a shot, turnover or free throws, per Synergy. They use their screener — usually Jakob Poeltl — a bit more. Together, fewer than 20 per cent of their offensive possessions end immediately following a pick-and-roll action.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/evaluating-key-areas-that-will-determine-brandon-ingrams-fit-with-raptors/

I do think pick and roll is physically demanding for the handler - you have handle the ball and dribble into the paint and take contact.

To reduce the load on Ingram I'd rely on the catch and shoot. I mentioned it earlier, but he has great C&S numbers at 39% over the past three years. It may be an adjustment for him which may not work out, but him being a scoring option doesn't have to mean he is the lead initiator.

I'd save his ISO offense for late game and the playoffs. We should be also not playing him too much on b2bs and resting him intentionally and not waiting for him to be injured. If we get him for 60 games but the whole playoffs that is good and likely inline with most ageing star players.

We don’t really run it because we don’t have anyone who is kinda great at it.

Ingram will 100% change that.

[Kingsway_fan]

It is interesting the points about Ingram playing almost as a PG handling pick and rolls. Toronto doesn't run it a lot. Our motion offense is often with the big making decisions rather than straight pick and roll.

To wit, the Raptors are near the bottom of the league (27th) in how often a pick-and-roll ball-handler finishes a possession with a shot, turnover or free throws, per Synergy. They use their screener — usually Jakob Poeltl — a bit more. Together, fewer than 20 per cent of their offensive possessions end immediately following a pick-and-roll action.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/evaluating-key-areas-that-will-determine-brandon-ingrams-fit-with-raptors/

I do think pick and roll is physically demanding for the handler - you have handle the ball and dribble into the paint and take contact.

To reduce the load on Ingram I'd rely on the catch and shoot. I mentioned it earlier, but he has great C&S numbers at 39% over the past three years. It may be an adjustment for him which may not work out, but him being a scoring option doesn't have to mean he is the lead initiator.

I'd save his ISO offense for late game and the playoffs. We should be also not playing him too much on b2bs and resting him intentionally and not waiting for him to be injured. If we get him for 60 games but the whole playoffs that is good and likely inline with most ageing star players.

We don’t really run it because we don’t have anyone who is kinda great at it.

Ingram will 100% change that.

This could be good for a player like Yak....

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I've read a lot about his passing/playmaking since the trade. Pre-trade I did not realize how good he was as a playmaker. Some of my thoughts about the offense with him:
-His passing combined with Scottie's passing could really unlock this offense. His reading of the defense and ability to manipulate the defense really stood out.
-Unlike RJ, I don't think you need to totally eliminate his mid range from his shot diet but rather just have him increase the % of 3pt shots and drive to the baskets. Getting him to buy in and use the mid range more selectively to help his efficiency.
-His length stands out as an asset in his passing too.
-I think the Darko's ability to draw out plays coming out of timeouts combined with Ingram's lethal mid range jumper can add another wrinkle to the offense.
-I think he easily becomes our guy in crunch time. He has that aggressiveness and confidence that we don't have right now. He seems to want the ball in those situations.

Overall looking forward to seeing him incorporate in this offense...hopefully he doesn't improve our offense too much when he returns to win us too many games though lol.

[Tripod]

I sense a theme.

Scottie good passes
Yak good passer
Ingram good passer
RJ and IQ since they got to TO...working on their passing.

We talked before how some of the scoring among everyone could get cannibalize, well the same could happen with assists. No "one guy" racking up big numbers but every night lots of guys contributing across the board.

Like no GTJ getting 0-2 assists a night. Seems like we will have lots of guys getting 4-7 and it will vary every night depending on the matchups. No black holes.

[HumbleRen]

It is interesting the points about Ingram playing almost as a PG handling pick and rolls. Toronto doesn't run it a lot. Our motion offense is often with the big making decisions rather than straight pick and roll.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/evaluating-key-areas-that-will-determine-brandon-ingrams-fit-with-raptors/

I do think pick and roll is physically demanding for the handler - you have handle the ball and dribble into the paint and take contact.

To reduce the load on Ingram I'd rely on the catch and shoot. I mentioned it earlier, but he has great C&S numbers at 39% over the past three years. It may be an adjustment for him which may not work out, but him being a scoring option doesn't have to mean he is the lead initiator.

I'd save his ISO offense for late game and the playoffs. We should be also not playing him too much on b2bs and resting him intentionally and not waiting for him to be injured. If we get him for 60 games but the whole playoffs that is good and likely inline with most ageing star players.

We don’t really run it because we don’t have anyone who is kinda great at it.

Ingram will 100% change that.

This could be good for a player like Yak....

It’s why Brandon Ingram said Poeltl is the biggest reason why he wanted to come here. He’s going to carve so much space for Ingram on PNR’s.

[Dexjackson]

I sense a theme.

Scottie good passes
Yak good passer
Ingram good passer
RJ and IQ since they got to TO...working on their passing.

We talked before how some of the scoring among everyone could get cannibalize, well the same could happen with assists. No "one guy" racking up big numbers but every night lots of guys contributing across the board.

Like no GTJ getting 0-2 assists a night. Seems like we will have lots of guys getting 4-7 and it will vary every night depending on the matchups. No black holes.

2 assists for GTJ is generous too haha. More often he'd give you 15 pts and 0 rbs/ast. Even Gradey who's the closest thing to GTJ as a shooter moves the ball willingly. Personally I would rather watch this kind of basketball than iso heavy ball.

[CoinTossRoss31]

We don’t really run it because we don’t have anyone who is kinda great at it.

Ingram will 100% change that.

This could be good for a player like Yak....

It’s why Brandon Ingram said Poeltl is the biggest reason why he wanted to come here. He’s going to carve so much space for Ingram on PNR’s.

Where did he say this, I must have missed it.
If thats true Poetl is staying for the long haul and hopefully extended.

[HumbleRen]

This could be good for a player like Yak....

It’s why Brandon Ingram said Poeltl is the biggest reason why he wanted to come here. He’s going to carve so much space for Ingram on PNR’s.

Where did he say this, I must have missed it.
If thats true Poetl is staying for the long haul and hopefully extended.

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[/url] --> passing starts at 6:08

I've read a lot about his passing/playmaking since the trade. Pre-trade I did not realize how good he was as a playmaker. Some of my thoughts about the offense with him:
-His passing combined with Scottie's passing could really unlock this offense. His reading of the defense and ability to manipulate the defense really stood out.
-Unlike RJ, I don't think you need to totally eliminate his mid range from his shot diet but rather just have him increase the % of 3pt shots and drive to the baskets. Getting him to buy in and use the mid range more selectively to help his efficiency.
-His length stands out as an asset in his passing too.
-I think the Darko's ability to draw out plays coming out of timeouts combined with Ingram's lethal mid range jumper can add another wrinkle to the offense.
-I think he easily becomes our guy in crunch time. He has that aggressiveness and confidence that we don't have right now. He seems to want the ball in those situations.

Overall looking forward to seeing him incorporate in this offense...hopefully he doesn't improve our offense too much when he returns to win us too many games though lol.

Awesome videos. Thanks for sharing. These video's give a completely different view of him as a player. You can see why management wanted to bring him in & why it was worth the (low) risk.

He has better handles than Scottie & he actually looks like a similar, but more refined passer than Scottie (he looks better than Scottie, but Scottie is younger).

His offensive game is what we all hoped Scottie could become. Maybe Scottie will learn from him. Maybe he can be the influence that Scottie needs right now. I like that his temperament is steady. He has a calm maturity about him.

You can also picture him working well with Jakob on the P n R & as a rim runner.

He was also able to make long/ accurate skip passes to 3 point shooters for wide open looks.

Maybe BI becomes our new primary playmaker. Quick can bring the ball up, give the ball to BI (or Scottie) & let them go to work. Quick can get his points off open 3's and off ball actions.

Darko is going to love this group. So much versatility. So many options.

There are a lot of mouths to feed, but this is a good problem to have.

The question with this team is always going to be defense, but holy crap this team has some offensive versatility & firepower. The good thing is Masai can always tinker over the next 3 seasons to bring in some better defending role players. We have the assets to make trades.

I am really looking forward to watching this group develop next season.

[Dexjackson]

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[/url] --> passing starts at 6:08

I've read a lot about his passing/playmaking since the trade. Pre-trade I did not realize how good he was as a playmaker. Some of my thoughts about the offense with him:
-His passing combined with Scottie's passing could really unlock this offense. His reading of the defense and ability to manipulate the defense really stood out.
-Unlike RJ, I don't think you need to totally eliminate his mid range from his shot diet but rather just have him increase the % of 3pt shots and drive to the baskets. Getting him to buy in and use the mid range more selectively to help his efficiency.
-His length stands out as an asset in his passing too.
-I think the Darko's ability to draw out plays coming out of timeouts combined with Ingram's lethal mid range jumper can add another wrinkle to the offense.
-I think he easily becomes our guy in crunch time. He has that aggressiveness and confidence that we don't have right now. He seems to want the ball in those situations.

Overall looking forward to seeing him incorporate in this offense...hopefully he doesn't improve our offense too much when he returns to win us too many games though lol.

Awesome videos. Thanks for sharing. These video's give a completely different view of him as a player. You can see why management wanted to bring him in & why it was worth the (low) risk.

He has better handles than Scottie & he actually looks like a similar, but more refined passer than Scottie (he looks better than Scottie, but Scottie is younger).

His offensive game is what we all hoped Scottie could become. Maybe Scottie will learn from him. Maybe he can be the influence that Scottie needs right now. I like that his temperament is steady. He has a calm maturity about him.

You can also picture him working well with Jakob on the P n R & as a rim runner.

He was also able to make long/ accurate skip passes to 3 point shooters for wide open looks.

Maybe BI becomes our new primary playmaker. Quick can bring the ball up, give the ball to BI (or Scottie) & let them go to work. Quick can get his points off open 3's and off ball actions.

Darko is going to love this group. So much versatility. So many options.

There are a lot of mouths to feed, but this is a good problem to have.

The question with this team is always going to be defense, but holy crap this team has some offensive versatility & firepower. The good thing is Masai can always tinker over the next 3 seasons to bring in some better defending role players. We have the assets to make trades.

I am really looking forward to watching this group develop next season.

I also assumed he was a bit of a ball hog who just wanted to get his but he showed some really nice passing skills in the video. I particularly loved his ability to drive, draw defenders, and kick out to the open shooter (now we just have to get some more shooters lol). His handle seems way ahead of Scottie. He's definitely not creating separation with physically! Scottie would have no way to get by anyone if he wasn't so strong.

His temperament might have to due with him being high. He just seems like he's high 24/7. I played with a guy who used to get ripped before every game to help him focus. Seemed to work for him. It would definitely not help my athletic performance lol.

I think BI's handle probably gives him an advantage over Scottie passing wise. He can manipulate the defense easier to set up his passes. Scottie seems to over rely on the no look passes imo.

Great comment. I don't pretend to have expert technical knowledge of bball (never coached or played high level) but I have watched a lot of ball for many years. I do enjoy having good conversations about bball that is not about argument who's right/wrong.

[TheRaptor!]

Take his entire history with the Pelicans with a grain of salt, including the injury history, they're dysfunctional af.

I wouldnt be surprised if he made a ginormous jump here in TO

[TheRaptor!]

I sense a theme.

Scottie good passes
Yak good passer
Ingram good passer
RJ and IQ since they got to TO...working on their passing.

We talked before how some of the scoring among everyone could get cannibalize, well the same could happen with assists. No "one guy" racking up big numbers but every night lots of guys contributing across the board.

Like no GTJ getting 0-2 assists a night. Seems like we will have lots of guys getting 4-7 and it will vary every night depending on the matchups. No black holes.

2 assists for GTJ is generous too haha. More often he'd give you 15 pts and 0 rbs/ast. Even Gradey who's the closest thing to GTJ as a shooter moves the ball willingly. Personally I would rather watch this kind of basketball than iso heavy ball.

ISO ball is a necessity in the playoffs

We got ISO ball'd into a championship you should know the importance of it

[Dalek]

It is interesting the points about Ingram playing almost as a PG handling pick and rolls. Toronto doesn't run it a lot. Our motion offense is often with the big making decisions rather than straight pick and roll.

To wit, the Raptors are near the bottom of the league (27th) in how often a pick-and-roll ball-handler finishes a possession with a shot, turnover or free throws, per Synergy. They use their screener — usually Jakob Poeltl — a bit more. Together, fewer than 20 per cent of their offensive possessions end immediately following a pick-and-roll action.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/evaluating-key-areas-that-will-determine-brandon-ingrams-fit-with-raptors/

I do think pick and roll is physically demanding for the handler - you have handle the ball and dribble into the paint and take contact.

To reduce the load on Ingram I'd rely on the catch and shoot. I mentioned it earlier, but he has great C&S numbers at 39% over the past three years. It may be an adjustment for him which may not work out, but him being a scoring option doesn't have to mean he is the lead initiator.

I'd save his ISO offense for late game and the playoffs. We should be also not playing him too much on b2bs and resting him intentionally and not waiting for him to be injured. If we get him for 60 games but the whole playoffs that is good and likely inline with most ageing star players.

We don’t really run it because we don’t have anyone who is kinda great at it.

Ingram will 100% change that.

I feel like it is more systemic than anything. We have Quickley and Shead who seem like they would be good in pick and roll and even RJ at the early part of the season ran Jak pick and rolls. Over the past two months it seems like the evolved system is more motion based with bigs making decisions and guards working more off-ball.

At least that is my read of it. I think it is a conscious decision to not run PnRs. In general I think we are getting away from any dribble heavy sets which may not be easy for Ingram.

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[MiamiSPX]

3-year 120M according to Shams.

[Kingsway_fan]

Expecting Raptors to extend Yak this summer... guesses on contract?

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[Basketball_Jones]

Really surprised at all the positive stuff about Toronto from Ingram. I feel like they’ve been working on this trade for a while for sure. I always have that “I hope he likes us” type of thinking when it comes to American players