Derik Queen

[SeattleJazzFan]

just seems like that queen archetype always struggles in the nba, but is generally really good in college. that denter who is wide bodied, on the short side, good feet/soft touch which makes them great scorers and rebounders in college, but once they get to the nba, they can't guard anybody, nba teams don't pound it into the post, they can't protect the rim etc.

jahlil okafor, vernon carey, sullinger, etc.

[FarBeyondDriven]

just seems like that queen archetype always struggles in the nba, but is generally really good in college. that denter who is wide bodied, on the short side, good feet/soft touch which makes them great scorers and rebounders in college, but once they get to the nba, they can't guard anybody, nba teams don't pound it into the post, they can't protect the rim etc.

jahlil okafor, vernon carey, sullinger, etc.

he's really nothing like them though. He'll play a Sabonis/Sengun/Jokic role on offense which, like with those players, will be enough to make up for the lack of defense.

[vincecarter4pres]

just seems like that queen archetype always struggles in the nba, but is generally really good in college. that denter who is wide bodied, on the short side, good feet/soft touch which makes them great scorers and rebounders in college, but once they get to the nba, they can't guard anybody, nba teams don't pound it into the post, they can't protect the rim etc.

jahlil okafor, vernon carey, sullinger, etc.

he's really nothing like them though. He'll play a Sabonis/Sengun/Jokic role on offense which, like with those players, will be enough to make up for the lack of defense.

Yeah he’s legit nothing like any of those guys.

[CptCrunch]

Derik Queen has decent handles for his size, but it is ludicrous expecting him to develop in the mold of Sabonis. There is just no prior from Americans power forwards to develop in this way.

Sabonis, Sengun and Jokic experienced a lifetime of European coaching during their youth. Basketball is just taught differently in Europe. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Queen is much likely to follow in the steps of Okafor, Sullinger than Sengun and Sabonis.

Queen lacks the mobility and ball handling skills to be more of a Paolo. If he were to change his body within 2-3 years, that is his absolute peak ceiling trajectory case.

Sabonis is a product of Spain, moved out of US when he was 7 so don't even try

[EvanZ]

Honestly might end up more like Jalen Smith.

[vincecarter4pres]

I just am not seeing these size/length or mobility concerns for him, he is a 5 at the next level and not small for that position. He looks a legit 6’10” with a massive wingspan.

He’s a bit pudgy and soft, but not some fat **** like Sullinger or Zach Randolph.

He’s pretty damn mobile on both sides of the ball, not bricks for feet like Al Jeff.

And he doesn’t seem to live in the post, nor have to ball stop isolate with his back to the basket.

I’m not looking to make any fully definitive statements on him yet at the next level, having seen him once. I fell asleep early 1st half a few weeks ago watching the game I dvr’ed and it erased, so today’s game is my only true viewing.

But I saw enough to see the comparisons to guys like Sullinger and Zach Randolph seem laughable, along with other fat, garbage can feet, alligator arm immobile squat power forwards.

[vincecarter4pres]

Derik Queen has decent handles for his size, but it is ludicrous expecting him to develop in the mold of Sabonis. There is just no prior from Americans power forwards to develop in this way.

Sabonis, Sengun and Jokic experienced a lifetime of European coaching during their youth. Basketball is just taught differently in Europe. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Queen is much likely to follow in the steps of Okafor, Sullinger than Sengun and Sabonis.

Queen lacks the mobility and ball handling skills to be more of a Paolo. If he were to change his body within 2-3 years, that is his absolute peak ceiling trajectory case.

Sabonis is a product of Spain, moved out of US when he was 7 so don't even try

Webber? Derrick Coleman? Jermaine O’Neale? Sheed? LMA?

[clyde21]

I said Z-Bo from the beginning and that's who I am sticking with, very similar analogue to Queen in his Memphis years, but that's a high end outcome. the problem with a comp like this is a lot of Z-Bo was intangible and it's tough to project something like that. Queen is gonna have to do it his own way and he's gonna have to land on a staff that's willing to give him enough rope to develop his own role and ways to contribute.

[The-Power]

Looking like the best Freshman in a game featuring Harper and Bailey. Obviously it's only a single game but it shows what he could be in the NBA. Lots of things he has to work on still (in terms of his physical shape, shooting, crispness of his passing and even the finishing where he misses too many makeable shots close to the rim) but a player who can play the 5 and attack off the dribble and in the post like he can while also showing a good feel for the game can be difficult to guard even for NBA defenses.

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The idea that he is held back by his lack of mobility and limited ball handling is something I don't quite understand. Relative to his position those are strengths of his. He can and should still improve, sure, but the baseline is very strong for a big man coming out of college.

[Chuck Everett]

Derik Queen has decent handles for his size, but it is ludicrous expecting him to develop in the mold of Sabonis. There is just no prior from Americans power forwards to develop in this way.

Sabonis, Sengun and Jokic experienced a lifetime of European coaching during their youth. Basketball is just taught differently in Europe. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Queen is much likely to follow in the steps of Okafor, Sullinger than Sengun and Sabonis.

Queen lacks the mobility and ball handling skills to be more of a Paolo. If he were to change his body within 2-3 years, that is his absolute peak ceiling trajectory case.

Sabonis is a product of Spain, moved out of US when he was 7 so don't even try

Webber? Derrick Coleman? Jermaine O’Neale? Sheed? LMA?

If Queen was a legit 6'11 like Sheed, Jermaine and Aldridge, a lot of people would be higher on him. His measurements are important. How tall is he? What's his wingspan like? If he was 6'11 with a 7'4 wingspan, he'd could probably fly up the boards. If he's 6'8 with a 6'11 wingspan, well, I don't know.

[jasonxxx102]

Players like this are nearly impossible to eval in college. Very little of what he is doing in college is translatable to the NBA. He looks like an undersized 5 who isn't really all that good defensively and is an average athlete.

Is he gonna be a DHO facilitator from the elbow in the NBA? Probably not. I don't understand the Sabonis comps at all. CptCrunch is 100% correct about European vs American bigs and just how differently they approach the game.

[CptCrunch]

I watched a bunch of Queen highlight. This is a smart kid with high basketball IQ (for his size).

I have no doubt that if you gave him unlimited reps, allowed him to fail at the detriment to your team; there is a great chance he can be molded into a useful PF/C player in the league.

The only issue with the above line is that typically non-top picks are expected to play roles in their early career - rebound/defense forwards, 3+D forwards, pure shooters, combo guards, pure point guards. Queen doesn't play any of these roles to my estimation. These roles are what contributes to winning basketball.

You are essentially asking him to chart his own path - being so good that a team is willing to give him the chance to a rookie playing heavy minutes, only if you believe in his talent, which I am at most 65/35 about.

You cannot draft him ahead of Flagg, Harper. Probably not head of Bailey, VJ, Kasparas.

Tre, Kon, Egor, Fears, Asa and Maluach all have good roles and archtypes. Queen has to be in this group at the 6-10 mark.

[CptCrunch]

Reminds me of a smaller tweener Boogie Cousin in build, Scottie Barnes in movement, Zach Randolph in game.

[Rodrickle]

Derik Queen has decent handles for his size, but it is ludicrous expecting him to develop in the mold of Sabonis. There is just no prior from Americans power forwards to develop in this way.

Sabonis, Sengun and Jokic experienced a lifetime of European coaching during their youth. Basketball is just taught differently in Europe. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Queen is much likely to follow in the steps of Okafor, Sullinger than Sengun and Sabonis.

Queen lacks the mobility and ball handling skills to be more of a Paolo. If he were to change his body within 2-3 years, that is his absolute peak ceiling trajectory case.

Sabonis is a product of Spain, moved out of US when he was 7 so don't even try

Dumb and lazy generalizations. Skills are skills. He won't be sabonis because Sabonis is bigger, super strong, very physical, better motor and slightly better skills. There are plenty of forwards that had great careers with a similar game to Queen (zbo, cweb who was better than sabonis) and plenty who weren't at the same level. Pekovic for example. I get that individual skills are worked on more at the AAU level in comparison to Europe' s team play but talent/skills/work ethic ultimately determines success.

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[EvanZ]

Derik Queen has decent handles for his size, but it is ludicrous expecting him to develop in the mold of Sabonis. There is just no prior from Americans power forwards to develop in this way.

Sabonis, Sengun and Jokic experienced a lifetime of European coaching during their youth. Basketball is just taught differently in Europe. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Queen is much likely to follow in the steps of Okafor, Sullinger than Sengun and Sabonis.

Queen lacks the mobility and ball handling skills to be more of a Paolo. If he were to change his body within 2-3 years, that is his absolute peak ceiling trajectory case.

Sabonis is a product of Spain, moved out of US when he was 7 so don't even try

Webber? Derrick Coleman? Jermaine O’Neale? Sheed? LMA?

If Queen was a legit 6'11 like Sheed, Jermaine and Aldridge, a lot of people would be higher on him. His measurements are important. How tall is he? What's his wingspan like? If he was 6'11 with a 7'4 wingspan, he'd could probably fly up the boards. If he's 6'8 with a 6'11 wingspan, well, I don't know.

Bro do you really think he’s just 6’8”?

[CptCrunch]

Webber? Derrick Coleman? Jermaine O’Neale? Sheed? LMA?

If Queen was a legit 6'11 like Sheed, Jermaine and Aldridge, a lot of people would be higher on him. His measurements are important. How tall is he? What's his wingspan like? If he was 6'11 with a 7'4 wingspan, he'd could probably fly up the boards. If he's 6'8 with a 6'11 wingspan, well, I don't know.

Bro do you really think he’s just 6’8”?

Queen is listed at 6'10". Average NBA player adds 1.4 inches. So we are talking about 6'9" in the best case, probably closer to 6'8.5" in the average case. It's all but given that he is 6'8" something without shoes.

The bigger issue is his inaccurate weight. Maryland has this dude called Julian Reese listed at 6'9" with shoes, 253 lbs. Queen is supposed to be a 6 lbs lighter, basically the same weight when we are talking about 250 lbs men here.





You tell me if these two guys weigh the same. Don't want to get into picture based height measurements, but Queen is a smidge taller with a much higher shoulder and shorter neck (and larger hair size).

[CP War Hawks]

If Queen was a legit 6'11 like Sheed, Jermaine and Aldridge, a lot of people would be higher on him. His measurements are important. How tall is he? What's his wingspan like? If he was 6'11 with a 7'4 wingspan, he'd could probably fly up the boards. If he's 6'8 with a 6'11 wingspan, well, I don't know.

Bro do you really think he’s just 6’8”?

Queen is listed at 6'10". Average NBA player adds 1.4 inches. So we are talking about 6'9" in the best case, probably closer to 6'8.5" in the average case. It's all but given that he is 6'8" something without shoes.

The bigger issue is his inaccurate weight. Maryland has this dude called Julian Reese listed at 6'9" with shoes, 253 lbs. Queen is supposed to be a 6 lbs lighter, basically the same weight when we are talking about 250 lbs men here.





You tell me if these two guys weigh the same. Don't want to get into picture based height measurements, but Queen is a smidge taller with a much higher shoulder and shorter neck (and larger hair size).

His shoulders are much higher. I mean I get measurements top of the head, but who cares if a guy has a longer or shorter neck that can skew height a bit. Way more interested in the length of arms and hands.

[EvanZ]

If Queen was a legit 6'11 like Sheed, Jermaine and Aldridge, a lot of people would be higher on him. His measurements are important. How tall is he? What's his wingspan like? If he was 6'11 with a 7'4 wingspan, he'd could probably fly up the boards. If he's 6'8 with a 6'11 wingspan, well, I don't know.

Bro do you really think he’s just 6’8”?

Queen is listed at 6'10". Average NBA player adds 1.4 inches. So we are talking about 6'9" in the best case, probably closer to 6'8.5" in the average case. It's all but given that he is 6'8" something without shoes.

The bigger issue is his inaccurate weight. Maryland has this dude called Julian Reese listed at 6'9" with shoes, 253 lbs. Queen is supposed to be a 6 lbs lighter, basically the same weight when we are talking about 250 lbs men here.





You tell me if these two guys weigh the same. Don't want to get into picture based height measurements, but Queen is a smidge taller with a much higher shoulder and shorter neck (and larger hair size).

“Maryland has this dude Julian Reese”

Bro you honestly don’t know who Julian Reese is? How can you say you follow the draft and you don’t know Julian Reese? He was a prospect before anyone even knew his sister played lol.

[zike_42]

If Queen was a legit 6'11 like Sheed, Jermaine and Aldridge, a lot of people would be higher on him. His measurements are important. How tall is he? What's his wingspan like? If he was 6'11 with a 7'4 wingspan, he'd could probably fly up the boards. If he's 6'8 with a 6'11 wingspan, well, I don't know.

Bro do you really think he’s just 6’8”?

Queen is listed at 6'10". Average NBA player adds 1.4 inches. So we are talking about 6'9" in the best case, probably closer to 6'8.5" in the average case. It's all but given that he is 6'8" something without shoes.

He's listed at 6'10", which means he's actually 6'8.5", round that down to 6'8", and if he hasn't had breakfast then he's 6'6", and then it's a full moon so take off two inches so 6'4", and the geographical curve of the earth on the eastern side of the United States makes him 6'1.25".

Sorry CptCrunch, I'm not doubting your reasoning, but the way you wrote that sounded funny in my head.

[RookieStar]

I gotta admit, with all the shenanigans college/univ does their player profile, it certainly is acceptable to doubt what they give until we have the combine.

I mean, anyone here remember the following listed profiles before the NBA:

Cade 6'8
Zion 6'8
Jameer 6'0

etc etc??