Shams: BI extension (3 Years $120M) **Presser at 5:15pm** Link Pg. 24

[kalel123]

ok he got his extension, we should absolutely sit him out for the rest of the year.
Scottie - 38M
Ingram - 40M
IQ - 32M
RJ - 27M (extension eligible)
Poeltl - 19.5M (extension eligible)

very expensive starting lineup with very little playoff experience.

Is it that expensive? Seems pretty normal to me.

It’s expensive but that kinda goes away if they’re a top 6 seed team.

If they aren’t that, IQ or RJ are a goner.

One of them should go regardless and soon. We need another plus defender in that lineup.

[Risk101]

See now the trade is not that bad. 3 years instead of 5 I can live with.

5 wasn’t possible. 3 was the most prior to the deadline in June I believe.

I thought since we had his bird rights we could sign him the maximum amount of years.

[canada_dry]

The thing with the player option, you gotta kinda throw that in there when you want to give them less term...its a bit of a give and take.

I didn't like it for GTJ because wth, why are we doing that for a player of his status

But for BI its totally understandable as the cost of doing business imo.

[COY0607]

ok he got his extension, we should absolutely sit him out for the rest of the year.
Scottie - 38M
Ingram - 40M
IQ - 32M
RJ - 27M (extension eligible)
Poeltl - 19.5M (extension eligible)

very expensive starting lineup with very little playoff experience.

Yikes!

[ForeverTFC]

5-6 million you mean?

No. He is starting at $38M.

Yes he's currently starting at 38 million this year but people going estimates of 34-35 million/year despite it being a pay cut were not just off by 3 million.

In total, yes. The guy you quoted was talking about year 1 starting salary.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Scottie's next 3 years on his contract come out to around $125 million. So BI is getting slightly less than Scottie, which seems about right for now since this is "Scottie's team" at the moment.

[Risk101]

Masai is just building talent at this point so he can possibly strike on another Kawhi type of deal in the future is what I am assuming.

I also believe either RJ or Poeltl will be traded in the offseason depending on where we end up in the draft.

The way the roster is currently constructed I don't see those guys on the roster for the beginning of next season.

[Jerry Lucas]

Interesting that the first year salary is 38M, when they could have gone 1 million lower on the 1st year. Not surprised about the PO being in there though, this is the Toronto Raptors we're talking about here. What else did you guys expect?

[Scase]

If they were going to hand out a player option, should've made it 4-year deal with 4th year being player option. Much easier to swallow the PO with one more year or 3-year window to see how the core works.

Cant extend to 4 years, only 3.

[Scase]

ok he got his extension, we should absolutely sit him out for the rest of the year.
Scottie - 38M
Ingram - 40M
IQ - 32M
RJ - 27M (extension eligible)
Poeltl - 19.5M (extension eligible)

very expensive starting lineup with very little playoff experience.

Is it that expensive? Seems pretty normal to me.

It’s expensive but that kinda goes away if they’re a top 6 seed team.

If they aren’t that, IQ or RJ are a goner.

A 6th seed right now is a .500 record. I would hope you'd get more for 160mil and all that experience. If we are attempting the trade a paperclip for a house, method here, then yeah RJ needs to go in the off season.

[douggood]

Masai is just building talent at this point so he can possibly strike on another Kawhi type of deal in the future is what I am assuming.

I also believe either RJ or Poeltl will be traded in the offseason depending on where we end up in the draft.

The way the roster is currently constructed I don't see those guys on the roster for the beginning of next season.

people are getting hung up on the actual dollar value, numbers are so big now
but lets compare the team cap wise to the season before we got kawhi

kyle 29% of cap (31 years old)
demar 28% (28 years old)
ibaka 21% (28 years old)
jonas 15.6 (25 years)
cj miles 8% (30 years)
~101% of cap
plus young bench

vs now

barnes25%
ingram24.5%
iq 21%
rj 18%
jacob 12.6%
~ 101% of cap
plus young bench.

[navyblue]

Masai is just building talent at this point so he can possibly strike on another Kawhi type of deal in the future is what I am assuming.

I also believe either RJ or Poeltl will be traded in the offseason depending on where we end up in the draft.

The way the roster is currently constructed I don't see those guys on the roster for the beginning of next season.

people are getting hung up on the actual dollar value, numbers are so big now
but lets compare the team cap wise to the season before we got kawhi

kyle 29% of cap (31 years old)
demar 28% (28 years old)
ibaka 21% (28 years old)
jonas 15.6 (25 years)
cj miles 8% (30 years)
~101% of cap
plus young bench

vs now

barnes25%
ingram24.5%
iq 21%
rj 18%
jacob 12.6%
~ 101% of cap
plus young bench.

QED

[shmoosicle]

I don't really think he's worth it so no not a great deal in my eyes but could have been a lot worse.

[causal_fan]

If I'm ownership, I'm not going into the tax for a non-contending team.

[Harry Palmer]

If this draft pick is a home run franchise player we’re set up pretty well. If it’s not we’re about to waste another half decade in a major hurry to the middle.

[kalel123]

If they were going to hand out a player option, should've made it 4-year deal with 4th year being player option. Much easier to swallow the PO with one more year or 3-year window to see how the core works.

Cant extend to 4 years, only 3.

Yeah, then that last year shouldn't be a player option. I'm undecided whether that would be a deal breaker since AAV is at the borderline of ok but it's obviously undesirable situation. I'm thinking in this situation, the yearly amounts shouldn't be flat. Should start as small as possible and go with maximum increase. Unless things go perfectly in his way with his play and health, at least give him something to think about before opting out. Hope they did that at least.

[DelAbbot]

I think the concession to give a PO makes perfect sense for Masai because
1) It helps lower the AAV which allows more wiggle room under the tax.
2) It motivates BI to stay healthy and play well over the course of next two seasons, which is what will determine Masai's next contract

[douggood]

If they were going to hand out a player option, should've made it 4-year deal with 4th year being player option. Much easier to swallow the PO with one more year or 3-year window to see how the core works.

Cant extend to 4 years, only 3.

Yeah, then that last year shouldn't be a player option. I'm undecided whether that would be a deal breaker since AAV is at the borderline of ok but it's obviously undesirable situation. I'm thinking in this situation, the yearly amounts shouldn't be flat. Should start as small as possible and go with maximum increase. Unless things go perfectly in his way with his play and health, at least give him something to think about before opting out. Hope they did that at least.

they did 38.1-40-41.9

vs with max increases
37-40-43

[Scase]

If they were going to hand out a player option, should've made it 4-year deal with 4th year being player option. Much easier to swallow the PO with one more year or 3-year window to see how the core works.

Cant extend to 4 years, only 3.

Yeah, then that last year shouldn't be a player option. I'm undecided whether that would be a deal breaker since AAV is at the borderline of ok but it's obviously undesirable situation. I'm thinking in this situation, the yearly amounts shouldn't be flat. Should start as small as possible and go with maximum increase. Unless things go perfectly in his way with his play and health, at least give him something to think about before opting out. Hope they did that at least.

I agree, I think it was a bad move, 40mil and a PO is just dumb. Hell I would've been in more support of 45mil and a TO on the last year. But this FO has a love affair with giving every single player a PO, it's absurd.

[DelAbbot]

If this draft pick is a home run franchise player we’re set up pretty well. If it’s not we’re about to waste another half decade in a major hurry to the middle.

what if we get a star-potential prospect but who don't produce right away like Edgecomb who takes about 4 years to become the next Russell Westbrook?