Shams: BI extension (3 Years $120M) **Presser at 5:15pm** Link Pg. 24

[phanman]

TSN betting analyst is on Overdrive and just said if Brown left at the end of the year, the Raps would have nothing to show for trading Siakam. Absolutely nothing!

How can a paid guy on TV who covers bball not know Walter and Ochai ate also part if the deal and if we didn't do the deal, we would still have KO+ the 1st.

Unbelievable

Those guys are mainly hockey focused

Who in their right mind pays that much for a big question mark?

He is constantly injured, it forces us to trade one of the other guys and nobody knows how good he actually still can be.
I hope it works out, but i have no confindence in BI whatsoever.

Was Kawhi not just as big a question mark? We didn't even know if he would show. Kyle was super ticked off losing his friend. That could have all gone bad.

Sure, if you ignore him winning a championship and a FMVP. BI has accomplished nothing in his career aside from a single ASG appearance 6 years ago. Taking a risk on a proven player who has injury concerns is vastly different from a player with no career accomplishments AND injury concerns.

It's also very different when you had a 50+ win team for years in a row unable to get past the hump, vs 2 back to back 20ish win teams.

BI was pretty damn good in the playoffs the year he was healthy in 22 against the Suns: 27pts, 6.2reb, 6.2ast on 58.4%TS (48/41/83)

[Quattro]

More like posters around here are so predictable. Who in their right minds would expect him to take a pay cut?

This place thinks every contract weve ever signed is an overpay

this place also thinks every move the organization makes is a tremendous move

Really? I see a lot more of the opposite view. Usually from the same group of people.

[TimeForChange]

This place thinks every contract weve ever signed is an overpay

this place also thinks every move the organization makes is a tremendous move

Really? I see a lot more of the opposite view. Usually from the same group of people.

I guess we all see things differently...and that's ok

[Zeno]

TSN betting analyst is on Overdrive and just said if Brown left at the end of the year, the Raps would have nothing to show for trading Siakam. Absolutely nothing!

How can a paid guy on TV who covers bball not know Walter and Ochai ate also part if the deal and if we didn't do the deal, we would still have KO+ the 1st.

Unbelievable

I have no problem with differing opinion but people who give lazy opinions based on inaccurate info are hard to accept. Unfortunately this seems to be the majority of people paid to talk about the league.

[sidsid]

Boy that OG contract ain't looking too bad now.

The 40 mil is just enough to strangle any salary flexibility and potentially put you in a tax avoidance squeeze play in trade talks.

The PO in his mid-prime limits his contract as a solid trade asset. Protecting his injury risk and sets him up for a potentially bad - for us - negotiating deal on term likely exiting his prime.

Plenty of short term risk and the tail could be a lot of commitment for an injury risk like him.

Not really setting things up to change my mind on keeping the pick

[Scase]

TSN betting analyst is on Overdrive and just said if Brown left at the end of the year, the Raps would have nothing to show for trading Siakam. Absolutely nothing!

How can a paid guy on TV who covers bball not know Walter and Ochai ate also part if the deal and if we didn't do the deal, we would still have KO+ the 1st.

Unbelievable

Those guys are mainly hockey focused

Was Kawhi not just as big a question mark? We didn't even know if he would show. Kyle was super ticked off losing his friend. That could have all gone bad.

Sure, if you ignore him winning a championship and a FMVP. BI has accomplished nothing in his career aside from a single ASG appearance 6 years ago. Taking a risk on a proven player who has injury concerns is vastly different from a player with no career accomplishments AND injury concerns.

It's also very different when you had a 50+ win team for years in a row unable to get past the hump, vs 2 back to back 20ish win teams.

BI was pretty damn good in the playoffs the year he was healthy in 22 against the Suns: 27pts, 6.2reb, 6.2ast on 58.4%TS (48/41/83)

And he was downright horrendous against OKC putting up 14/4.5/3 on 45% TS% (34/25/89)

He's played 10 total playoff games, neither of those is a reliable set of data to go off of.

[phanman]

TSN betting analyst is on Overdrive and just said if Brown left at the end of the year, the Raps would have nothing to show for trading Siakam. Absolutely nothing!

How can a paid guy on TV who covers bball not know Walter and Ochai ate also part if the deal and if we didn't do the deal, we would still have KO+ the 1st.

Unbelievable

Those guys are mainly hockey focused

Sure, if you ignore him winning a championship and a FMVP. BI has accomplished nothing in his career aside from a single ASG appearance 6 years ago. Taking a risk on a proven player who has injury concerns is vastly different from a player with no career accomplishments AND injury concerns.

It's also very different when you had a 50+ win team for years in a row unable to get past the hump, vs 2 back to back 20ish win teams.

BI was pretty damn good in the playoffs the year he was healthy in 22 against the Suns: 27pts, 6.2reb, 6.2ast on 58.4%TS (48/41/83)

And he was downright horrendous against OKC putting up 14/4.5/3 on 45% TS% (34/25/89)

He's played 10 total playoff games, neither of those is a reliable set of data to go off of.

After he lost Zion in the play-in games and played in exactly 3 games after returning from injury against the #1 seeded, 4th ranked defense

I did mention when he was healthy which is obviously a big caveat, but to say he's accomplished nothing is just disingenuous.

[Tripod]

TSN betting analyst is on Overdrive and just said if Brown left at the end of the year, the Raps would have nothing to show for trading Siakam. Absolutely nothing!

How can a paid guy on TV who covers bball not know Walter and Ochai ate also part if the deal and if we didn't do the deal, we would still have KO+ the 1st.

Unbelievable

Those guys are mainly hockey focused

Was Kawhi not just as big a question mark? We didn't even know if he would show. Kyle was super ticked off losing his friend. That could have all gone bad.

Sure, if you ignore him winning a championship and a FMVP. BI has accomplished nothing in his career aside from a single ASG appearance 6 years ago. Taking a risk on a proven player who has injury concerns is vastly different from a player with no career accomplishments AND injury concerns.

It's also very different when you had a 50+ win team for years in a row unable to get past the hump, vs 2 back to back 20ish win teams.

BI was pretty damn good in the playoffs the year he was healthy in 22 against the Suns: 27pts, 6.2reb, 6.2ast on 58.4%TS (48/41/83)

I know those 3 know hockey....

....they brought on the "expert" who spewed all the misinformation. Any casual listening would not know the real truth.

Him saying the Siakam deal is now BI, Ochai and Walter is vastly different than "if Brown walked at the end of the year, the Raps would have absolutely nothing to show from that deal. Absolutely nothing"

[Scase]

Those guys are mainly hockey focused

BI was pretty damn good in the playoffs the year he was healthy in 22 against the Suns: 27pts, 6.2reb, 6.2ast on 58.4%TS (48/41/83)

And he was downright horrendous against OKC putting up 14/4.5/3 on 45% TS% (34/25/89)

He's played 10 total playoff games, neither of those is a reliable set of data to go off of.

After he lost Zion in the play-in games and played in exactly 3 games after returning from injury against the #1 seeded, 4th ranked defense

I did mention when he was healthy which is obviously a big caveat, but to say he's accomplished nothing is just disingenuous.

He's won 2 playoff games in his 9 year career, that is nothing. He's had 10 total playoff games, like I said, trying to draw any conclusions from a sample size that small is absurd, you just sound like you want to come up with excuses why his good series is meaningful but his bad series isn't. Disingenuous AF

[MoneyBall]

The difference next season between Pascal's money and BI's money will be about $8m less for Toronto, covers BI's age 28 season vs age 31 season for Pascal. And BI is a more complementary player for Scottie.

All good stuff, but Pascal is still overall the better player and doesn't have BI's injury history. There are trade-offs.

[Appostis]

And yet they were only off by $3m, ~2% of the cap

5-6 million you mean?

Doesnt matter. Capwise and Player Historywise, it was clear it CANT be above 40 mil. That why reasonable people were thinking around the 34,35,36 Mark, cause it would let us keep flexibility and to be honest, its easier to swallow if BI misses half the games.

With 40, they just hit the upper Line and now some are running around and mocking people for beeing reasonable.
I dont understand the personal attacks all the time instead of just discussing things on their merits.

It does matter.. the people throwing in numbers like 35 million were never being genuine and just doing it so they could ***** and cry about it later. Some people get their jollies that way, sorry you don't feel that's the case.

The guy was never going to take a pay cut going into his prime years.

[Tripod]

Boy that OG contract ain't looking too bad now.

The 40 mil is just enough to strangle any salary flexibility and potentially put you in a tax avoidance squeeze play in trade talks.

The PO in his mid-prime limits his contract as a solid trade asset. Protecting his injury risk and sets him up for a potentially bad - for us - negotiating deal on term likely exiting his prime.

Plenty of short term risk and the tail could be a lot of commitment for an injury risk like him.

Not really setting things up to change my mind on keeping the pick

What?

Yes OG is being paid more for his defense but he is the 4th scoring option....Ingram will be our 1st....and paid less.

[Tripod]

5-6 million you mean?

Doesnt matter. Capwise and Player Historywise, it was clear it CANT be above 40 mil. That why reasonable people were thinking around the 34,35,36 Mark, cause it would let us keep flexibility and to be honest, its easier to swallow if BI misses half the games.

With 40, they just hit the upper Line and now some are running around and mocking people for beeing reasonable.
I dont understand the personal attacks all the time instead of just discussing things on their merits.

It does matter.. the people throwing in numbers like 35 million were never being genuine and just doing it so they could ***** and cry about it later. Some people get their jollies that way, sorry you don't feel that's the case.

The guy was never going to take a pay cut going into his prime years.

It's funny that the poll started at 40 and only went upwards. There was no uproard that it should start at 35 and go to 45.

[phanman]

And he was downright horrendous against OKC putting up 14/4.5/3 on 45% TS% (34/25/89)

He's played 10 total playoff games, neither of those is a reliable set of data to go off of.

After he lost Zion in the play-in games and played in exactly 3 games after returning from injury against the #1 seeded, 4th ranked defense

I did mention when he was healthy which is obviously a big caveat, but to say he's accomplished nothing is just disingenuous.

He's won 2 playoff games in his 9 year career, that is nothing. He's had 10 total playoff games, like I said, trying to draw any conclusions from a sample size that small is absurd, you just sound like you want to come up with excuses why his good series is meaningful but his bad series isn't. Disingenuous AF

It's not an excuse it's a fact. He rushed his return to help his team make the playoffs and then he lost his best teammate. Anybody who watched that series against OKC last year could tell he wasn't healthy. You said he never he's accomplished nothing and I disagreed stating that he had superstar production against Phoenix.

The Pelicans being a disaster of franchise with Zion's availability is big reason why he only has 10 playoff games to his name.

[Son Goku 25]

Anybody else think it's awesome that an all-star caliber player like Ingram pushed his way to our team and wanted to sign here?

Shows the growth of basketball here and how Toronto is viewed.

That isn't something that wouldn't have happened 10 years ago.

This isn't being talked about enough.

[Scase]

After he lost Zion in the play-in games and played in exactly 3 games after returning from injury against the #1 seeded, 4th ranked defense

I did mention when he was healthy which is obviously a big caveat, but to say he's accomplished nothing is just disingenuous.

He's won 2 playoff games in his 9 year career, that is nothing. He's had 10 total playoff games, like I said, trying to draw any conclusions from a sample size that small is absurd, you just sound like you want to come up with excuses why his good series is meaningful but his bad series isn't. Disingenuous AF

It's not an excuse it's a fact. He rushed his return to help his team make the playoffs and then he lost his best teammate. Anybody who watched that series against OKC last year could tell he wasn't healthy. You said he never he's accomplished nothing and I disagreed stating that he had superstar production against Phoenix.

The Pelicans being a disaster of franchise with Zion's availability is big reason why he only has 10 playoff games to his name.

So playing well for 6 games is accomplishing something now a days? No wonder so many of you support the direction of this team

[Scase]

Anybody else think it's awesome that an all-star caliber player like Ingram pushed his way to our team and wanted to sign here?

Shows the growth of basketball here and how Toronto is viewed.

That isn't something that wouldn't have happened 10 years ago.

This isn't being talked about enough.

Probably because it's not true? There is zero evidence he pushed himself anywhere, there was us, and the Hawks. Maybe he chose us over the Hawks, or maybe the Hawks weren't willing to pay NOPs asking price. But let's not get it twisted like we were some prime destination after having all the worlds options in front of him.

[Raps in 4]

Overpay in terms of AAV but I can't complain about the length of the contract.

[mrdressup]

Fair money for what will likely be our best player. Someone's getting traded at some point to make this all work on paper.

[Raps in 4]

Boy that OG contract ain't looking too bad now.

The 40 mil is just enough to strangle any salary flexibility and potentially put you in a tax avoidance squeeze play in trade talks.

The PO in his mid-prime limits his contract as a solid trade asset. Protecting his injury risk and sets him up for a potentially bad - for us - negotiating deal on term likely exiting his prime.

Plenty of short term risk and the tail could be a lot of commitment for an injury risk like him.

Not really setting things up to change my mind on keeping the pick

OG is getting paid more per year and over a longer period of time. I'd hate to be saddled with that contract for an injury-prone role player. At least BI is off the books in 2-3 years.