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2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#1961 » by jbsays » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:25 pm

greg4012 wrote:
jbsays wrote:I like Bam, but he should not shoot 3s. Last 10 games:

0/2
0/2
1/1
0/0
2/4
2/5
1/5
1/3
1/3
1/5
Total: 8/30 (27%)

Pretty close to his season average of 29% from three.


I've got him at 9/29 for 31% from 3 in last 10 games per bballref game log. That looks consistent with NBA.com tracking data from last 10 games.

It's not about the value it provides as a 30% shooter today. It's about developing his game to be able to punish defenses for sinking and earning more coverage thus enhancing spacing.

Patience for progress.


I used bball reference, so not sure what I missed.

I think he can develop it, but plenty of guys never do. You go to the Y and there are old guys who can no longer dribble past anybody, can't guard anybody, and have the ugliest form in the world but are still knock down shooters. His shot looks nice and his mid range is solid.

I also posted awhile back there's like a handful of guys I would trade for him and I don't think they will be available. There's maybe 3-4 teams in NBA who wouldn't be better by trading their 2nd highest paid player for him and those teams are the ones that are legit championship contenders with a great roster fit.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#1962 » by greg4012 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:29 pm

jbsays wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
jbsays wrote:I like Bam, but he should not shoot 3s. Last 10 games:

0/2
0/2
1/1
0/0
2/4
2/5
1/5
1/3
1/3
1/5
Total: 8/30 (27%)

Pretty close to his season average of 29% from three.


I've got him at 9/29 for 31% from 3 in last 10 games per bballref game log. That looks consistent with NBA.com tracking data from last 10 games.

It's not about the value it provides as a 30% shooter today. It's about developing his game to be able to punish defenses for sinking and earning more coverage thus enhancing spacing.

Patience for progress.


I used bball reference, so not sure what I missed.

I think he can develop it, but plenty of guys never do. You go to the Y and there are old guys who can no longer dribble past anybody, can't guard anybody, and have the ugliest form in the world but are still knock down shooters. His shot looks nice and his mid range is solid.

I also posted awhile back there's like a handful of guys I would trade for him and I don't think they will be available. There's maybe 3-4 teams in NBA who wouldn't be better by trading their 2nd highest paid player for him and those teams are the ones that are legit championship contenders with a great roster fit.


All good perspective I agree with
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Post#1963 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:29 pm

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Those should be the only guards we use. We don’t need to play Rozier another minute. FO and Micky must have some mandate to play Rozier because of the trade of the 1st and contract. They have to cut losses
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Post#1964 » by DayofMourning » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:37 pm

If we play Rozier and Duncan 48 minutes a game, we should be able to draft Harper. Since we aint chipping this year, we may as well draft our superstar.
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Post#1965 » by greg4012 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:39 pm

DayofMourning wrote:If we play Rozier and Duncan 48 minutes a game, we should be able to draft Harper. Since we aint chipping this year, we may as well draft our superstar.


Don't forget Jaime

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Post#1966 » by jbsays » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:41 pm

DayofMourning wrote:If we play Rozier and Duncan 48 minutes a game, we should be able to draft Harper. Since we aint chipping this year, we may as well draft our superstar.


I sort of follow college bball. Mostly Gators. I will have to check Harper out. I haven't seen him play yet. Flagg is pretty crazy from the games I've seen. I think he'll be legit Allstar maybe All NBA. He's got the size, athleticism, and skills to be really good.

I'm looking forward to the conference tournaments and, of course, March Madness.
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Post#1967 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:03 am

jbsays wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
jbsays wrote:I like Bam, but he should not shoot 3s. Last 10 games:

0/2
0/2
1/1
0/0
2/4
2/5
1/5
1/3
1/3
1/5
Total: 8/30 (27%)

Pretty close to his season average of 29% from three.


I've got him at 9/29 for 31% from 3 in last 10 games per bballref game log. That looks consistent with NBA.com tracking data from last 10 games.

It's not about the value it provides as a 30% shooter today. It's about developing his game to be able to punish defenses for sinking and earning more coverage thus enhancing spacing.

Patience for progress.


I used bball reference, so not sure what I missed.

I think he can develop it, but plenty of guys never do. You go to the Y and there are old guys who can no longer dribble past anybody, can't guard anybody, and have the ugliest form in the world but are still knock down shooters. His shot looks nice and his mid range is solid.

I also posted awhile back there's like a handful of guys I would trade for him and I don't think they will be available. There's maybe 3-4 teams in NBA who wouldn't be better by trading their 2nd highest paid player for him and those teams are the ones that are legit championship contenders with a great roster fit.


Bam is at 31% over the last 10, 36% last 8

I’ve given some comps on guys like Bosh Horford and Lopez who began to shoot 3s later in their careers. I believe they all started at 29, Bam is only 27 and it seems to be developing.
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Post#1968 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:05 am

No way people legit think teams aren’t guarding Bam and don’t swarm him and send multiple guys every time he puts the ball on the floor right? Like I’m not reading that on here am I? I must be seeing things
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Post#1969 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:23 am

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23 points on 16 shots is very efficient, for reference Herro is averaging 24 on 18 shots. I want this from Bam or even more going forward, I believe he and Herro need 18-20 shots a night. We need to be spamming actions for them and get them more and more comfortable being high volume go to offensive players. We’re not winning anything so imo this can only help in the long run
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Post#1970 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:42 am

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Post#1971 » by TroubleS0me » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:53 am

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After Herro its between Bam and Wiggins scoring wise. But both they are inconsistent.
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Post#1972 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:55 am

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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After Herro its between Bam and Wiggins scoring wise. But both they are inconsistent.


All 3 are
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Post#1973 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:59 am

The key for Bam moving forward is going to be upping his free throw rate. Tyler made a small leap this season and its been enough to up his and the team's efficiency by a good amount, just by virtue of the large volume of 3's he hits at high %, he doesn't need his free throw rate to be as high (he's at 23% now, Curry floats around that area and that's the model I have for Tyler to be his most successful).

Bam's is still higher than Tyler's, at 30%, but has declined from last year (38%) and has been on a decline over the past few seasons (used to hover around 45%) as the Heat have let him develop his midrange game more. I like that he has those capabilities, but he's never going to be more than at best a minor threat from 3-point range, and his midrange game needs to be something he utilizes more tactically.

Basically, Bam needs to drive with reckless abandon more like he used to. He has the speed and skill to blow by most 4's/5's in the league, and the ones quick enough to stay with him he can bully.

Comparatively, look at a guy like Jimmy, his efficiency is all about his insane FTr, between 55-65% every season in Miami. For comparison's sake, prime Wade (the guy everyone used to complain got all the calls) peaked at 57%, and was actually around 45% for his 08-10 stretch where he was still in his prime but not getting as many calls as he did earlier in his career (in reality I think the calls were about the same, he just lost a half step of quickness that got replaced with strength).

Credit to Jimmy for being insanely crafty, but I think Bam needs to take a page out of Jimmy's book there and focus on getting to the line more, that's what's going to get him back to his old level of production, and its a skill he can maintain as he ages, like Jimmy has. If he can't do that, then Bam's always going to be trapped in that 16-20 ppg range, and at best a #3 option with #2 option skillset.
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Post#1974 » by carnageta » Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:45 am

Bam having his best stretch of the season, while Herro is having his worst.

Before that, Herro was having his best stretch, while Bam was having his worst.


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Post#1975 » by Vertical Limit » Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:56 am

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What are you talking about? As of lately Bam has been the least of our problems.

He dont need to be a problem to be available for trade. Same with Herro.

If some team calls this offseason and says our all nba superstar doesnt seem like he wants to sign a long term commitment, and we arent willing to risk losing him for nothing.. we want to trade you ant edwards for bam and 3 firsts.. you do that trade even if you need to call around for help from other teams and you keep your mouth shut.. you dont counter and say how about rozier, duncan robinson and a protected 2035 pick.

Ant isn't the example I'd have used even though I'd still absolutely trade Bam or Herro for him. But he's such a dumb player as far as BBIQ goes. Just horrendous shot selection.

23 years old and as good as he is, if the timberwolves are crazy enough im giving up anything i got and build around him.


But even for a tier upgrade of bam othrr players and picks for giannis id do..
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Post#1976 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:25 am

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Kobewade11 wrote:bullet dodged


Really?!

We're paying Terry/Duncan/Wiggins 70+Mil$. Ingram is better then all 3, and they gave up nothing to get him.

We "dodged a bluet" in the sense that we volunteered to take a canon ball to the head instead.

So much dead awful money on this chit roster, we're in no position to talk. :nonono:
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Post#1977 » by twix2500 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:36 am

It will be interesting to see how Spo tries to develop Mitchell. His shot is a big weakness to try to overcome. Looking at his form I am not optimistic his shot is a quick fix. It took Lonzo Ball 2 yrs to fix his jumper four yrs before he actually was a very good shooter. It doesn't look like there has been any change in Mitchell shooting mechanics since he got to the nba. Being 6 foot and not a shooter is a very big handicap. Its what ultimately killed Coles career. I am assuming Mitchell will continue to start for a while to give him a chance to play for his new contract this summer.

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Post#1978 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:07 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
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Kobewade11 wrote:bullet dodged


Really?!

We're paying Terry/Duncan/Wiggins 70+Mil$. Ingram is better then all 3, and they gave up nothing to get him.

We "dodged a bluet" in the sense that we volunteered to take a canon ball to the head instead.

So much dead awful money on this chit roster, we're in no position to talk. :nonono:


Yea yea yea..70% of the cap going to Bam/Ingram/Herro doesn’t do much for the team going forward, especially with losing another first round pick in the process. We get Terry and Duncan off the books next year. Sometimes you cant see the forest for the trees Rex.
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Post#1979 » by eddieheatfan » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:20 pm

twix2500 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Spo tries to develop Mitchell. His shot is a big weakness to try to overcome. Looking at his form I am not optimistic his shot is a quick fix. It took Lonzo Ball 2 yrs to fix his jumper four yrs before he actually was a very good shooter. It doesn't look like there has been any change in Mitchell shooting mechanics since he got to the nba. Being 6 foot and not a shooter is a very big handicap. Its what ultimately killed Coles career. I am assuming Mitchell will continue to start for a while to give him a chance to play for his new contract this summer.

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Post#1980 » by 3ballbomber » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:28 pm

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twix2500 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Spo tries to develop Mitchell. His shot is a big weakness to try to overcome. Looking at his form I am not optimistic his shot is a quick fix. It took Lonzo Ball 2 yrs to fix his jumper four yrs before he actually was a very good shooter. It doesn't look like there has been any change in Mitchell shooting mechanics since he got to the nba. Being 6 foot and not a shooter is a very big handicap. Its what ultimately killed Coles career. I am assuming Mitchell will continue to start for a while to give him a chance to play for his new contract this summer.

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His shooting form def leaves a lot to be desired. As good as we are @developing players im not too optimistic. Let’s hope 4 seasons in & now w/ the Heat he can fix that booty technique.
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