NBA Trade Thread #11

[NecessaryEvil]

Just big hell NO to Trae Young! Booker aint all that either, Embiid - health issues all the time..

Only one Giannis from that list, to be worth it..

If Booker became available, I'd go all in with him.

Another guy that hates double teams, no thanks

[Guru]

Just big hell NO to Trae Young! Booker aint all that either, Embiid - health issues all the time..

Only one Giannis from that list, to be worth it..

If Booker became available, I'd go all in with him.

Another guy that hates double teams, no thanks

Looking for a good time?

[kodo]

Has anything come out about what was offered for Coby?

KC put up a video today. Says he does not know what was offered for Coby, but that he is "highly valued internally" and it would take a "monumental" offer for AK to trade him.

My takeaway (not KC's):
He's most likely our PG of the future, we're resigning him and we've cleared a lot of future space to do it.

[CROBulls]

Has anything come out about what was offered for Coby?

KC put up a video today. Says he does not know what was offered for Coby, but that he is "highly valued internally" and it would take a "monumental" offer for AK to trade him.

My takeaway (not KC's):
He's most likely our PG of the future, we're resigning him and we've cleared a lot of future space to do it.

Yiiikeees. AKME

[Infinity2152]

Has anything come out about what was offered for Coby?

KC put up a video today. Says he does not know what was offered for Coby, but that he is "highly valued internally" and it would take a "monumental" offer for AK to trade him.

My takeaway (not KC's):
He's most likely our PG of the future, we're resigning him and we've cleared a lot of future space to do it.

Interesting. SI put out an article three days ago saying the Bulls were planning to invest in Giddey over White per SunTimes reporter J Cowley.

https://www.si.com/nba/bulls/news/chicago-bulls-reportedly-make-big-josh-giddey-decision-01jkhgejnxg7

It's smoke blowing time, lol.

[Indomitable]

Has anything come out about what was offered for Coby?

KC put up a video today. Says he does not know what was offered for Coby, but that he is "highly valued internally" and it would take a "monumental" offer for AK to trade him.

My takeaway (not KC's):
He's most likely our PG of the future, we're resigning him and we've cleared a lot of future space to do it.

Interesting. SI put out an article three days ago saying the Bulls were planning to invest in Giddey over White per SunTimes reporter J Cowley.

https://www.si.com/nba/bulls/news/chicago-bulls-reportedly-make-big-josh-giddey-decision-01jkhgejnxg7

It's smoke blowing time, lol.

Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

[Chi town]

Coby has not been out PG. That’s Giddey and Lonzo.

Coby seems to be our SG of the future.

[Chi town]

Remember Coby can only sign for 140% of his current salary with the Bulls.

16.8M per.

He is paid 12M per right now.

Other team can pay him without restriction.

No way we keep him for 16.8. Someone will pay him 22M+. KCP got that.

I think Ayo comes back on a deal around 15Mish.

Looks like mixed signals to the media. I see no way we can keep him. I expect him to raise his value and then be traded at draft.

[sco]

Remember Coby can only sign for 140% of his current salary with the Bulls.

16.8M per.

He is paid 12M per right now.

Other team can pay him without restriction.

No way we keep him for 16.8. Someone will pay him 22M+. KCP got that.

I think Ayo comes back on a deal around 15Mish.

Looks like mixed signals to the media. I see no way we can keep him. I expect him to raise his value and then be traded at draft.

IMO, neither guy has truly established himself as anything more than a bottom quartile starter/rotation player. Guys like that can get paid more than the MLE, but usually don't.

[Muzbar]

Remember Coby can only sign for 140% of his current salary with the Bulls.

16.8M per.

He is paid 12M per right now.

Other team can pay him without restriction.

No way we keep him for 16.8. Someone will pay him 22M+. KCP got that.

I think Ayo comes back on a deal around 15Mish.

Looks like mixed signals to the media. I see no way we can keep him. I expect him to raise his value and then be traded at draft.

This doesn't get talked about enough.

[jordanwilliams6]

Remember Coby can only sign for 140% of his current salary with the Bulls.

16.8M per.

He is paid 12M per right now.

Other team can pay him without restriction.

No way we keep him for 16.8. Someone will pay him 22M+. KCP got that.

I think Ayo comes back on a deal around 15Mish.

Looks like mixed signals to the media. I see no way we can keep him. I expect him to raise his value and then be traded at draft.

This doesn't get talked about enough.

I had no idea.

There's zero chance Coby will sign for 16.8million given his current bargain contract. He's a legit 20 point scorer on high volume shooting. Even if he never plays on a highly successful team, someone will offer him $25million+ given his age & cap increases.

[jnrjr79]

Remember Coby can only sign for 140% of his current salary with the Bulls.

16.8M per.

He is paid 12M per right now.

Other team can pay him without restriction.

No way we keep him for 16.8. Someone will pay him 22M+. KCP got that.

I think Ayo comes back on a deal around 15Mish.

Looks like mixed signals to the media. I see no way we can keep him. I expect him to raise his value and then be traded at draft.

This doesn't get talked about enough.

Can’t they use their own cap space to get around this, if they have it? Would be a hilarious use of their projected 2026 space.

[Infinity2152]

The 140% cap refers to extensions. Bulls can re-sign him in free agency if they want and he wants. They have plenty of time to discuss it. Expect him to be looking for at least 4 yrs/$120 mill. We have no advantages besides bird rights with the extension cap. If they can convince him to take the extension, great. In the more likely scenario he doesn't he needs to be traded before trade deadline.

Moving it from 120% to 140% wasn't enough. In Coby White's case, 200% is close to market value. Grizzlies ran into a similar problem trying to extend JJJ.

[Ccwatercraft]

Remember Coby can only sign for 140% of his current salary with the Bulls.

16.8M per.

He is paid 12M per right now.

Other team can pay him without restriction.

No way we keep him for 16.8. Someone will pay him 22M+. KCP got that.

I think Ayo comes back on a deal around 15Mish.

Looks like mixed signals to the media. I see no way we can keep him. I expect him to raise his value and then be traded at draft.

He has another year anyway so it has time to play out, I'd be ok if he got a 1-2,yr extension. Not thrilled, but certainly ok. If he gets moved in won't be upset either, because I think he has more thN 2nd round value so itn would have to be a legit offer.

There are times when he really looks like a core piece, but more times that convinced me he's not.

Overall, we're not terribly hamstrung. Phillips, Terry, lonzo, coby, ayo are all locked in for good salary next year..

no superstar contracts 2 TPE's and and all our 1st rd draft picks and a crap ton of space coming up

If it was me, I'd extend Ayo before coby, ymmv

[WesPeace]

Trade White, let Giddey walk if he wants more than 16M per.. re-sign only Ayo 14-16M per season, thats all I'm gonna say..

[Infinity2152]

I'm wondering how people are calculating what they say Giddey is worth in contract dollars? Best way to estimate is look at recent signings and make adjustments by age/skillset level.

2024 Summer:
Immanuel Quickley $32 mill Age 25
Patrick Williams $18 mill Age 22
Isaiah Hartenstein: $29 mill Age 26
Malik Monk $19.5 Age 26
Miles Bridges $25 mill age 26
Derozan $25 mill age 35
KCP $22 mill age 31

Giddey fits somewhere in this range at 22 surely. We could easily point out TONS of flaws in each and every one of those players too. Salary expectations for Coby should probably be around Quickleys contract.

Upping my estimate to Giddey gets at least $20 mill. Probably 4yrs/$100. If we say Giddey is worth $18 mill, and he's going for $22 mill, what's the margin of error with that $18 mill value estimate? Does it even matter how he plays the rest of the season, or we just coming up with numbers based on preferences and not performance?

[jnrjr79]

I'm wondering how people are calculating what they say Giddey is worth in contract dollars? Best way to estimate is look at recent signings and make adjustments by age/skillset level.

2024 Summer:
Immanuel Quickley $32 mill Age 25
Patrick Williams $18 mill Age 22
Isaiah Hartenstein: $29 mill Age 26
Malik Monk $19.5 Age 26
Miles Bridges $25 mill age 26
Derozan $25 mill age 35
KCP $22 mill age 31

Giddey fits somewhere in this range at 22 surely. We could easily point out TONS of flaws in each and every one of those players too. Salary expectations for Coby should probably be around Quickleys contract.

Upping my estimate to Giddey gets at least $20 mill. If we say Giddey is worth $16 mill, and he's going for $20 mill, what's the margin of error with that $16 mill value estimate? Does it even matter how he plays the rest of the season, or we just coming up with numbers based on preferences and not performance?

For him to get paid that, there has to be a team with salary cap space that would be interested. That looks pretty unlikely this offseason. So the only other way for him to get that # would be for the Bulls to do a S&T, which would at least have the upside of bringing some sort of return if you don't want to meet that salary number.

[Infinity2152]

I'm wondering how people are calculating what they say Giddey is worth in contract dollars? Best way to estimate is look at recent signings and make adjustments by age/skillset level.

2024 Summer:
Immanuel Quickley $32 mill Age 25
Patrick Williams $18 mill Age 22
Isaiah Hartenstein: $29 mill Age 26
Malik Monk $19.5 Age 26
Miles Bridges $25 mill age 26
Derozan $25 mill age 35
KCP $22 mill age 31

Giddey fits somewhere in this range at 22 surely. We could easily point out TONS of flaws in each and every one of those players too. Salary expectations for Coby should probably be around Quickleys contract.

Upping my estimate to Giddey gets at least $20 mill. If we say Giddey is worth $16 mill, and he's going for $20 mill, what's the margin of error with that $16 mill value estimate? Does it even matter how he plays the rest of the season, or we just coming up with numbers based on preferences and not performance?

For him to get paid that, there has to be a team with salary cap space that would be interested. That looks pretty unlikely this offseason. So the only other way for him to get that # would be for the Bulls to do a S&T, which would at least have the upside of bringing some sort of return if you don't want to meet that salary number.

Certainly not a lot of cap space around. This is a pretty weak free agency, however. He's the only young top free agent, think the ones that are better are 30+. He can take the QO if he doesn't get at least a $20 mill offer from the Bulls or another team and get paid in 2026, when a ton of teams are predicted to have space. With these massive trades (Butler, Ingram, etc.) have to recalculate team's cap space.

I think it's likely Brooklyn takes a run at him. They'll have like 7 players, no real PG, $90 mill in cap space, and h fits their timline and team better than a older vet would.

[jnrjr79]

I'm wondering how people are calculating what they say Giddey is worth in contract dollars? Best way to estimate is look at recent signings and make adjustments by age/skillset level.

2024 Summer:
Immanuel Quickley $32 mill Age 25
Patrick Williams $18 mill Age 22
Isaiah Hartenstein: $29 mill Age 26
Malik Monk $19.5 Age 26
Miles Bridges $25 mill age 26
Derozan $25 mill age 35
KCP $22 mill age 31

Giddey fits somewhere in this range at 22 surely. We could easily point out TONS of flaws in each and every one of those players too. Salary expectations for Coby should probably be around Quickleys contract.

Upping my estimate to Giddey gets at least $20 mill. If we say Giddey is worth $16 mill, and he's going for $20 mill, what's the margin of error with that $16 mill value estimate? Does it even matter how he plays the rest of the season, or we just coming up with numbers based on preferences and not performance?

For him to get paid that, there has to be a team with salary cap space that would be interested. That looks pretty unlikely this offseason. So the only other way for him to get that # would be for the Bulls to do a S&T, which would at least have the upside of bringing some sort of return if you don't want to meet that salary number.

Certainly not a lot of cap space around. This is a pretty weak free agency, however. He's the only young top free agent, think the ones that are better are 30+. He can take the QO if he doesn't get at least a $20 mill offer from the Bulls or another team and get paid in 2026, when a ton of teams are predicted to have space.

I think it's likely Brooklyn takes a run at him. They'll have like 7 players, no real PG, $90 mill in cap space, and h fits their timline and team better than a older vet would.

Yeah, they are the one team that seems to make sense, given their situation. No idea what they think of Giddey specifically, but they'll have the $$ and he fits the timeline, as you note.

[Infinity2152]

For him to get paid that, there has to be a team with salary cap space that would be interested. That looks pretty unlikely this offseason. So the only other way for him to get that # would be for the Bulls to do a S&T, which would at least have the upside of bringing some sort of return if you don't want to meet that salary number.

Certainly not a lot of cap space around. This is a pretty weak free agency, however. He's the only young top free agent, think the ones that are better are 30+. He can take the QO if he doesn't get at least a $20 mill offer from the Bulls or another team and get paid in 2026, when a ton of teams are predicted to have space.

I think it's likely Brooklyn takes a run at him. They'll have like 7 players, no real PG, $90 mill in cap space, and h fits their timline and team better than a older vet would.

Yeah, they are the one team that seems to make sense, given their situation. No idea what they think of Giddey specifically, but they'll have the $$ and he fits the timeline, as you note.

They are the team that traded for Ben Simmons. Giddey isn't half the defender, but he's a better shooter and doesn't have the mental issues. People who say an offense can't function with Giddey's shooting must have forgotten about Simmons, lol. And Giddey probably comes at close to half the price.