Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[jnrjr79]

Holy groundhog day

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Let's get that compensatory pick!

[nomorezorro]

I think if we can replicate the Bears/Giants 2021 trade, that would make it significantly easier to trade for Garrett. If I remember correctly, the giants got a a 2021 5th and 2022 1st. If we can trade down and get a 2026 1st, we'd virtually be trading just one 1st. And if the Browns say we need to add a couple later picks to make up for trading back, i'd be completely fine with throwing in an extra 4th round pick or two. When trading for a HOF DE like Garrett, those later picks become virtually inconsequential. Obviously there would need to be some conditions met before pulling off a trade like that, specifically rebuilding the OL. But doing those three things, put us in a great position to win, I think.


Step 1: Spend 50m on the OL
Step 2: Trade back and add an extra 1st (giving us 2 in 2026)
Step 3: Trade 2025 1st and 2026 1st Garrett

nobody is going to trade a future first to move up to the #10 pick in this draft. when we traded up to 10, we were doing so for a QB that would likely go first overall in this class

[TheEndIsNigh]

I think if we can replicate the Bears/Giants 2021 trade, that would make it significantly easier to trade for Garrett. If I remember correctly, the giants got a a 2021 5th and 2022 1st. If we can trade down and get a 2026 1st, we'd virtually be trading just one 1st. And if the Browns say we need to add a couple later picks to make up for trading back, i'd be completely fine with throwing in an extra 4th round pick or two. When trading for a HOF DE like Garrett, those later picks become virtually inconsequential. Obviously there would need to be some conditions met before pulling off a trade like that, specifically rebuilding the OL. But doing those three things, put us in a great position to win, I think.


Step 1: Spend 50m on the OL
Step 2: Trade back and add an extra 1st (giving us 2 in 2026)
Step 3: Trade 2025 1st and 2026 1st Garrett

nobody is going to trade a future first to move up to the #10 pick in this draft. when we traded up to 10, we were doing so for a QB that would likely go first overall in this class

Agreed. 10 is kind of a weird spot to be in in this draft. Jeanty is a blue chip, and will likely be there. But a team would really have to love him to trade up for him there. Other than that, we are outside the range for the top tier OL and DL, and probably too early for the second tier guys. I don't see much incentive for a team to trade up, and any of the positional need guys will probably feel like a reach. It doesn't look like it's going to be an exciting day 1 for us, but hopefully we come away with a contributor like the Wright draft.

[patryk7754]

I think if we can replicate the Bears/Giants 2021 trade, that would make it significantly easier to trade for Garrett. If I remember correctly, the giants got a a 2021 5th and 2022 1st. If we can trade down and get a 2026 1st, we'd virtually be trading just one 1st. And if the Browns say we need to add a couple later picks to make up for trading back, i'd be completely fine with throwing in an extra 4th round pick or two. When trading for a HOF DE like Garrett, those later picks become virtually inconsequential. Obviously there would need to be some conditions met before pulling off a trade like that, specifically rebuilding the OL. But doing those three things, put us in a great position to win, I think.


Step 1: Spend 50m on the OL
Step 2: Trade back and add an extra 1st (giving us 2 in 2026)
Step 3: Trade 2025 1st and 2026 1st Garrett

nobody is going to trade a future first to move up to the #10 pick in this draft. when we traded up to 10, we were doing so for a QB that would likely go first overall in this class

I would never say never when it’s literally happened. Not that it’s likely, but it’s clear a realistic possibility

[patryk7754]

Holy groundhog day

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Let's get that compensatory pick!

It’s a third rounder?

[jnrjr79]

Holy groundhog day

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Let's get that compensatory pick!

It’s a third rounder?

Yeah, that's my understanding. Would be pretty nice.

[fleet]

A 3RP in 2025. And a 3RP in 2026. But they are sandwiched between the 3rd and 4th rounds

[GetBuLLish]

What a beat down!
Was interested in the Eagles D and the Chefs O-line.

As an FYI, Cooper DeJean was the pick (#40) we traded for Sweat.

I noticed he also was the one that got beat on that deep throw Mahomes completed to that fast WR they have.

What a bizarre response...

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

A 3RP in 2025. And a 3RP in 2026. But they are sandwiched between the 3rd and 4th rounds

I prefer to think of them as high 4th round picks. Because that is truly what they are.

[Betta Bulleavit]

What a beat down!
Was interested in the Eagles D and the Chefs O-line.

As an FYI, Cooper DeJean was the pick (#40) we traded for Sweat.

I noticed he also was the one that got beat on that deep throw Mahomes completed to that fast WR they have.

What a bizarre response...

I don’t find it bizarre at all. It was noted that a guy that was drafted with a pick that we once owned made a big play. It was countered with the fact that he also got beat on a play as well. It’s all fair game if we’re talking coulda-shoulda-wouldas.

[nitetrain8603]

Part of the problem last night is KC had no issues not trying to establish the run game. They didn't look to swing it to their backs on the outside in the flat, or run it at all. So the Eagles were able to tee off all night and just bullrush KC's OLine since they were not looking for any pass less than 10 yards.

It was bad coaching as much as it was bad play last night. They got thoroughly beat.

Idk man. It’s hard to imagine an Andy Reid team being that unprepared or Reid himself being that badly outcoached. It just felt like the Chiefs were severely outmatched. I laid 50 on the Eagles moneyline, which was a nice double up. I just had a feeling that this was a bad matchup for the Chiefs and it sure as hell was.

Look at the Eagles. Despite the run "not working" and despite Barkley not getting "big yards" (minus one play) when he caught the ball out of the backfield, the Eagles committed to doing it. Why? Because it's another wrinkle the Chiefs have to worry about. They're not able to dial up exotic blitzes like they need to create pressure. They also have to leave guys in man coverage. For Trent McDuffie, that's not a problem but they don't have a lot of depth behind him.

The Chiefs didn't do anything to keep the defense honest. The Eagles front four knew they didn't have to do anything other than get to the QB since they weren't using their RBs. I don't care how good the defense is, if you know the offense can threaten to run or pass, it's going to slow down pressure. If you know they're going to pass all night, then you're able to hit the gas. Not saying what the Eagles did doesn't take talent - it most definitely does. At the same time, it also takes a great scheme. Sometimes a great scheme is the simplest schemes.

Lastly, Reid has been outcoached before. Whether you want to look back at when Nagy originally called plays for him or his time with the Eagles. With that stated, he's a great coach and he'll rebound from this.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Part of the problem last night is KC had no issues not trying to establish the run game. They didn't look to swing it to their backs on the outside in the flat, or run it at all. So the Eagles were able to tee off all night and just bullrush KC's OLine since they were not looking for any pass less than 10 yards.

It was bad coaching as much as it was bad play last night. They got thoroughly beat.

Idk man. It’s hard to imagine an Andy Reid team being that unprepared or Reid himself being that badly outcoached. It just felt like the Chiefs were severely outmatched. I laid 50 on the Eagles moneyline, which was a nice double up. I just had a feeling that this was a bad matchup for the Chiefs and it sure as hell was.

Look at the Eagles. Despite the run "not working" and despite Barkley not getting "big yards" (minus one play) when he caught the ball out of the backfield, the Eagles committed to doing it. Why? Because it's another wrinkle the Chiefs have to worry about. They're not able to dial up exotic blitzes like they need to create pressure. They also have to leave guys in man coverage. For Trent McDuffie, that's not a problem but they don't have a lot of depth behind him.

The Chiefs didn't do anything to keep the defense honest. The Eagles front four knew they didn't have to do anything other than get to the QB since they weren't using their RBs. I don't care how good the defense is, if you know the offense can threaten to run or pass, it's going to slow down pressure. If you know they're going to pass all night, then you're able to hit the gas. Not saying what the Eagles did doesn't take talent - it most definitely does. At the same time, it also takes a great scheme. Sometimes a great scheme is the simplest schemes.

Lastly, Reid has been outcoached before. Whether you want to look back at when Nagy originally called plays for him or his time with the Eagles. With that stated, he's a great coach and he'll rebound from this.

I get what you’re saying. But I don’t think it’s an apples to apples comparison. The Eagles committed to the run after they:

1. Had proven they could beat KC through the air and..
2. Were up two possessions, which is conducive to running the ball.

KC couldn’t do either and were behind to boot. Now, I’m not saying that this made it wise to abandon the run game the way that they did. I just don’t think it would have made a difference. The Eagles were just that much better.

[panthermark]

I noticed he also was the one that got beat on that deep throw Mahomes completed to that fast WR they have.

What a bizarre response...

I don’t find it bizarre at all. It was noted that a guy that was drafted with a pick that we once owned made a big play. It was countered with the fact that he also got beat on a play as well. It’s all fair game if we’re talking coulda-shoulda-wouldas.

Well if we are going to play THAT game, pick 6's are far more rare than getting beat deep for a TD when the game is already effectively over.

Pick 6 half-way through the 2Q on Mahomes and the two-time defending Champs to make the game 16-0. Kind of a big deal in the SuperBowl.

Gives up TD with :43 seconds left in the 3rd Q to Mahomes and the two-time defending champs that "closes" the game to 34-6 -----------> NO ONE CARES

Edit - I was thinking it was Worthy's first TD. But the score on DeJean (sorta...who was the other guy back there?) was on Worthy's 2nd TD, which was under 2 minutes in the 4thQ that made the score 40-20?

Are you **** kidding me?!?!? What the hell is the point in those responses?

Double Edit - DeJean (#33) was not involved in the 50 yard TD. The 24 yard TD looked like zone and it was the safety beat.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-mahomes-24-yard-td-strike-to-worthy-gets-kc-on-board-in-sblix
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-50-yard-td-mahomes-deep-launch-to-worthy-yields-super-bowl-score


Hopkins TD was on the other side of the field.
https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-mahomes-finds-deandre-hopkins-for-7-yard-touchdown-super-bowl-lix

Basically, it wasn't DeJean that got beat for a TD at all. But he did have a pick 6.

[Betta Bulleavit]

What a bizarre response...

I don’t find it bizarre at all. It was noted that a guy that was drafted with a pick that we once owned made a big play. It was countered with the fact that he also got beat on a play as well. It’s all fair game if we’re talking coulda-shoulda-wouldas.

Well if we are going to play THAT game, pick 6's are far more rare than getting beat deep for a TD when the game is already effectively over.

Pick 6 half-way through the 2Q on Mahomes and the two-time defending Champs to make the game 16-0. Kind of a big deal in the SuperBowl.

Gives up TD with :43 seconds left in the 3rd Q to Mahomes and the two-time defending champs that "closes" the game to 34-6 -----------> NO ONE CARES

Edit - I was thinking it was Worthy's first TD. But the score on DeJean (sorta...who was the other guy back there?) was on Worthy's 2nd TD, which was under 2 minutes in the 4thQ that made the score 40-20?

Are you **** kidding me?!?!? What the hell is the point in those responses?

Double Edit - DeJean (#33) was not involved in the 50 yard TD. The 24 yard TD looked like zone and it was the safety beat.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-mahomes-24-yard-td-strike-to-worthy-gets-kc-on-board-in-sblix
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-50-yard-td-mahomes-deep-launch-to-worthy-yields-super-bowl-score


Hopkins TD was on the other side of the field.
https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-mahomes-finds-deandre-hopkins-for-7-yard-touchdown-super-bowl-lix

Basically, it wasn't DeJean that got beat for a TD at all. But he did have a pick 6.

I don’t see what the point of bringing up DeJean at all was (at least not in relation to us). If we had the pick, what’s the likelihood that we’d have taken him specifically? Given our secondary position at the time….slim to none. I just feel like there’s only so much crying we can do over spilled milk. He’s a guy that they took that made a play on the big stage. Let’s just look for our guy. Gawking at who another team drafted isn’t going to better our situation.

[panthermark]

I don’t find it bizarre at all. It was noted that a guy that was drafted with a pick that we once owned made a big play. It was countered with the fact that he also got beat on a play as well. It’s all fair game if we’re talking coulda-shoulda-wouldas.

Well if we are going to play THAT game, pick 6's are far more rare than getting beat deep for a TD when the game is already effectively over.

Pick 6 half-way through the 2Q on Mahomes and the two-time defending Champs to make the game 16-0. Kind of a big deal in the SuperBowl.

Gives up TD with :43 seconds left in the 3rd Q to Mahomes and the two-time defending champs that "closes" the game to 34-6 -----------> NO ONE CARES

Edit - I was thinking it was Worthy's first TD. But the score on DeJean (sorta...who was the other guy back there?) was on Worthy's 2nd TD, which was under 2 minutes in the 4thQ that made the score 40-20?

Are you **** kidding me?!?!? What the hell is the point in those responses?

Double Edit - DeJean (#33) was not involved in the 50 yard TD. The 24 yard TD looked like zone and it was the safety beat.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-mahomes-24-yard-td-strike-to-worthy-gets-kc-on-board-in-sblix
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-50-yard-td-mahomes-deep-launch-to-worthy-yields-super-bowl-score


Hopkins TD was on the other side of the field.
https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-mahomes-finds-deandre-hopkins-for-7-yard-touchdown-super-bowl-lix

Basically, it wasn't DeJean that got beat for a TD at all. But he did have a pick 6.

I don’t see what the point of bringing up DeJean at all was (at least not in relation to us). If we had the pick, what’s the likelihood that we’d have taken him specifically? Given our secondary position at the time….slim to none. I just feel like there’s only so much crying we can do over spilled milk. He’s a guy that they took that made a play on the big stage. Let’s just look for our guy. Gawking at who another team drafted isn’t going to better our situation.

You already said why in your own post.
It was noted that a guy that was drafted with a pick that we once owned made a big play.
This nothing new. Anytime draft capital is given up for something, it is always curious to follow what happens with those picks. The same thing happens in reverse when the players drafted from the trade down with the Panthers are discussed. "That trade turned into X, Y and Z players".

[Betta Bulleavit]

Well if we are going to play THAT game, pick 6's are far more rare than getting beat deep for a TD when the game is already effectively over.

Pick 6 half-way through the 2Q on Mahomes and the two-time defending Champs to make the game 16-0. Kind of a big deal in the SuperBowl.

Gives up TD with :43 seconds left in the 3rd Q to Mahomes and the two-time defending champs that "closes" the game to 34-6 -----------> NO ONE CARES

Edit - I was thinking it was Worthy's first TD. But the score on DeJean (sorta...who was the other guy back there?) was on Worthy's 2nd TD, which was under 2 minutes in the 4thQ that made the score 40-20?

Are you **** kidding me?!?!? What the hell is the point in those responses?

Double Edit - DeJean (#33) was not involved in the 50 yard TD. The 24 yard TD looked like zone and it was the safety beat.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-mahomes-24-yard-td-strike-to-worthy-gets-kc-on-board-in-sblix
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-50-yard-td-mahomes-deep-launch-to-worthy-yields-super-bowl-score


Hopkins TD was on the other side of the field.
https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-mahomes-finds-deandre-hopkins-for-7-yard-touchdown-super-bowl-lix

Basically, it wasn't DeJean that got beat for a TD at all. But he did have a pick 6.

I don’t see what the point of bringing up DeJean at all was (at least not in relation to us). If we had the pick, what’s the likelihood that we’d have taken him specifically? Given our secondary position at the time….slim to none. I just feel like there’s only so much crying we can do over spilled milk. He’s a guy that they took that made a play on the big stage. Let’s just look for our guy. Gawking at who another team drafted isn’t going to better our situation.

You already said why in your own post.
It was noted that a guy that was drafted with a pick that we once owned made a big play.
This nothing new. Anytime draft capital is given up for something, it is always curious to follow what happens with those picks. The same thing happens in reverse when the players drafted from the trade down with the Panthers are discussed. "That trade turned into X, Y and Z players".

Idk, maybe I missed the context of the comment. If the point was that you should value every pick because you never know where a difference maker may be, I’d agree 1000%. However, if the point was that we screwed up because we could have used that pick on DeJean specifically, that’s where I get lost because we likely wouldn’t have HIM even had we kept the pick.

[fleet]

Point is, pick had certain value, and there should be certain return on the sacrifice. I’d say we’re in the hole ATM considering the money. And the window for a 29 YO that has perhaps begun to show signs of tread wear is not open for a long time to get that certain return.

[dice]

A 3RP in 2025. And a 3RP in 2026. But they are sandwiched between the 3rd and 4th rounds

ridiculously good compensation for an assistant GM. kinda silly that comp picks exist TBH

[dice]

Point is, pick had certain value, and there should be certain return on the sacrifice. I’d say we’re in the hole ATM considering the money. And the window for a 29 YO that has perhaps begun to show signs of tread wear is not open for a long time to get that certain return.

and the above market contract

[fleet]

A 3RP in 2025. And a 3RP in 2026. But they are sandwiched between the 3rd and 4th rounds

ridiculously good compensation for an assistant GM. kinda silly that comp picks exist TBH

There should be a sliding scale based on grading the work done. He appears worth about one 5th rounder, and reparations for the price of Bears gear over 3 years