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[Purple+Black]

Where are all the posters who thought he would sign a deal starting at $34m?

This organization is so predictable.

it will probably start around there actually

No it wont

Nice username, so predictable

[WuTang_CMB]

Overall very good business for Masai and Bobby. Not just with BI trade and extension but the whole deadline. The BI trade is a definite A now, no question.

Adding BI and a top pick next year will be a huge influx of talent which is what this team needs.

Then we can keep growing and see what fits/doesnt. Rj? Etc

The east is shaky no reason why we cant be .500 or better next year if healthy.

[ConSarnit]

5-6 million you mean?

Doesnt matter. Capwise and Player Historywise, it was clear it CANT be above 40 mil. That why reasonable people were thinking around the 34,35,36 Mark, cause it would let us keep flexibility and to be honest, its easier to swallow if BI misses half the games.

With 40, they just hit the upper Line and now some are running around and mocking people for beeing reasonable.
I dont understand the personal attacks all the time instead of just discussing things on their merits.

It does matter.. the people throwing in numbers like 35 million were never being genuine and just doing it so they could ***** and cry about it later. Some people get their jollies that way, sorry you don't feel that's the case.

The guy was never going to take a pay cut going into his prime years.

Those who thought he would take a lesser contract don’t understand how the league works.

Ingram got the 25% max PRIOR to making the all-star team. In what world is a 27 year old who has been an all-star going to take a paycut? And add on that by all accounts Ingram was looking for a 30% max. There was no world in which he was taking a paycut relative to the cap. Those people were dreaming.

Outside of guys who suffered major injuries I’d like to know one single player who fits Ingram’s profile (in their prime 27 year old all-star) who took a paycut?

[xAIRNESSx]

Masai's lost his touch.

Should've offered him no more than $60M/3 years.

[Los_29]

Masai continues to cook. Great deal. Less than what we predicted.

[Jermaine OBosh]

Even though it's a good contract, I hope it includes some incentives—kind of like IQ's contract. Which allows us to save some money.

[Mr_NC]

No raptors discount as expected but at least it’s not over 40

[Raptorfan2012]

So if Ingram declines his player option, does he become an RFA? Do we retain his Bird rights?

[Appostis]

So if Ingram declines his player option, does he become an RFA? Do we retain his Bird rights?

From what I can find, if the option by the team or player is declined they turn to UFA unfortunately.

OG for example.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/report-og-anunoby-declines-player-option-enters-unrestricted-free-agency/

[mihaic]

So if Ingram declines his player option, does he become an RFA? Do we retain his Bird rights?

Not RFA, that's usually just after the rookie contracts.
Yes for Bird (we inherit his service with the Pelicans, I think that is how it works)

[Los_29]

OG got paid more and with more term despite having the same durability issues as BI. They are the same age as well.

Really good job from the front office.

[bballsparkin]

Seems reasonable to me. Can't complain. Glad it's not dragged out till summer.

[douggood]

So if Ingram declines his player option, does he become an RFA? Do we retain his Bird rights?

Not RFA, that's usually just after the rookie contracts.
Yes for Bird (we inherit his service with the Pelicans, I think that is how it works)

we have his bird rights, even if he had gone to free agency this summer. you are correct in saying bird rights get inherited.

[RoteSchroder]

Very well said. Only thing I would add to it, is with building the car before having the engine, if that pick doesn't result in the engine, the fall back is what? Trade the wheels, and 3 seats to get the engine, but have a car you can't drive?

The trade much like the jak one, in a vacuum is not bad. The player isn't the problem, the timing again, is. I've said this elsewhere, but had we grabbed a top 5-10 pick this year and next, and then we had a chance to pickup a player like BI cheap, I'd be all over it. I'm just tired of this FO constantly trying to force the issue, they need to stop trying to make fetch happen. No idea if anyone will get that reference lol.

I'm pro-tank, but not really a doomsday type of guy. Honestly, I don't think fans, management or owners have the patience for a 3-5 year rebuild, and if it ends up into a Philly/Detroit/Hawks/Charlotte/etc. type situation, it would basically be torture for the fanbase (MLSE will gladly take the money earned from false hope).

If we don't get the "engine" with the 2025 pick, that kind of shows the downfall of tanking doesn't it? As opposed to getting a guaranteed borderline star who was a #2 pick. We're basically hoping for at least an Ingram level player with our top 5 pick and if we're lucky, a high-end all-star. Look at Ace Bailey vs Ingram..Ace doesn't have that much on-ball creation ability, will he really end up being better than Ingram? Harper, the consensus #2, struggles to finish in traffic and has a low release point on his jumpers like his brother. That could lead to some inconsistencies in the NBA. Ron in the G-league has had three 30+ point games in the last month, one game with 11 threes, yet he's still wildly inconsistent. Dylan's 3 point shooting is also very up and down, can he develop better consistency with that shooting form?

Opportunities also don't necessary appear when you want it to. In two years, BI will likely have settled down with another team or be expensive to trade for or be injury prone to the point where you don't even want him. The situation for players needs to be right..too old and we only have a short window. We could squander our assets like teams did with Durant. If the player is good with no real problems and we have to pay a fortune. We bought very low on BI.

I have had to say this many times, so I'll say it again.

The purpose of the pick isn't just getting a high level player, it is getting a high level player that you have under strict contract control for the better part of a decade. It is having a high impact player on a contract making less than 15mil a year. That kind of contract gives you flexibility to add players like BI and get good teams built. But you don't go out and get the BI player before you have the other parts of the car as in the above analogy.

And so what if the opportunities don't appear when you want them to, whatever happened to Masai and his endless patience? You add a top 5 pick to the roster w/o BI and you still have a solid core to move forward with and grow. This is just another instance of putting the cart before the horse. I'm glad the cost for acquiring BI was low, but as I already stated, the issue is not the asset cost, or even the player, but rather the timing. The KD trade would've been bad cause we would have gutted our roster and not have enough players to field a competitive team. The BI trade is bad because we don't have a good enough team to add him to, adding BI is supposed to be the cherry on the sundae move, not the first 2 scoops of vanilla.

A lot of it seems circumstantial, we have contract control for almost a decade, but also a lot of players need to be developed for almost a decade. We could be just developing players for other teams. Powell, Siakam and Derozan all weren’t at their peaks in Toronto. RJ didn’t work out for the Knicks, Ingram didn’t work out for the Lakers.

Also, if BI gets healthy, he’s our best player. He’s a part of the sundae, not the cherry. The risk is essentially his health. This would be the equivalent of trading for Lowry.

Lowry was 26, not an established player and supposedly a headcase. Ingram is 27, an established player, but injury prone.

Both were traded for mid-level picks.

[SharoneWright]

Ingram making less than Siakam is a real bonus.

[ratul]

Oft injured maxed out team. Yay

[TGM]

We shouldn't compare the Kawhi trade to Ingram trade.

Value wise I personally felt Demar at the time was worth probably equivalent to a Fox. Guy entering his prime, made the playoffs but can't get the team over the hump. We also added Jakob who was a promising big and a first. So Kawhi didn't come cheap, cause the risk of it being an one year deal was quite high.

[Appostis]

Oft injured maxed out team. Yay

Freak injuries aside..IQ is not super injured.
This season he received a fairly freak injury .. but has a played close to 72 games a season.

RBJ averaged 66
Barnes averages 70
Poeltl averaged 67
BI averaged 60.. which would be your first below average of the crew.


Average player misses 17 games a year(65 games played). Team is not a ironman team but oft injuries is a tad dramatic.

[Kingsway_fan]

Oft injured maxed out team. Yay

Most teams are this, no?

All of a sudden we have a sold starting unit and good depth to 12 players... plus a top 8 pick...

We are playoff bound next year ... we need to consolidate to get a very good backup to Yak, if we don't draft a stud there...

[Shakril]

Oft injured maxed out team. Yay

Freak injuries aside..IQ is not super injured.
This season he received a fairly freak injury .. but has a played close to 72 games a season.

RBJ averaged 66
Barnes averages 70
Poeltl averaged 67
BI averaged 60.. which would be your first below average of the crew.


Average player misses 17 games a year(65 games played). Team is not a ironman team but oft injuries is a tad dramatic.

The only reason, why Poeltl, Barnes and RJ missed so many games the last 2 seasons is simply cause there was no need to rush them back. If we were in the Playoff right now, you bet Poeltl & RJ would be playing right now.