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[soxperry]

Starting AJAX has proved one thing. For years we were screaming “surround Giannis with shooters”. Now it looks like all you need around Giannis is athleticism and availability.

I mean Giannis is having a career season with a 4 ppg starting SG. Non shooting Jackson looks like a better fit than oftenly injured DDV or just shooting Beasley.

Flipping Midds for Kuz addresses that need even if it is a downgrade in terms of talent. Bucks are already too talented with Dame/Giannis.

Horst needs to finish this in offseason. He is already late since Bucks are close to wasting another season of Dame/Giannis with too limited offensively Jackson and too slow Brook.

Just do what it takes for some other starting SG. Green or GTJ are also too limited. Keep them for the bench along with Jackson. KPJ and Rollins are also OK for depth.

Just do what it takes for a starting big. I don’t know what fits better. It could be a SF with size to play Kuzma at PF and Giannis at C. It could be a lob threat C.

All I know is that two players are missing in a Dame/Kuzma/Giannis starting lineup and that Bucks will be more than fine with a Green/Trent/Jackson/Bobby/Brook bench.

Im not sure if this season is good evidence for surrounding Giannis with athleticism. Andre, athlete, is a net negative. Green, shooter, is a big positive. The only thing i can think of is that Doc is trying to give Andre time to develop because he knows what that would mean for our long term ceiling. But Andre needs to come off the bench pretty soon here.

[slos]

I don’t believe that Doc actually cares about Jackson’s development. He just threw out there the best defender he had next to Dame. Giannis still dominating in spite of that tells you all you need to know.

[Ron Swanson]

I guess it's tempting to give Doc grace for playing Andre as some sort of long-term play, but I'm not buying it. Think it's as simple as thinking Dame needs some cover on defense so he's falling into the "force a square peg into a round hole" trap. Which is weird because it feels like Doc has actually always valued shooting out of.....well, the shooting guard position (Reddick, Seth Curry, Danny Green). This is why it felt like we were missing one follow-up Bobby or Brook for a starting-2 trade at the deadline.

[emunney]

I think there's some room for nuance -- percentages are less important for low volume shooters with slower releases. Like, there's a difference between Prince and Dre as shooters, and how they're defended, but it's far less than the difference between Prince and AJ, who draws meaningful attention and radically changes the geometry. Even Khris didn't get the kind of perimeter attention AJ gets off the ball.

To me, in a playoff rotation, Giannis-Dame-AJ should have as much court time as possible, with the other two spots dictated by matchups/flow, whether we want to match-up with the other team or try to force them out of something, and generally how well guys are playing.

[crowhead76]

I have a gut feeling after the dust settles on the Lakers Mark Williams stuff, Cam Reddish will be a Buck. He would provide some on ball perimeter defense at least.

[fan230]

It is important to get Green in a shooting groove early on in a game. He has been taking fewer shots recently.

Ajax is definitely a net negative player. Is good for trying hard on defense. Starts yes, but plays low minutes. I wonder how Ajax would do with a full court press as Jevon Carter would use.

Like Green, Trent is a player who is very good once he gets into a rhythm. Doc needs to alternate Green and Trent to see who has a hot hand on a given day. Maybe both on certain days.

Not sure why Doc is not giving either Sims or Tyler chances to play. I believe he should, starting today.

Pat C will play short minutes. He has been useful fior many years. I think he will retire after his last current contract, and then concentrate in his business in Milwaukee.

Dame needs to not play heavy minutes today if possible.

Giannis and Dame are our hopes for this season now that Khris is gone. The team needs to load manage minutes.

In Giannis’ absence, Kuzma should be the one to drive and put pressure on the defense that way, while hoping for Green or/and Trent to get hot. I assume that Dame will continue to be scoring heavily today.

We can win today. But Doc needs to be smart in choosing lineups.

[Bernman]

I have a gut feeling after the dust settles on the Lakers Mark Williams stuff, Cam Reddish will be a Buck. He would provide some on ball perimeter defense at least.

Reddish has consistently been a net negative for his teams, since his 1st season, when he was a marginal positive. And I don't think he could even guard smalls.

Javonte Green's more the physical profile we want - 6'5". He's shown he can be a net positive. Can board, defend, & shoot sufficiently. Hopefully NO buys him out. Brett Siegel claimed he was a Bucks' target for a trade pre-deadline.

[BigO]

Regarding Green, until he can increase his volume, he is of limited benefit. He does keep defenses honest, but he needs to develop a midrange game and occasionally get to the basket.

I think he has the ability, but he has to do it. You can't keep having two consistent spots in the lineup (if you include Prince), with low volume and productivity, unless they are elite defenders, which they're not.

[soxperry]

Regarding Green, until he can increase his volume, he is of limited benefit. He does keep defenses honest, but he needs to develop a midrange game and occasionally get to the basket.

I think he has the ability, but he has to do it. You can't keep having two consistent spots in the lineup (if you include Prince), with low volume and productivity, unless they are elite defenders, which they're not.

5 3pa per game isnt considered high volume anymore but it's definitely not low volume. If you meant usage, you'd be correct. Green has almost zero usage. I dont personally think he needs usage but i would love to get him more minutes and see him throw up 8-9 3s per game

[slos]

I don’t get why Green gets more love than Trent. But I also don’t get why Doc plays them together in the second unit.

Dame/Trent didn’t look good in the beginning of the season, but I would give it another chance with Kuzma at SF once Giannis returns.

I wouldn’t mind starting Green either. But one of them has to start. There is a huge leap of athleticism from Prince to Kuzma to afford a downgrade on that end from Jackson to Green or Trent.

[soxperry]

I have a gut feeling after the dust settles on the Lakers Mark Williams stuff, Cam Reddish will be a Buck. He would provide some on ball perimeter defense at least.

Reddish has consistently been a net negative for his teams, since his 1st season, when he was a marginal positive. And I don't think he could even guard smalls.

Javonte Green's more the physical profile we want - 6'5". He's shown he can be a net positive. Can board, defend, & shoot sufficiently. Hopefully NO buys him out. Brett Siegel claimed he was a Bucks' target for a trade pre-deadline.

Interesting. I would have thought given the seeming lack of usable talent in the buyout market this year for apron teams we would have seen Rollins get his contract already. But clearly we are waiting to see who drops.

Honestly, if the right person falls in our lap, sign rollins anyway and cut Livingston. I think he has another year plus a club option but im.okay moving on from him.

[ReasonablySober]

Regarding Green, until he can increase his volume, he is of limited benefit. He does keep defenses honest, but he needs to develop a midrange game and occasionally get to the basket.

I think he has the ability, but he has to do it. You can't keep having two consistent spots in the lineup (if you include Prince), with low volume and productivity, unless they are elite defenders, which they're not.

Duncan Robinson was a key member of two teams that went to the Finals and got to a third ECF. Green is basically having the exact same career, right down to the same amount of FGA both inside and outside the arc.

Green's just fine as he is.

[Siefer]

I don’t get why Green gets more love than Trent.

It's because Green moves better off ball, has a quicker release, and is a better defender (including rebounding).

[theFireBlanket]

I have a gut feeling after the dust settles on the Lakers Mark Williams stuff, Cam Reddish will be a Buck. He would provide some on ball perimeter defense at least.

IDUNNO HOW ABOUT DOC JUST Plays AJax more than 13 MPG?

[soxperry]

Regarding Green, until he can increase his volume, he is of limited benefit. He does keep defenses honest, but he needs to develop a midrange game and occasionally get to the basket.

I think he has the ability, but he has to do it. You can't keep having two consistent spots in the lineup (if you include Prince), with low volume and productivity, unless they are elite defenders, which they're not.

Duncan Robinson was a key member of two teams that went to the Finals and got to a third ECF. Green is basically having the exact same career, right down to the same amount of FGA both inside and outside the arc.

Green's just fine as he is.

Duncan Robinson is significantly taller and yet more agile than Green. He can also drive, dish and hit layups. Cant really defend, but offensively hes a more dynamic player than Green.

[Bernman]

Interesting. I would have thought given the seeming lack of usable talent in the buyout market this year for apron teams we would have seen Rollins get his contract already. But clearly we are waiting to see who drops.

Honestly, if the right person falls in our lap, sign rollins anyway and cut Livingston. I think he has another year plus a club option but im.okay moving on from him.

I'd be good w/ that plan. But it depends if we stay under the apron, signing Rollins & another guy who we're paying redundant $ too. I think we're 3.8 under right now (Spotrac isn't updated).

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/nba-2024-25-apron-tracker/

[emunney]

I have a gut feeling after the dust settles on the Lakers Mark Williams stuff, Cam Reddish will be a Buck. He would provide some on ball perimeter defense at least.

Reddish has consistently been a net negative for his teams, since his 1st season, when he was a marginal positive. And I don't think he could even guard smalls.

Javonte Green's more the physical profile we want - 6'5". He's shown he can be a net positive. Can board, defend, & shoot sufficiently. Hopefully NO buys him out. Brett Siegel claimed he was a Bucks' target for a trade pre-deadline.

Interesting. I would have thought given the seeming lack of usable talent in the buyout market this year for apron teams we would have seen Rollins get his contract already. But clearly we are waiting to see who drops.

Honestly, if the right person falls in our lap, sign rollins anyway and cut Livingston. I think he has another year plus a club option but im.okay moving on from him.

Unless we don't sign Rollins after he hits the 50 active game limit (6 games to go), I assume that keeping him on a 2 way as long as we can is purely about the luxury tax, and not about keeping that spot open for a buyout.

[Bernman]

AJ Green is +3.6 in net rating & +6 in D-rating over Trent. We need a better defender than Trent next to Dame.

I'd ideally want to start Trent for offensive consistency. But we'd then need to thread the needle of a 3 who can check guards they can't, while also needing to rebound sufficiently. That guy's not on the roster right now. We'll see after the buyouts.

Then we'd also need to send Kuz to the starting 4, or to the bench. I don't think either happens. So it's more of a closing/death lineup sort of thing - Giannis, Kuz, (Javonte Green?), Trent, Dame.

BTW, here are the net ratings w/ the other members of the starting lineup:

Green: +29
Trent: -.2.9
Ajax: -2.2

It's self-evident w/ our current options.

[emunney]

Trent should be a better defender but guesses/gambles too much. Not just reaching but jumping to try to cut off a dribble move and exposing the opposite side. Green is just incredibly disciplined with very few false steps.

[BigO]

Between Trent and Green, I want the one who is best at stopping dribble penetration. Second, I want the one who is likely to score 10 plus points a game consistently at good efficiency at 20 minutes a game.

Both Trent and Green have been efficient. Both have quick releases. Green seems to stay in front of his man better, but Trent is a more disruptive defender.

I don't get the Ajax love, but I assume their stats tell them he's effective on defense. But if that's the case, why doesn't he get more minutes (I'm not suggesting he should)?