Return to Sender: The Mark Williams Thread

[KembaWalker]

Luka getting gifted to the Lakers already makes it blatantly obvious that teams in the league conspire together to do what they think is best for ratings/money. If the league front office wants to obfuscate that reality it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to rule in favor of the Hornets.

i think people underestimate how unprofitable an outlook it is to be an expected rolling penalty luxury tax paying competitive team for the next decade. for owners who obviously know and care little about basketball (hard working Shaq) and don't care at all about the city it starts to make way more sense to both become a luxury tax benefactor instead of payer and then do whatever it takes to maximize total league revenue. whatever difference there is in Luka vs Davis jersey and bobblehead sales and an extra round or two in the playoffs isn't going to come close to justifying paying all that money

i really cant stand the argument "bro you have to just use occams razor the simple answer is that the GM is dumb", to me this is a very braindead take. these front office guys (teams of people, including ownership) and their accountants are not dumb, obviously. proper application of occams razor tells me that they simply have or have been given priorities above winning. once you realize that the priority of the business is not winning then everything falls into place with simple logic

[yosemiteben]

Show me the math about how giving your young MVP caliber franchise cornerstone away is better financially for an owner and then I'll give that argument some credibility. I have an extremely difficult time believing that reducing the value of your franchise by giving away an asset like that is good business for a specific franchise, particularly when the league just negotiated a new TV deal.

[KembaWalker]

Show me the math about how giving your young MVP caliber franchise cornerstone away is better financially for an owner and then I'll give that argument some credibility. I have an extremely difficult time believing that reducing the value of your franchise by giving away an asset like that is good business for a specific franchise, particularly when the league just negotiated a new TV deal.

the numbers arent public, but you can simply look at the fact that the Celtics owners are bailing ASAP over 2nd apron payroll unsustainability after winning a championship

not sure what the TV deal has to do with anything. its distributed to cover every teams base payroll 51% or whatever BRI for every team, its irrelevant whether your teams games are the ones being broadcast or not. jersey and popcorn sales in the arena dont matter

[yosemiteben]

Show me the math about how giving your young MVP caliber franchise cornerstone away is better financially for an owner and then I'll give that argument some credibility. I have an extremely difficult time believing that reducing the value of your franchise by giving away an asset like that is good business for a specific franchise, particularly when the league just negotiated a new TV deal.

the numbers arent public, but you can simply look at the fact that the Celtics owners are bailing ASAP over 2nd apron payroll unsustainability after winning a championship

Haven't tracked their ownership situation that closely, but I assumed they are cashing in after the big TV deal was inked. Note how they are specifically not doing what you are saying makes sense for DAL and just shipping their star to the biggest market.

not sure what the TV deal has to do with anything. its distributed to cover every teams base payroll 51% or whatever BRI for every team, its irrelevant whether your teams games are the ones being broadcast or not.

I assumed your point was that the league would generate more revenue in the form of TV dollars by putting Luka in LA, which would find it's way back to DAL. That doesn't make sense to me as a strategy when the league just finished negotiating what those TV dollars will look like.

If your point is not that shipping their marquee asset to a bigger market to increase BRI is the whole point (a point I obviously don't agree with), then I am completely lost as to why you think a team will make more money by giving away one of the league's best assets.

[Jammer]

Something seems very wrong about the rescinding of this trade.

If your car fails inspection, they don't just say you failed, but say WHY? i.e. brakes, tires, signal light, etc.

Saying that a condition of the trade was not met (passing physical) is not a reason to fail physical. They have to have a reason, and it can't be BS like he doesn't have a good enough vertical jump.

It's almost like if this was a bond trade, someone bought a bond at 100, 2 days later it falls to 98, and right before it clears they try to revoke the trade. Not possible.

Another example. A guy bought Pebble Beach Golf course in 1985 for $800 Million. Everyone said he shouldn't have spent more than $525 Million. He sold at a loss years later, but the sale stood.

Something is "wrong" if the Lakers can't provide a SPECIFIC reason, which I haven't heard, of why Williams failed the physical. Can't believe Charlotte ownership would allow the reversal without something concrete that WAS NOT KNOWN BEFORE THE TRADE.

[Ozymandias]

When I first saw the trade, I was surprised. Mainly at what the Lakers were giving up for Mark despite his injury history and limited amount of games he's played in the NBA so far. Back and foot issues for bigs are causes for concern.

So this situation of rescinding the trade definitely sounds to me like the Lakers had buyers remorse. And I think it reflects more poorly on the Lakers front office than it does the Hornets.

The Hornets are challenging this not so much to try and reverse the decision to rescind the trade, but moreso to salvage what they can of Mark's value since failing a physical definitely takes a hit to it. To them Mark is healthy and able to play going forward, and whatever the Lakers may have found that was not already documented they don't agree with.

I mean imagine a situation where the Mavs rescinded the Luka/AD trade after seeing the negative reaction around the sports world. Imagine if after all that they failed AD on his physical for whatever reason. Lakers nation would have had a meltdown.

[JustBuzzin]

When I first saw the trade, I was surprised. Mainly at what the Lakers were giving up for Mark despite his injury history and limited amount of games he's played in the NBA so far. Back and foot issues for bigs are causes for concern.

So this situation of rescinding the trade definitely sounds to me like the Lakers had buyers remorse. And I think it reflects more poorly on the Lakers front office than it does the Hornets.

The Hornets are challenging this not so much to try and reverse the decision to rescind the trade, but moreso to salvage what they can of Mark's value since failing a physical definitely takes a hit to it. To them Mark is healthy and able to play going forward, and whatever the Lakers may have found that was not already documented they don't agree with.

I mean imagine a situation where the Mavs rescinded the Luka/AD trade after seeing the negative reaction around the sports world. Imagine if after all that they failed AD on his physical for whatever reason. Lakers nation would have had a meltdown.

Not buying they thought Mark was healthy and there center. We were seeing signs of weakness before the trade. Not hustling and getting torched on defense. I think they saw a desperate Lakers team and decided to get some value for a guy who they didn't think was worth paying big money long-term.

If Mark was our guy this trade would have never happened imo.

[luciano-davidwesley]

https://www.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=195574&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=650

Oh my lord have a laugh at these idiots. Think we should now be giving Mark to them with out some combination of Knecht and or picks/swaps as "punishment" for screwing over the poor widdle Lakers.

Definitely not living in reality of how this appears to be playing out

As if we'd do these entitled clowns anything remotely resembling a favour!

[CuseMayne]

https://www.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=195574&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=650

Oh my lord have a laugh at these idiots. Think we should now be giving Mark to them with out some combination of Knecht and or picks/swaps as "punishment" for screwing over the poor widdle Lakers.

Definitely not living in reality of how this appears to be playing out

As if we'd do these entitled clowns anything remotely resembling a favour!

Hear, hear!!!

[KembaWalker]

I mean there’s a reason the Lakers have shut up about this and aren’t contesting anything themselves. They’re trying to ignore whatever BS they pulled and get everyone to forget about it

[yosemiteben]

I mean there’s a reason the Lakers have shut up about this and aren’t contesting anything themselves. They’re trying to ignore whatever BS they pulled and get everyone to forget about it

Doesn't look like we're going to go away

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[Bassman]

I mean there’s a reason the Lakers have shut up about this and aren’t contesting anything themselves. They’re trying to ignore whatever BS they pulled and get everyone to forget about it

While signing Alex Len who AMAZINGLY offered to change his commitment from the Pacers once their snake GM renounced the trade.

[Walt Cronkite]

Doesn't look like we're going to go away

We're gonna find out we've stocked the FO with a bunch of debate nerds and a mock trial was the plan all along.

[KembaWalker]

Sounds like Knecht is going to play tonight

[Liver_Pooty]

So what happens when we go to “court” and we prove they just got cold feed about the future pick and swap? I guarantee you if it was dalton for mark straight up they would do the deal right now.

[KembaWalker]

all we need is Dalton to blow out an achilles or something and the league will get trade pushed through asap

[Liver_Pooty]

all we need is Dalton to blow out an achilles or something and the league will get trade pushed through asap

Well he already told Redick he wasn’t ready to play yet mentally. Redick has also been on his ass all season. JJ is a fiery freaking guy.

[Slava]

I mean there’s a reason the Lakers have shut up about this and aren’t contesting anything themselves. They’re trying to ignore whatever BS they pulled and get everyone to forget about it

While signing Alex Len who AMAZINGLY offered to change his commitment from the Pacers once their snake GM renounced the trade.

Alex Len is ass, I don’t know why he is supposed to be an amazing get that would change the lakers perspective on getting Mark Williams.

Knecht said he’s ready to move on and play, which he did today. Has Mark suited up or reported back to Hornets yet? The reporting surrounding this is suspiciously lacking.

[DanishLakerFan]

I mean there’s a reason the Lakers have shut up about this and aren’t contesting anything themselves. They’re trying to ignore whatever BS they pulled and get everyone to forget about it

While signing Alex Len who AMAZINGLY offered to change his commitment from the Pacers once their snake GM renounced the trade.

In my opinion, LA gave up a bit too much for Mark Williams. But it was worth the risk given how he would fit a major need in the short term. No real reason for LA to pull out unless they found something they didn't know about at the time of the deal. It would be a horrible look for LA , would really hurt their chances in any trade discussion in the future and it would really hurt their title odds in the short term as well.

But the idea that they pulled out because the mighty Alex Len was available is crazy. Dude put up about 2-2 in 8mp over past 3 seasons. If it was a real player, such as Clint Capela or Brook Lopez, i would be more inclined to believe the conspiracies. But Alex Len. GTFOH.

[Bassman]

I mean there’s a reason the Lakers have shut up about this and aren’t contesting anything themselves. They’re trying to ignore whatever BS they pulled and get everyone to forget about it

While signing Alex Len who AMAZINGLY offered to change his commitment from the Pacers once their snake GM renounced the trade.

In my opinion, LA gave up a bit too much for Mark Williams. But it was worth the risk given how he would fit a major need in the short term. No real reason for LA to pull out unless they found something they didn't know about at the time of the deal. It would be a horrible look for LA , would really hurt their chances in any trade discussion in the future and it would really hurt their title odds in the short term as well.

But the idea that they pulled out because the mighty Alex Len was available is crazy. Dude put up about 2-2 in 8mp over past 3 seasons. If it was a real player, such as Clint Capela or Brook Lopez, i would be more inclined to believe the conspiracies. But Alex Len. GTFOH.

All I meant was that Len was a better option to sign coming off a buyout than any other option they were looking at. I have no clue other than two teams have two different views on Williams. Are the Hornets just looking to save face? Frankly I think challenging it is further burning a bridge with Williams, unless he and his agent support it. For the Hornets this is bigger than Mark. Lakers implied the Hornets withheld info. To use an analogy, they “tried to trade their used car with hidden accident damage”. Pelinka is a slimy former agent so his word is about as good as the corner pimp. Hornets deserve to expose everything and get their reputation back. If it blows back on Peterson, it becomes much worse.