2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3

[billy_hoyle]

Edgecombe fits in seamlessly in this lineup:

Quickley
Edgecombe
Ingram
Barnes
Poeltl

I'd play Edgecombe at PG. Power backcourt.

VJ
RJ
Ingram
Scottie
Poeltl

Point stands tho. As a combo guard he does fit nicely with either IQ or RJ.

How do we fill the backup 5 spot? Preferably with a shooter.

[LoveMyRaps]

VJ would come off the bench for us.

[Son Goku 25]

If you had to choose PG of the future Harper vs Ace, who do you choose if you're the Raptors?

I feel like they'd go with Bailey still even though we need a franchise guard. Only cuz it would take the ball out of Ingram and Scotties hands and Bailey is a walking bucket and size. Part of me wants that franchise guard just as a great 2nd option to Ingram to take more pressure off of Barnes and Harper has the elite offensive skill set too.

[TNRaps4life]

If you had to choose PG of the future Harper vs Ace, who do you choose if you're the Raptors?

I feel like they'd go with Bailey still even though we need a franchise guard. Only cuz it would take the ball out of Ingram and Scotties hands and Bailey is a walking bucket and size. Part of me wants that franchise guard just as a great 2nd option to Ingram to take more pressure off of Barnes and Harper has the elite offensive skill set too.

Size for me. Ace

[ATLTimekeeper]

My top 5 are Flagg, Johnson, Harper, Edgecombe and Jak

I am really curious about what you see in Tre Johnson, because we have the same top 5, except my top 5 is rounded out by Derik Queen while you got Tre Johnson.

Jump shot, screen usage, length. High bball IQ, doesn't dominate the ball or pound the air out of it to get his shot off. Handle gets to his spots.

Not the best defender but he has good feet and a solid frame and will put in effort. Just last night I watched him down 20 in garbage time guarding the ball like it was a close game. I think there's a lot of upside there. Only negative I see is weak rebounding, which for a guard isn't really all that important for me. Also I believe in his character. Great kid and teammate.

I'm just looking for bankable players in the top 5 with scoring/playmaking potential. It's worse to miss entirely than to hit a double. Johnson's upside is a Devin Booker-type. He'll probably lose a lot of games his first few years, and then just be one of those guys that everyone wants to play with.

With Queen the burden for success is a lot higher just due to position. It's a greater risk to take a one position player, and one that typically demands players to be defensive anchors. He's not someone I would consider in the top 10.

[PhilBlackson]

VJ would come off the bench for us.

Long term, I don’t buy that nor would it be his best use.

His defence would be exactly what’s needed between IQ & BI. Buuuut personally I’d like to see us find a player at a different position since we’re so overloaded with multiple GOOD viable options with RJ, JaKobe, Ochai & Gradey. It would be such a diminishing return.

Personally I rather go multiple other routes ie/ either take another forward (Flagg/Bailey) and push BI to SG (dream scenario, or draft a future C (Khaman/Queen) as obv Yak isn’t quite the same timeline and will be due for another payday which is why I think we’re going to draft a C or lastly draft a bigger starting PG which I think is more ideal long term buuut I think finding “fair value” for IQ would be a massive struggle since most teams will likely think he’s overpaid. But I’d really like to avoid drafting yet another SG unless that player looked like a clear franchise talent and I think VJ can be very good, maybe like an explosive Jrue or Suggs (less passing ability) which would be excellent and wouldn’t complain about drafting. Just again it’s gonna be diminishing returns when there’s barely gonna be minutes for everyone.

[Jerry Lucas]

My top 5 are Flagg, Johnson, Harper, Edgecombe and Jak

I am really curious about what you see in Tre Johnson, because we have the same top 5, except my top 5 is rounded out by Derik Queen while you got Tre Johnson.

Jump shot, screen usage, length. High bball IQ, doesn't dominate the ball or pound the air out of it to get his shot off. Handle gets to his spots.

Not the best defender but he has good feet and a solid frame and will put in effort. Just last night I watched him down 20 in garbage time guarding the ball like it was a close game. I think there's a lot of upside there. Only negative I see is weak rebounding, which for a guard isn't really all that important for me. Also I believe in his character. Great kid and teammate.

I'm just looking for bankable players in the top 5 with scoring/playmaking potential. It's worse to miss entirely than to hit a double. Johnson's upside is a Devin Booker-type. He'll probably lose a lot of games his first few years, and then just be one of those guys that everyone wants to play with.

With Queen the burden for success is a lot higher just due to position. It's a greater risk to take a one position player, and one that typically demands players to be defensive anchors. He's not someone I would consider in the top 10.

My worry with Tre Johnson has been the low rebounding rates in combination with the low free throw rate. He is pacing to end up on the following query below:

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&sIndex=24&minGP=1&minOR=1&minDR=10&minftr=30&minpick=60&year=all&minmin=0&start=-11101&end=all0501&orebSelect=-1&drebSelect=-1&ftrSelect=-1&pickSelect=-1

This is every player ever drafted to the NBA who put up a season in college where their OREB% was below 1, DREB% below 10, and FTr below 30%. Even if I assume Tre Johnson ends up comparable to the best player on this list, I still don't want him with a top 10 pick. Also the highest draft pick ever from this query, is Jett Howard 11th overall, 2nd highest Marcus Sasser 25th overall.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Almost single handedly won that game for UCONN last night. If we fall out of the top 10, he needs to be considered.

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[DG88]

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[Jerry Lucas]

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Joan Beringer seems like a very interesting prospect I had never seen mocked in this range until now. Going to be keeping an eye on the rest of his season.

12. Joan Beringer, C, Cedevita Olimpija (France)
Slovenia | TS%: 59.6%

Scouting report: Beringer has drawn increasingly significant crowds of NBA decision-makers in Slovenia. The 18-year-old has responded with some spectacular moments on the defensive end, proving to be one of the most versatile players in the class with his ability to cover ground on the perimeter, switch onto smaller players, and protect the rim, leading both the EuroCup and Adriatic League in block percentage. Playing basketball for only three years, Beringer had zero high-level experience coming into the season but is improving every week, giving him unlimited upside to grow into long term. -- Givony

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18 years old with his physical measurements, impressing in EuroCup play despite only starting playing basketball 3 years ago? I have this weird feeling Masai is all over this guy.

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Joan Beringer seems like a very interesting prospect I had never seen mocked in this range until now. Going to be keeping an eye on the rest of his season.

12. Joan Beringer, C, Cedevita Olimpija (France)
Slovenia | TS%: 59.6%

Scouting report: Beringer has drawn increasingly significant crowds of NBA decision-makers in Slovenia. The 18-year-old has responded with some spectacular moments on the defensive end, proving to be one of the most versatile players in the class with his ability to cover ground on the perimeter, switch onto smaller players, and protect the rim, leading both the EuroCup and Adriatic League in block percentage. Playing basketball for only three years, Beringer had zero high-level experience coming into the season but is improving every week, giving him unlimited upside to grow into long term. -- Givony

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18 years old with his physical measurements, impressing in EuroCup play despite only starting playing basketball 3 years ago? I have this weird feeling Masai is all over this guy.

Just feels like Tijan Salaun's, with all these raw players.

[Raptorfan2012]

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Not sure we need Queen but he is a 5 star prospect that deserves some attention. He will be a top 10 pick especially if he is at least 6'10-6'11 with shoes. Guy has a bit of Sengun mixed with Cousins in his game.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I am really curious about what you see in Tre Johnson, because we have the same top 5, except my top 5 is rounded out by Derik Queen while you got Tre Johnson.

Jump shot, screen usage, length. High bball IQ, doesn't dominate the ball or pound the air out of it to get his shot off. Handle gets to his spots.

Not the best defender but he has good feet and a solid frame and will put in effort. Just last night I watched him down 20 in garbage time guarding the ball like it was a close game. I think there's a lot of upside there. Only negative I see is weak rebounding, which for a guard isn't really all that important for me. Also I believe in his character. Great kid and teammate.

I'm just looking for bankable players in the top 5 with scoring/playmaking potential. It's worse to miss entirely than to hit a double. Johnson's upside is a Devin Booker-type. He'll probably lose a lot of games his first few years, and then just be one of those guys that everyone wants to play with.

With Queen the burden for success is a lot higher just due to position. It's a greater risk to take a one position player, and one that typically demands players to be defensive anchors. He's not someone I would consider in the top 10.

My worry with Tre Johnson has been the low rebounding rates in combination with the low free throw rate. He is pacing to end up on the following query below:

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&sIndex=24&minGP=1&minOR=1&minDR=10&minftr=30&minpick=60&year=all&minmin=0&start=-11101&end=all0501&orebSelect=-1&drebSelect=-1&ftrSelect=-1&pickSelect=-1

This is every player ever drafted to the NBA who put up a season in college where their OREB% was below 1, DREB% below 10, and FTr below 30%. Even if I assume Tre Johnson ends up comparable to the best player on this list, I still don't want him with a top 10 pick. Also the highest draft pick ever from this query, is Jett Howard 11th overall, 2nd highest Marcus Sasser 25th overall.

Rebounding matters even for guards. Team rebounding drives winning the the playoffs. Stronger rebounders at guard provide more flexibility for teambuilding. It's not a nail in the coffin for Johnson but it means he essentially has no other option than to become a high efficiency volume scorer and will need substantial improvement to areas of his game that appear will be difficult to improve given his past. His wingspan should ensure he sticks in the NBA.

But his archetype of two level scoring guard who is an awful event-creator has limited success stories. He'll get hot shooting in the nba on certain nights but he'll largely be a ghost and when the shot isn't falling he doesn't offer enough. If he could rely on some rim pressure in those situations it would help his outlook.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I am really curious about what you see in Tre Johnson, because we have the same top 5, except my top 5 is rounded out by Derik Queen while you got Tre Johnson.

Jump shot, screen usage, length. High bball IQ, doesn't dominate the ball or pound the air out of it to get his shot off. Handle gets to his spots.

Not the best defender but he has good feet and a solid frame and will put in effort. Just last night I watched him down 20 in garbage time guarding the ball like it was a close game. I think there's a lot of upside there. Only negative I see is weak rebounding, which for a guard isn't really all that important for me. Also I believe in his character. Great kid and teammate.

I'm just looking for bankable players in the top 5 with scoring/playmaking potential. It's worse to miss entirely than to hit a double. Johnson's upside is a Devin Booker-type. He'll probably lose a lot of games his first few years, and then just be one of those guys that everyone wants to play with.

With Queen the burden for success is a lot higher just due to position. It's a greater risk to take a one position player, and one that typically demands players to be defensive anchors. He's not someone I would consider in the top 10.

My worry with Tre Johnson has been the low rebounding rates in combination with the low free throw rate. He is pacing to end up on the following query below:

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&sIndex=24&minGP=1&minOR=1&minDR=10&minftr=30&minpick=60&year=all&minmin=0&start=-11101&end=all0501&orebSelect=-1&drebSelect=-1&ftrSelect=-1&pickSelect=-1

This is every player ever drafted to the NBA who put up a season in college where their OREB% was below 1, DREB% below 10, and FTr below 30%. Even if I assume Tre Johnson ends up comparable to the best player on this list, I still don't want him with a top 10 pick. Also the highest draft pick ever from this query, is Jett Howard 11th overall, 2nd highest Marcus Sasser 25th overall.

A specific articulated result like that isn't going to scare me off or give me pause. Tre's going to make his money scoring the ball, and that's what he has done at 18 better than anyone on that list. Like, significantly better. He's already going to be drafted high.

If you look at a line like Devin Booker's, 2.3 OR, 7.8 DR, 22.3 FTr. Similar to Tyler Herro (1.6, 13.9, 23.1). There's a type of scoring guard that does just fine with low results here. I'm not going to be swayed by it being a little bit lower. To me, I think he has that game and those two are bonafide top 5 players in their draft years. His passing ability is a big reason why I'm as high as I am with him.

[Raptorfan2012]

Even we tried for the play-in, make 10th, and fall out, I think we would still be in the 8th position (that's where the Bulls are). If we miss out on the top 3, drafting 7-10 is not too bad - good chance guys like Khaman, Noa, CMB, Fears, Sorber etc will still be available.

[grant101]

Even we tried for the play-in, make 10th, and fall out, I think we would still be in the 8th position (that's where the Bulls are). If we miss out on the top 3, drafting 7-10 is not too bad - good chance guys like Khaman, Noa, CMB, Fears, Sorber etc will still be available.

With the exception of Khaman, those others are a significant step down IMO. Queen is a wild card, but outside of that, I wouldn’t be super thrilled if that’s all we had to show for this year’s struggle last. Would be a disappointment.

Outside of the top five, I think the draft is fairly flat till the late teens/early twenties.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Both Herro and Booker had significantly better splits vs conf opponents. Johnson has some more games to try to make those splits stand out less.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Both Herro and Booker had significantly better splits vs conf opponents. Johnson has some more games to try to make those splits stand out less.

True, but they didn't have the same scoring load as Johnson. They were both on stacked Kentucky teams full with NBA players. Johnson is probably the only NBA player that's going to be on this Texas team, and good teams are beating him up. I think that shows in that his FTr spikes a bit in conference play and his assists spike a bit as well.