Tre Johnson - Texas

[tontoz]

Chi town has obviously od'd on the preseason Kool aid on Flagg.

Let's get back to the guy who is actually playing like a 1st option. If anyone hasn't watched the UConn game I would definitely recommend it.

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[XTC]

I think he's going to be a star in the NBA.

Lots of Devin Booker in his game.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I think he's going to be a star in the NBA.

Lots of Devin Booker in his game.

agreed. I think Booker, Beal and McCollum esque. I think he can actually defend a little though. I think he's being slept on and if he measures well he'll be in that top 5 range no doubt.

[Chi town]

You guys think he can create enough to be a #1?

Can he handle in PNR and produce shots and playmake?

I believe in his scoring but not his creating or playmaking. Hasn’t shown much of a handle. He can def shoot it though.

[XTC]

You guys think he can create enough to be a #1?

Can he handle in PNR and produce shots and playmake?

I believe in his scoring but not his creating or playmaking. Hasn’t shown much of a handle. He can def shoot it though.

I think he's a fine playmaker.

People really underestimate how bad Texas roster really is. I think he's going to be an absolute stud at the next level.

The Beal/Booker comparisions are spot on. Him and Harper are 1/2 in this draft IMO.

[Catchall]

He has an argument for being the #3 guy in this draft class.

[tontoz]

24 pts with 9 minutes left against #1 Tennessee.

[CptCrunch]

This guy is a flamethrower. I just don't know if he is a 6th man or 1st option.

The recent track record of drafting SG is really ugly in the league. Every single one drafted has been ass crack. These small really 6'4" without shoes guards are so numerous and rarely do they turn out good.

[vincecarter4pres]

This guy is a flamethrower. I just don't know if he is a 6th man or 1st option.

The recent track record of drafting SG is really ugly in the league. Every single one drafted has been ass crack.

Please explain.

These small really 6'4" without shoes guards are so numerous and rarely do they turn out good.

Umm… in what world are 6’4 in socks guards so numerous or small? Especially with good wingspan?

This is literally prototypical NBA shooting guard size, 6’4-6’6 in socks with a good wingspan.

That’s 6’5-6’7 in sneakers.

[CptCrunch]

This guy is a flamethrower. I just don't know if he is a 6th man or 1st option.

The recent track record of drafting SG is really ugly in the league. Every single one drafted has been ass crack.

Please explain.

These small really 6'4" without shoes guards are so numerous and rarely do they turn out good.

Umm… in what world are 6’4 in socks guards so numerous or small? Especially with good wingspan?

This is literally prototypical NBA shooting guard size, 6’4-6’6 in socks with a good wingspan.

That’s 6’5-6’7 in sneakers.

Please list the shooting guards of this league NOT point guard or small forward, and tell me which of them are even positive players. They are maybe 5 shooting guards in the league who are half decent. SG is a dead position for players who are small like Tre and cannot play point in the league.

And think again; who are the best 6'4" type young shoointg guards already drafted? Now reflect on your last post.

[vincecarter4pres]

This guy is a flamethrower. I just don't know if he is a 6th man or 1st option.

The recent track record of drafting SG is really ugly in the league. Every single one drafted has been ass crack.

Please explain.

These small really 6'4" without shoes guards are so numerous and rarely do they turn out good.

Umm… in what world are 6’4 in socks guards so numerous or small? Especially with good wingspan?

This is literally prototypical NBA shooting guard size, 6’4-6’6 in socks with a good wingspan.

That’s 6’5-6’7 in sneakers.

Please list the shooting guards of this league NOT point guard or small forward, and tell me which of them are even positive players. They are maybe 5 shooting guards in the league who are half decent. SG is a dead position for players who are small like Tre and cannot play point in the league.

And think again; who are the best 6'4" type young shoointg guards already drafted? Now reflect on your last post.

Just recently?

Idk, Doncic, SGA, Donovan Mitchell, Devin Booker, Anthony Edwards, Jamal Murray, Cade Cumningham, Cam Thomas, Tyler Herro, Jaylen Brown, Ben Mathurin, Vassell, Shaedon Sharpe?

A lot of these guys 6’3-6’5 in socks. Most guys listed height are still in sneakers. We also don’t have an official measurement on Tre and good chance he’s 6’5 and can play the 3 as well, like a real wing; he likely has the wingspan and has the feet and hips to defend, and a willingness to play taller and bigger players.

I mean this is a strange hill to die on tbh.

[CptCrunch]

Please explain.


Umm… in what world are 6’4 in socks guards so numerous or small? Especially with good wingspan?

This is literally prototypical NBA shooting guard size, 6’4-6’6 in socks with a good wingspan.

That’s 6’5-6’7 in sneakers.

Please list the shooting guards of this league NOT point guard or small forward, and tell me which of them are even positive players. They are maybe 5 shooting guards in the league who are half decent. SG is a dead position for players who are small like Tre and cannot play point in the league.

And think again; who are the best 6'4" type young shoointg guards already drafted? Now reflect on your last post.

Just recently?

Idk, Doncic, SGA, VassellDonovan Mitchell, Devin Booker, Anthony Edwards, Jamal Murray, Cade Cumningham, Cam Thomas, Tyler Herro, Jaylen Brown, Ben Mathurin, Shaedon Sharpe?

A lot of these guys 6’3-6’5 in socks. Most guys listed height are still in sneakers. We also don’t have an official measurement on Tre and good chance he’s 6’5 and can play the 3 as well, like a real wing, he likely has the wingspan and has the feet and hips to defend, and a willingness to play taller and bigger players.

I mean this is a strange hill to die on tbh.

You are completely missing and were unable to understand the nuiance of the original post in listing a bunch of non guards. All the other guards you listed are drafted in ancient eras. Are you serious with Booker drafted 10 years ago?

[vincecarter4pres]

Please list the shooting guards of this league NOT point guard or small forward, and tell me which of them are even positive players. They are maybe 5 shooting guards in the league who are half decent. SG is a dead position for players who are small like Tre and cannot play point in the league.

And think again; who are the best 6'4" type young shoointg guards already drafted? Now reflect on your last post.

Just recently?

Idk, Doncic, SGA, VassellDonovan Mitchell, Devin Booker, Anthony Edwards, Jamal Murray, Cade Cumningham, Cam Thomas, Tyler Herro, Jaylen Brown, Ben Mathurin, Shaedon Sharpe?

A lot of these guys 6’3-6’5 in socks. Most guys listed height are still in sneakers. We also don’t have an official measurement on Tre and good chance he’s 6’5 and can play the 3 as well, like a real wing, he likely has the wingspan and has the feet and hips to defend, and a willingness to play taller and bigger players.

I mean this is a strange hill to die on tbh.

You are completely missing and were unable to understand the nuiance of the original post in listing a bunch of non guards. All the other guards you listed are drafted in ancient eras. Are you serious with Booker drafted 10 years ago?

Wtf lol?

[clyde21]

Devin Booker is probably the ideal scenario for this archetype, like high high high end outcome for someone like Tre. it's just hard to pinpoint what makes Booker Booker and say someone like Jordan Poole Jordan Poole. these off-ball/combo 6-4 to 6-6 guards are just in a weird spot in today's NBA in terms of impact and like Cpt said are a dime a dozen if you're just looking for scorers. even Devin Booker's impact is questionable sometimes despite the raw stat outputs.

still deciding where Tre lands on this scale though, but fkn love watching him score

[Ell Curry]

Devin Booker is probably the ideal scenario for this archetype, like high high high end outcome for someone like Tre. it's just hard to pinpoint what makes Booker Booker and say someone like Jordan Poole Jordan Poole. these off-ball/combo 6-4 to 6-6 guards are just in a weird spot in today's NBA in terms of impact and like Cpt said are a dime a dozen if you're just looking for scorers. even Devin Booker's impact is questionable sometimes despite the raw stat outputs.

still deciding where Tre lands on this scale though, but fkn love watching him score

I looked up their stats and Booker just seems to be like 5-10% better across the board at damn near everything, and obviously he's a little bigger and he's better defensively.

I think Booker benefits from being a classical archetype of a starter, and those archetypes are the templates for a reason.

Suns made the finals with an aging but great PG who is basically the textbook definition of a PG, Booker at the 2, Bridges at the 3 is maybe the archetypal 3+D wing of the era (there are better ones, but nobody thinks of Kawhi or KD that way), Crowder would be among the first names you thought of as low usage 3+D guys and Ayton was just a talented, good center before he stopped caring about defence and got addicted to mid range jumpers.

Poole won a title too, in the role for which he's an archetype, microwave bench scoring 6th man. For some reason everyone seems low on Poole generally but thinks positively of Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford.

I haven't seen enough of Tre Johnson to know, really. I do remember in college that Booker was sort of a Rip Hamilton type running off curls and such on a stacked Kentucky team, while Poole was an incredibly talented flake who I watched most games of (Michigan fan). Poole more agile, Booker better strength and balance. Poole way more bad decisions, but a bit more creative too.

[tontoz]

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[vincecarter4pres]

Are we seeing a lot of Michael Redd here?

[EMG518]

Devin Booker is probably the ideal scenario for this archetype, like high high high end outcome for someone like Tre. it's just hard to pinpoint what makes Booker Booker and say someone like Jordan Poole Jordan Poole. these off-ball/combo 6-4 to 6-6 guards are just in a weird spot in today's NBA in terms of impact and like Cpt said are a dime a dozen if you're just looking for scorers. even Devin Booker's impact is questionable sometimes despite the raw stat outputs.

still deciding where Tre lands on this scale though, but fkn love watching him score

He looks like he is longer than both of those guys, especially Poole, he has the ability to shoot over guys which you don't see Poole doing, he is bouncier than either of those guys, he is a better shooter than Poole, maybe Booker, and he seems like he has a higher bbia than Poole so I would put him far from Poole on the scale.

[The-Power]

He looks like he is longer than both of those guys, especially Poole, he has the ability to shoot over guys which you don't see Poole doing, he is bouncier than either of those guys, he is a better shooter than Poole, maybe Booker, and he seems like he has a higher bbia than Poole so I would put him far from Poole on the scale.

That's disregarding the advantages those players have and only focuses on the things you have him as better. One big issue with Tre is that he just doesn't draw enough fouls and he doesn't score enough around the rim in addition to not being a natural playmaker. So his game is incredibly dependent on his jumper. That's an issue for teams that tend to want more consistency and reliability in their primary offensive options.

Also, even if some of those attributes you listed were true in comparison to Poole and Booker – how does Tre make use of them? He uses his length and bounce to shoot over defenders but besides that I don't see it applied. He's not doing a great job on defense with those attributes, and he doesn't do much around the rim with them either. I'm also not sure he has a notably higher BBIQ than Poole. Feels like the same ballpark (though Tre has obviously more time to improve) but that's a category which is difficult to grasp and discuss about anyway.

[Frichuela]

He looks like he is longer than both of those guys, especially Poole, he has the ability to shoot over guys which you don't see Poole doing, he is bouncier than either of those guys, he is a better shooter than Poole, maybe Booker, and he seems like he has a higher bbia than Poole so I would put him far from Poole on the scale.

That's disregarding the advantages those players have and only focuses on the things you have him as better. One big issue with Tre is that he just doesn't draw enough fouls and he doesn't score enough around the rim in addition to not being a natural playmaker. So his game is incredibly dependent on his jumper. That's an issue for teams that tend to want more consistency and reliability in their primary offensive options.

Also, even if some of those attributes you listed were true in comparison to Poole and Booker – how does Tre make use of them? He uses his length and bounce to shoot over defenders but besides that I don't see it applied. He's not doing a great job on defense with those attributes, and he doesn't do much around the rim with them either. I'm also not sure he has a notably higher BBIQ than Poole. Feels like the same ballpark (though Tre has obviously more time to improve) but that's a category which is difficult to grasp and discuss about anyway.

If this is the case, can he make it to the 5th pick in this draft? Is he a better prospect than VJ Edgecombe, Jakucionis?