Dane Moore reporting indications are that Taylor lost arbitration

[firedavidkahn]

Turns out all the negative hit pieces and rumors about Lore over the years were almost certainly fabrications.

AROD may be a sleezeball but Lore has done absolutely nothing to not be given the benefit of the doubt.

And AROD is just a figurehead so I really don't care about him. Lore is the guy with the money.

[thinktank]

Finch says he has no doubts new ownership can afford whatever we need.

[Klomp]

Turns out all the negative hit pieces and rumors about Lore over the years were almost certainly fabrications.

AROD may be a sleezeball but Lore has done absolutely nothing to not be given the benefit of the doubt.

And AROD is just a figurehead so I really don't care about him. Lore is the guy with the money.

One thing that has been discussed on one of the podcasts this week, is that Lore is actually sitting better today than he did when this whole thing started four years ago. Not only is the team doing better than it was in 2020-21 in the midst of a 23-49 season, but he has had good financial success individually in other areas to improve his overall net worth considerably.

[shangrila]

One thing with the new ownership is that they're clearly aggressive in making moves. Connelly was their hire and from memory it was all but confirmed the Gobert trade was at their insistence.

Now, agree or disagree with those moves if you want but we should all be able to agree that having an active ownership/FO is far better than the passive ones we've had for the last several decades.

[winforlose]

One thing with the new ownership is that they're clearly aggressive in making moves. Connelly was their hire and from memory it was all but confirmed the Gobert trade was at their insistence.

Now, agree or disagree with those moves if you want but we should all be able to agree that having an active ownership/FO is far better than the passive ones we've had for the last several decades.

Depends on the moves. Ask the Suns how well the Beal trade went? The flip side is asking the Celtics how well the Jrue Holiday trade went. I have no problem making moves, I have problems making bad ones. KD would be a terrible move.

[shangrila]

One thing with the new ownership is that they're clearly aggressive in making moves. Connelly was their hire and from memory it was all but confirmed the Gobert trade was at their insistence.

Now, agree or disagree with those moves if you want but we should all be able to agree that having an active ownership/FO is far better than the passive ones we've had for the last several decades.

Depends on the moves. Ask the Suns how well the Beal trade went? The flip side is asking the Celtics how well the Jrue Holiday trade went. I have no problem making moves, I have problems making bad ones. KD would be a terrible move.

You don't even know what we'd be giving up, how can you say it's terrible?

[minimus]

One thing with the new ownership is that they're clearly aggressive in making moves. Connelly was their hire and from memory it was all but confirmed the Gobert trade was at their insistence.

Now, agree or disagree with those moves if you want but we should all be able to agree that having an active ownership/FO is far better than the passive ones we've had for the last several decades.

There are different types of management: startup management, maintenance management and crysis management. If TC stays I really hope that he can be a proactive, creative decision maker within current very aggressive CBA rules.

[guest81]

One thing with the new ownership is that they're clearly aggressive in making moves. Connelly was their hire and from memory it was all but confirmed the Gobert trade was at their insistence.

Now, agree or disagree with those moves if you want but we should all be able to agree that having an active ownership/FO is far better than the passive ones we've had for the last several decades.

Depends on the moves. Ask the Suns how well the Beal trade went? The flip side is asking the Celtics how well the Jrue Holiday trade went. I have no problem making moves, I have problems making bad ones. KD would be a terrible move.

Yea there are bad trades and there are good trades. Not sure what the point is. Don't make trades? Only make good trades? That's good advice i guess

[Klomp]

One thing with the new ownership is that they're clearly aggressive in making moves. Connelly was their hire and from memory it was all but confirmed the Gobert trade was at their insistence.

Now, agree or disagree with those moves if you want but we should all be able to agree that having an active ownership/FO is far better than the passive ones we've had for the last several decades.

Depends on the moves. Ask the Suns how well the Beal trade went? The flip side is asking the Celtics how well the Jrue Holiday trade went. I have no problem making moves, I have problems making bad ones. KD would be a terrible move.

Again, the point is more about the activity level of the management rather than the moves themselves. They are striving to be better. Sometimes, it doesn't work out, but they don't hide out at the cabin when it doesn't.

[winforlose]

One thing with the new ownership is that they're clearly aggressive in making moves. Connelly was their hire and from memory it was all but confirmed the Gobert trade was at their insistence.

Now, agree or disagree with those moves if you want but we should all be able to agree that having an active ownership/FO is far better than the passive ones we've had for the last several decades.

Depends on the moves. Ask the Suns how well the Beal trade went? The flip side is asking the Celtics how well the Jrue Holiday trade went. I have no problem making moves, I have problems making bad ones. KD would be a terrible move.

You don't even know what we'd be giving up, how can you say it's terrible?

37 years old, 54 million dollars, and expiring. If we want to keep him that number goes higher. Whatever we give up is too much, and we know it won’t be cheap.

[winforlose]

One thing with the new ownership is that they're clearly aggressive in making moves. Connelly was their hire and from memory it was all but confirmed the Gobert trade was at their insistence.

Now, agree or disagree with those moves if you want but we should all be able to agree that having an active ownership/FO is far better than the passive ones we've had for the last several decades.

Depends on the moves. Ask the Suns how well the Beal trade went? The flip side is asking the Celtics how well the Jrue Holiday trade went. I have no problem making moves, I have problems making bad ones. KD would be a terrible move.

Yea there are bad trades and there are good trades. Not sure what the point is. Don't make trades? Only make good trades? That's good advice i guess

To both you and Klomp, activity is fine with a plan and purpose. When you start making moves just to make them, or taking risks just to take them, you get into trouble. Not too many years ago it looked like the Wolves might trade for Ben Simmons. I was dead set against it, but people kept telling me I was wrong, dumb, crazy, ect…. After all Ben Simmons was excellent for Philly and the issues were surely behind him. Thankfully the Nets decided to win that sweepstakes by sending James Harden to Philly. Philly turned a bad player into a superstar (issues notwithstanding,) and the Nets took the gamble. Those gamble moves sometimes work out, but for every Kyrie to Dallas you get a Simmons to the Nets, or Westbrook to the Lakers. I want a FO who doesn’t feel the need to take big swings on guys like KD. I feel like the last couple have failed. I want more pinpoint trades of players we can afford to lose (like Randle,) to address specific needs and only take back money we afford to take back. KD is a disaster waiting to happen, and I am over that type of gamble.

[Klomp]

Depends on the moves. Ask the Suns how well the Beal trade went? The flip side is asking the Celtics how well the Jrue Holiday trade went. I have no problem making moves, I have problems making bad ones. KD would be a terrible move.

You don't even know what we'd be giving up, how can you say it's terrible?

37 years old, 54 million dollars, and expiring. If we want to keep him that number goes higher. Whatever we give up is too much, and we know it won’t be cheap.

That's what we once thought about any Gobert extension too.

[shangrila]

Depends on the moves. Ask the Suns how well the Beal trade went? The flip side is asking the Celtics how well the Jrue Holiday trade went. I have no problem making moves, I have problems making bad ones. KD would be a terrible move.

You don't even know what we'd be giving up, how can you say it's terrible?

37 years old, 54 million dollars, and expiring. If we want to keep him that number goes higher. Whatever we give up is too much, and we know it won’t be cheap.

You speak in such definites about something you can't possibly know.

You have no idea what a deal looks like. You have no idea what a contract extension for him looks like. You have no idea how it might (or might not) help the team.

[Klomp]

Those gamble moves sometimes work out, but for every Kyrie to Dallas you get a Simmons to the Nets, or Westbrook to the Lakers. I want a FO who doesn’t feel the need to take big swings on guys like KD. I feel like the last couple have failed. I want more pinpoint trades of players we can afford to lose (like Randle,) to address specific needs and only take back money we afford to take back. KD is a disaster waiting to happen, and I am over that type of gamble.

How do you make a pinpoint trade to address specific needs like you mentioned if you are unwilling to take a big swing by trading Towns to begin with?

[winforlose]

You don't even know what we'd be giving up, how can you say it's terrible?

37 years old, 54 million dollars, and expiring. If we want to keep him that number goes higher. Whatever we give up is too much, and we know it won’t be cheap.

That's what we once thought about any Gobert extension too.

Umm, BS. Rudy is turning 33 not 37. Rudy took less money to get multiple years, KD cannot get multiple years. The 26/27 season (the first year of his new deal,) is the only year where he will be younger than 38. The over 38 rule applies to every later year. So essentially you are gambling that KD is willing to play for less money with no incentive other than staying on the team and making it better. Lebron certainly didn’t. Of course KD could hit the age wall and be less valuable, which raises its own issues.

[winforlose]

You don't even know what we'd be giving up, how can you say it's terrible?

37 years old, 54 million dollars, and expiring. If we want to keep him that number goes higher. Whatever we give up is too much, and we know it won’t be cheap.

You speak in such definites about something you can't possibly know.

You have no idea what a deal looks like. You have no idea what a contract extension for him looks like. You have no idea how it might (or might not) help the team.

You have to match salaries. The least offensive version of doing so is Rudy + Randle. Anything else and you lose Jaden or Naz. I hate small ball, and the league keeps moving away from it. OKC went out and got bigger, LAL was trying to get bigger, Dallas got a ton of bigs, Cleveland is doing very well playing big ball, ect… KD being 37 and expiring is a fact. The rule of over 38 is a fact. I just watched Mike Conley fall off the age wall, and I have paid attention to KD over the years. He doesn’t exactly build happy and healthy locker room culture. He has a bad habit of leaving teams worse off than when they found him.

You ask me how can I be 100% certain it will fail, I cannot. But just like the Ben Simmons trade suggestions this feels like a disaster waiting to happen. To hear how significantly TC is interested in KD feels like a very big threat to our franchise.

[winforlose]

Those gamble moves sometimes work out, but for every Kyrie to Dallas you get a Simmons to the Nets, or Westbrook to the Lakers. I want a FO who doesn’t feel the need to take big swings on guys like KD. I feel like the last couple have failed. I want more pinpoint trades of players we can afford to lose (like Randle,) to address specific needs and only take back money we afford to take back. KD is a disaster waiting to happen, and I am over that type of gamble.

How do you make a pinpoint trade to address specific needs like you mentioned if you are unwilling to take a big swing by trading Towns to begin with?

Trading Karl for real value is a big swing. This was a salary dump. Pinpoint trades are things like Randle out for a PG and backup C. Moves that bring in solid role players or young players showing promise before they need to be paid. Big swings like trading for Rudy are best done with a long term plan. We gave up on the twin towers plan two years in. Big swings are called big swings because they can be home runs or strike outs. The problem is we have a young core that has real potential, and rather than letting it develop, we are likely to break it up trying to hit a home run. Key word being TRYING. At the opportunity cost of letting it develop and seeing if we can score by stringing together good at bats and bringing runners home.

[thinktank]

LOL at talking about Simmons in the same breath as Durant.

[shangrila]

37 years old, 54 million dollars, and expiring. If we want to keep him that number goes higher. Whatever we give up is too much, and we know it won’t be cheap.

You speak in such definites about something you can't possibly know.

You have no idea what a deal looks like. You have no idea what a contract extension for him looks like. You have no idea how it might (or might not) help the team.

You have to match salaries. The least offensive version of doing so is Rudy + Randle. Anything else and you lose Jaden or Naz. I hate small ball, and the league keeps moving away from it. OKC went out and got bigger, LAL was trying to get bigger, Dallas got a ton of bigs, Cleveland is doing very well playing big ball, ect… KD being 37 and expiring is a fact. The rule of over 38 is a fact. I just watched Mike Conley fall off the age wall, and I have paid attention to KD over the years. He doesn’t exactly build happy and healthy locker room culture. He has a bad habit of leaving teams worse off than when they found him.

You ask me how can I be 100% certain it will fail, I cannot. But just like the Ben Simmons trade suggestions this feels like a disaster waiting to happen. To hear how significantly TC is interested in KD feels like a very big threat to our franchise.

Durant seems more like someone who doesn't set a culture at all. Take that as good or bad, but it doesn't seem fair to blame him for Kyrie going full spiritual (or whatever he was doing in Brooklyn) and for Draymond being...well, Draymond. With a dominant and positive (at least on the court) personality in Ant, I don't see that being a problem.

And you keep bringing up Simmons as a false equivalency so let me offer a counter; I argued with most people on this board, particularly Shrink, that we should trade for Aaron Gordon before he was moved to Denver. But Gordon cost too much, wasn't good enough, wasn't a winner, etc, etc, or so I was told. But that turned out pretty well for Denver, didn't it?

[Slim Tubby]

Turns out all the negative hit pieces and rumors about Lore over the years were almost certainly fabrications.

AROD may be a sleezeball but Lore has done absolutely nothing to not be given the benefit of the doubt.

And AROD is just a figurehead so I really don't care about him. Lore is the guy with the money.

It's not a "hit piece" to question Lore's financial feasibility. He's a gutter bum compared to the other Owners and if he was so flush with working capital, why does he need partners?

I hope Lore turns out to be a great Owner and when your $1.7B investment nearly doubles seemingly overnight, that should do wonders if they are actually willing to invest in salary and luxury tax for a winner.

The sale is done. There will be no change to that status. We all need to stop in-fighting with fellow Wolves fans and give the new Owners a chance to show us what they're all about.

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