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Just because you disagree, doesn't make it negative. He has zero career accolades aside from making an all star game 6 years ago. No all nba selections, no playoff series wins, no mvp votes, no nothing. His biggest accomplishment is MIP/AS 6 seasons ago, that's not anything to celebrate. He's been in the league for 9 years, and has missed a full third of his games in the last 8 years. DD and Lowry had 50 win teams to their name, DD had multiple AS selections, all NBA 2nd and 3rd team, Siakam had multiple AS selections and all NBA, and duh a championship. Ingram is no more a first option than DD or Siakam were, 6 playoff games don't change that, I will trust the 495 regular season games instead.

Just because it doesn't mesh your opinion, it doesn't make it negative, reality doesn't care about how you feel, it exists regardless.

Just read what you wrote, you say your not being negative yet proceed to list off accolades that he hasn't achieved yet look over the two individual awards he actually won. He's never had the luxury that DeMar, Lowry and Pascal had of having another reliable all-star level teammate as the Pelicans have been a mess in regards to personnel and any type of momentum was always derailed by his or Zion's availability.

I never said that Brandon is coming in as some sort of savior for the franchise but he's clearly accomplished something to be worthy of getting paid near max money. 23pts, 5.5reb, 5.2ast on 57.6%TS (47/37/85) isn't just something you can roll out of bed doing. He is still the same high upside player that was drafted 2nd overall pick and given his offensive game, he projects to be a better primary scoring option than the Toronto version of DeMar and Pascal.

Not acknowledging a MIP/AS selection 6 years ago is not negativity, it is reality. So congrats he achieved those 2 pretty uninspiring milestones.

In the breadth of his career, he has accomplished nothing of note. No one is lining up the HOF votes for an all star reserve selection and a MIP award. If you think those are noteworthy, so be it, but me disagreeing doesn't make me negative. And sure, the pelicans have been a mess, I'm not disputing that, but it doesn't change the lack of accomplishments. Zion has played on the same team, and has barely played, yet has 2 AS selections and has put up better stats overall, shouldn't he be suffering from the same limitations? He also did that in half the time.

Stating his basic counting stats are not achievements. Also You're kinda pulling random numbers out of your ass with no context, where are those stats coming from, which season(s), which performance, you can't just list random stats and expect me to go WOW YOU'RE RIGHT!

And yeah, I would hope that he projects to be a better scoring option than Siakam, he's going into his 10th season and was a former 2nd OA pick. Siakam was never projected to be worth that level of pick, nor was he ever playing here with that level of experience.

As for DD? No, he isn't projected to be better and there is no reason to assume otherwise. DD in 2016-17 put up 27/5/4 on 55.2% TS%, and this is not be big upping DD, I thought he was a heavily flawed first option. Ingram absolutely is more efficient, but it's not like he's some unequivocal better option that DD was. All 3 of DD/BI/PS are cut from the same cloth, secondary options masquerading as first options.

Context and being realistic is not negativity, just because it isn't blind faith.

[phanman]

Not acknowledging a MIP/AS selection 6 years ago is not negativity, it is reality. So congrats he achieved those 2 pretty uninspiring milestones.

In the breadth of his career, he has accomplished nothing of note. No one is lining up the HOF votes for an all star reserve selection and a MIP award. If you think those are noteworthy, so be it, but me disagreeing doesn't make me negative. And sure, the pelicans have been a mess, I'm not disputing that, but it doesn't change the lack of accomplishments. Zion has played on the same team, and has barely played, yet has 2 AS selections and has put up better stats overall, shouldn't he be suffering from the same limitations? He also did that in half the time.

Achieving those milestones is the exact definition of accomplishing something. Yes Zion has two ASG nods and rightfully so because he actually played well in his sophmore season but that 2nd nod was stretch as he only played 29 games before getting injured and missing the ASG. Zion's also in a different stratosphere when it comes to untapped potential and a big influence to his selection was the hype had coming into the league or back from injury.

Stating his basic counting stats are not achievements. Also You're kinda pulling random numbers out of your ass with no context, where are those stats coming from, which season(s), which performance, you can't just list random stats and expect me to go WOW YOU'RE RIGHT!

It's not pulling random numbers out as these are his career numbers in 6 seasons with the Pelicans.

And yeah, I would hope that he projects to be a better scoring option than Siakam, he's going into his 10th season and was a former 2nd OA pick. Siakam was never projected to be worth that level of pick, nor was he ever playing here with that level of experience.

As for DD? No, he isn't projected to be better and there is no reason to assume otherwise. DD in 2016-17 put up 27/5/4 on 55.2% TS%, and this is not be big upping DD, I thought he was a heavily flawed first option. Ingram absolutely is more efficient, but it's not like he's some unequivocal better option that DD was. All 3 of DD/BI/PS are cut from the same cloth, secondary options masquerading as first options.

Context and being realistic is not negativity, just because it isn't blind faith.

Yeah and what did DeMar or Pascal's playoff numbers and efficiency look like once they were game planned as the primary scoring option? They've never had a playoff showing anywhere near what BI the 2 play-in games and playoffs against the Sun. It was only one year because of the lack of success in New Orleans, but you can't just dismiss those numbers because he hasn't made the playoffs more frequently.

[causal_fan]

Very expensive non-contending team.

[TGM]

Players get recognition when the team is winning. Ingram despite having his injuries also didn’t have the healthiest teammates. Zion played 70 games last year. But outside of that between this year and the 2021-22 and 22-23 he literally has been averaging 15 games per season. You ain’t winning nothing when the franchise guy is perpetually injured.

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Achieving those milestones is the exact definition of accomplishing something. Yes Zion has two ASG nods and rightfully so because he actually played well in his sophmore season but that 2nd nod was stretch as he only played 29 games before getting injured and missing the ASG. Zion's also in a different stratosphere when it comes to untapped potential and a big influence to his selection was the hype had coming into the league or back from injury.

Cool, making the NBA is an accomplishment too, so is finishing highschool. Should we be recognizing that? Yeah man everyone accomplishes something, the point is they are not notable.

It's not pulling random numbers out as these are his career numbers in 6 seasons with the Pelicans.

Cool am I supposed to be psychic now? You cherry picked a single 6 game playoff series, at least there you had the decency to state where the sample is coming from.

Yeah and what did DeMar or Pascal's playoff numbers and efficiency look like once they were game planned as the primary scoring option? They've never had a playoff showing anywhere near what BI the 2 play-in games and playoffs against the Sun. It was only one year because of the lack of success in New Orleans, but you can't just dismiss those numbers because he hasn't made the playoffs more frequently.

DD's first playoff series was 24/4/4 on 55% TS%, Siakam was 23/7/6 on 56% TS% with very good defence, BI had a better one for sure, that doesn't mean he's on pace to be better than DD/Siakam ever was here, IT WAS 6 GAMES, RELAX. I'm not counting the covid year for Siakam, same as you don't want to count the miserable series BI had against OKC.

Stop acting like he is head and shoulders above these guys or hell, even on pace to be better, they are literally the exact same tier of player. I'm not dismissing the numbers, I'm saying, for what feels like the 50th time now, that they don't mean anything, bad or good, because it was SIX GAMES.

Demars first playoff performance as a 1st option was his best showing in his entire career, if we were going by your metric that would mean he was a much better playoff performer than he actually ended up being. And that's why you don't make statements based on irrelevant sample sizes. I'm not even saying you're wrong and that he couldn't actually do that regularly, I'm saying it is absurd to claim off a 6 game series that, that, is exactly what you should expect moving forward. It's so illogical it's not even worth discussing.

[bballsparkin]

Masai's lost his touch.

Should've offered him no more than $60M/3 years.

So...pay him less than the Dillon Brooks contract?

check your sarcasm detector; it's broke.

[nikster]

Achieving those milestones is the exact definition of accomplishing something. Yes Zion has two ASG nods and rightfully so because he actually played well in his sophmore season but that 2nd nod was stretch as he only played 29 games before getting injured and missing the ASG. Zion's also in a different stratosphere when it comes to untapped potential and a big influence to his selection was the hype had coming into the league or back from injury.

Cool, making the NBA is an accomplishment too, so is finishing highschool. Should we be recognizing that? Yeah man everyone accomplishes something, the point is they are not notable.

It's not pulling random numbers out as these are his career numbers in 6 seasons with the Pelicans.

Cool am I supposed to be psychic now? You cherry picked a single 6 game playoff series, at least there you had the decency to state where the sample is coming from.

Yeah and what did DeMar or Pascal's playoff numbers and efficiency look like once they were game planned as the primary scoring option? They've never had a playoff showing anywhere near what BI the 2 play-in games and playoffs against the Sun. It was only one year because of the lack of success in New Orleans, but you can't just dismiss those numbers because he hasn't made the playoffs more frequently.

DD's first playoff series was 24/4/4 on 55% TS%, Siakam was 23/7/6 on 56% TS% with very good defence, BI had a better one for sure, that doesn't mean he's on pace to be better than DD/Siakam ever was here, IT WAS 6 GAMES, RELAX. I'm not counting the covid year for Siakam, same as you don't want to count the miserable series BI had against OKC.

Stop acting like he is head and shoulders above these guys or hell, even on pace to be better, they are literally the exact same tier of player. I'm not dismissing the numbers, I'm saying, for what feels like the 50th time now, that they don't mean anything, bad or good, because it was SIX GAMES.

Demars first playoff performance as a 1st option was his best showing in his entire career, if we were going by your metric that would mean he was a much better playoff performer than he actually ended up being. And that's why you don't make statements based on irrelevant sample sizes. I'm not even saying you're wrong and that he couldn't actually do that regularly, I'm saying it is absurd to claim off a 6 game series that, that, is exactly what you should expect moving forward. It's so illogical it's not even worth discussing.

How is making an all star game not an impressive accomplishment even in the context of the NBA? Especially in a competitive conference when the team hasn't had much success for reasons largely outside of his control? Only 40% of 2nd overall picks make at least one all star game

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[bon]

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-raptors-are-giving-brandon-ingram-a-120-million-extension-but-do-they-have-a-plan-212600711.html

Encapsulates a bit of the bigger picture issues with BI. Although he is more of a 3pt shooter, he functionally very much operates like DeRozan. The Kings fit for DeMar was always a question for him because of the needs of a hub/motion offense not meshing with his game. And this is a much bigger problem with Jak and our lack of spacing comparatively. Feeding into his inefficiencies.

Credit to RJ for adapting to the style (which suits him), but BI has never shown that flexibility. The offseason and the pick can change the dynamics a lot. But he's going to have to buy in and it may not even matter if the Jak spacing problem isn't solved.

The writer points out that Ingram doesn’t go to the rim much for his offense then some paragraphs later says the paint will now be clogged because of the acquisition. Alright

And BI has shown even more flexibility than RJ over the course of his career. Was primarily a slasher his first few seasons, became a shooter after the Lakers trade, then developed as a facilitator after Lonzo/Jrue left.

[phanman]

Cool, making the NBA is an accomplishment too, so is finishing highschool. Should we be recognizing that? Yeah man everyone accomplishes something, the point is they are not notable.

Now your just being silly. Being named an All Star is still an incredible achievement no matter how much you try to diminish it. Especially with it coinciding with him joining a new team and combining it with the MIP in that same season.

Cool am I supposed to be psychic now? You cherry picked a single 6 game playoff series, at least there you had the decency to state where the sample is coming from.

It's not cherry picking when its the only playoff showing we have available for BI when we was healthy. Once again it completely counters your statement of him not accomplishing anything. He led his team to the playoffs by winning two road games in the play-ins and then stole 2 games from the #1 overall seeded Suns team that were ranked 3rd in DRTG. Unfortunately he wasn't able to build off that performance as he only played 45 games the following year and the team ended up 9th with Zion also only playing 29. They lost to the Thunder in the play-in but he played great in that game as well when the pressure was on.

DD's first playoff series was 24/4/4 on 55% TS%, Siakam was 23/7/6 on 56% TS% with very good defence, BI had a better one for sure, that doesn't mean he's on pace to be better than DD/Siakam ever was here, IT WAS 6 GAMES, RELAX. I'm not counting the covid year for Siakam, same as you don't want to count the miserable series BI had against OKC.

Stop acting like he is head and shoulders above these guys or hell, even on pace to be better, they are literally the exact same tier of player. I'm not dismissing the numbers, I'm saying, for what feels like the 50th time now, that they don't mean anything, bad or good, because it was SIX GAMES.

Demars first playoff performance as a 1st option was his best showing in his entire career, if we were going by your metric that would mean he was a much better playoff performer than he actually ended up being. And that's why you don't make statements based on irrelevant sample sizes. I'm not even saying you're wrong and that he couldn't actually do that regularly, I'm saying it is absurd to claim off a 6 game series that, that, is exactly what you should expect moving forward. It's so illogical it's not even worth discussing.

DeMar's 55%TS was massively inflated by him taking 11.3FTA for the series. He shot 38.5%FG and 33% from 3 in that series against the Nets. That was the definition of numbers not telling the entire story as he was inefficient when it came down to actually making timely shots.

I never said BI was head and shoulders above them I just simply stated he has the potential to be better in that role that the previous two guys we had occupying that role. Yes its a 6 game sample I threw out initially, but it came in the playoffs when gets are more meaningful and opposing defenses have the time to game plan. If BI had more playoff showings than two we've than we would be dissecting those numbers too but he wasn't on a team good enough to consistently make it in the West like DeMar had in the East. If you honestly can't see how BI could become a better primary scoring option than the two given his skillset than I don't know what else to say.

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Achieving those milestones is the exact definition of accomplishing something. Yes Zion has two ASG nods and rightfully so because he actually played well in his sophmore season but that 2nd nod was stretch as he only played 29 games before getting injured and missing the ASG. Zion's also in a different stratosphere when it comes to untapped potential and a big influence to his selection was the hype had coming into the league or back from injury.

Cool, making the NBA is an accomplishment too, so is finishing highschool. Should we be recognizing that? Yeah man everyone accomplishes something, the point is they are not notable.

It's not pulling random numbers out as these are his career numbers in 6 seasons with the Pelicans.

Cool am I supposed to be psychic now? You cherry picked a single 6 game playoff series, at least there you had the decency to state where the sample is coming from.

Yeah and what did DeMar or Pascal's playoff numbers and efficiency look like once they were game planned as the primary scoring option? They've never had a playoff showing anywhere near what BI the 2 play-in games and playoffs against the Sun. It was only one year because of the lack of success in New Orleans, but you can't just dismiss those numbers because he hasn't made the playoffs more frequently.

DD's first playoff series was 24/4/4 on 55% TS%, Siakam was 23/7/6 on 56% TS% with very good defence, BI had a better one for sure, that doesn't mean he's on pace to be better than DD/Siakam ever was here, IT WAS 6 GAMES, RELAX. I'm not counting the covid year for Siakam, same as you don't want to count the miserable series BI had against OKC.

Stop acting like he is head and shoulders above these guys or hell, even on pace to be better, they are literally the exact same tier of player. I'm not dismissing the numbers, I'm saying, for what feels like the 50th time now, that they don't mean anything, bad or good, because it was SIX GAMES.

Demars first playoff performance as a 1st option was his best showing in his entire career, if we were going by your metric that would mean he was a much better playoff performer than he actually ended up being. And that's why you don't make statements based on irrelevant sample sizes. I'm not even saying you're wrong and that he couldn't actually do that regularly, I'm saying it is absurd to claim off a 6 game series that, that, is exactly what you should expect moving forward. It's so illogical it's not even worth discussing.

How is making an all star game not an impressive accomplishment even in the context of the NBA? Especially in a competitive conference when the team hasn't had much success for reasons largely outside of his control? Only 40% of 2nd overall picks make at least one all star game

Why are you glossing over all the relevant stuff and focusing on the AS selection?

The thrust of the argument is that Ingram isn't in some completely different tier than DD or Siakam, and he isn't. If the whole goal of the rebuild was just to get a younger Siakam, then it's a failed rebuild because they weren't good enough with Siakam. More depth is nice but it's not game-changing.

[InfraRedshaw]

should it make me feel good that BI turned down NOLA for here instead?
probs not

but does it?
Probs a little

[nikster]

But look how long it took for them to get to their peaks. Siakam was peaking with us at 28 in his 7th season. Powell took a leap in year 5 at 26 years old. Derozan had his best season with us year 8. 2 of those guys were drafted as older rookies, and they all continued to improve even after they were traded.

Why cant Ingram, RJ or quick be in a similar boat? Continue to improve and either keep them if they fit or flip them for future assets or another opportunity. For Quick and RJ we essentialy just skipped the first contract years where players are generally less productive anyway. Ingram we are getting right as he should be entering his best years.

In no way am I saying they can't improve, I just always view this stuff out from the lens of probabilities.

BI is going to be 28 years old and in his 10th year, any noticeable improvement is probably unlikely, he's already a good player and his biggest issue is health, so if anything his improvement will come from playing more games, which is not very likely, or being put in a better system like we have for RJ.

RJ by the nature of being younger has more room for growth, but he'll also be headed into his 7th year next year, so reasonably speaking it's also not going to be super common, or any substantial improvement.

But these guys were also drafted 2nd and 3rd overall, they aren't like Norm, or Siakam, or IQ. They were guys that have had a teams entire focus being on developing them, so guys like BI/RJ should be further ahead and with less room for growth as they age.

You also need to understand that players like Siakam/Norm are exceptions, not the rule. Siakam also wasn't playing ball his entire life, so there is more to catch up on, meaning he has more room for growth. There are tons of variables that need to be taken into account, but typically you aren't seeing guys make massive improvements when they are 6/7/8/9/10 years into their careers. The contract BI got for instance was not a contract like Scottie got, BI is a known quantity, Scottie is being paid for future presumed improvement. BI meanwhile has had pretty much the same performance +/- some stats the last 6 years, he can definitely improve further and maybe the change of scenery helps, but overall, they will be slight, if any.

And all of that is fine, but is also a rather large limiting factor on the ceiling of a team. You look at a team like ORL where their star is 22 years old, and he's already playing very well, yeah expecting him to get even better is a fair assumption. Might never happen, but it's a very realistic possibility. Paolo literally just turned 22 in November, and he hasn't even played 200 career games, the chances he will improve substantially are pretty high. BI being 500 games in 28 at the start of next season, and in his 10th year? It is not a reasonable assumption there will be a substantial jump.

Paolo having that room for growth directly impacts how much further and better their team can get. So all things equal 2 teams playing at say a 40 win pace, one with the lead guy being 22 and in his 3rd year, and another being 28 in his 10th year, yeah the former is probably gonna be the better team moving forward.

My biggest gripe is that despite what some people want to say, we are no longer a young team. We have a bunch of younger players for sure, but they are all pretty much late seconds, or even undrafted players. Those statistically speaking do not amount to much, and virtually never amount to a good enough player to alter the trajectory of a franchise. That is typically reserved for your starting unit, and ours isn't exactly a bunch of newborns.

I don't put a lot of stock in experienced players taking large leaps, because it doesn't usually happen, and it's also why I'm so pro draft.

Nobody is saying large leaps. Bi might get some initial boost from new context/system but can continue to improve incrementally like countless Raptors have.

I also disagree that just because they were high picks they were in a better situation to grow, or that being thrown into higher minutes is necessarily better for development. A players prime tends be around 28-32, and i haven't seen any evidence to suggest higher picks hit their prime earlier. RJ is still 3-4 years away from that and so is IQ. And still don't see how your responses address the fact that the team control you were talking about is more valuable then getting players like IQ and RJ

I also don't see how we aren't a young team. Our best player is 23. 2 others in the starting lineup and virtually the entire bench are 25 and younger. Ingram and Poeltl are the only older guys of significance in the rotation at 27 and 29 years old. 5 years from now, everyone is still in their primes or about to reach their primes except Poeltl

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Achieving those milestones is the exact definition of accomplishing something. Yes Zion has two ASG nods and rightfully so because he actually played well in his sophmore season but that 2nd nod was stretch as he only played 29 games before getting injured and missing the ASG. Zion's also in a different stratosphere when it comes to untapped potential and a big influence to his selection was the hype had coming into the league or back from injury.

Cool, making the NBA is an accomplishment too, so is finishing highschool. Should we be recognizing that? Yeah man everyone accomplishes something, the point is they are not notable.

It's not pulling random numbers out as these are his career numbers in 6 seasons with the Pelicans.

Cool am I supposed to be psychic now? You cherry picked a single 6 game playoff series, at least there you had the decency to state where the sample is coming from.

Yeah and what did DeMar or Pascal's playoff numbers and efficiency look like once they were game planned as the primary scoring option? They've never had a playoff showing anywhere near what BI the 2 play-in games and playoffs against the Sun. It was only one year because of the lack of success in New Orleans, but you can't just dismiss those numbers because he hasn't made the playoffs more frequently.

DD's first playoff series was 24/4/4 on 55% TS%, Siakam was 23/7/6 on 56% TS% with very good defence, BI had a better one for sure, that doesn't mean he's on pace to be better than DD/Siakam ever was here, IT WAS 6 GAMES, RELAX. I'm not counting the covid year for Siakam, same as you don't want to count the miserable series BI had against OKC.

Stop acting like he is head and shoulders above these guys or hell, even on pace to be better, they are literally the exact same tier of player. I'm not dismissing the numbers, I'm saying, for what feels like the 50th time now, that they don't mean anything, bad or good, because it was SIX GAMES.

Demars first playoff performance as a 1st option was his best showing in his entire career, if we were going by your metric that would mean he was a much better playoff performer than he actually ended up being. And that's why you don't make statements based on irrelevant sample sizes. I'm not even saying you're wrong and that he couldn't actually do that regularly, I'm saying it is absurd to claim off a 6 game series that, that, is exactly what you should expect moving forward. It's so illogical it's not even worth discussing.

How is making an all star game not an impressive accomplishment even in the context of the NBA? Especially in a competitive conference when the team hasn't had much success for reasons largely outside of his control? Only 40% of 2nd overall picks make at least one all star game

The same way it isn't/wasn't impressive when a team makes the playoffs with a losing record, or in a league where half the teams make the playoffs. If damn near half the people you are compared to do something, that's not impressive, it's virtually expected. A 2nd OA pick making 1 ASG as a reserve in 9 years is not impressive, maybe you need to up your standards.

[NotMyKawhi]

Rather have BI over Joey Graham

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Cool, making the NBA is an accomplishment too, so is finishing highschool. Should we be recognizing that? Yeah man everyone accomplishes something, the point is they are not notable.

Now your just being silly. Being named an All Star is still an incredible achievement no matter how much you try to diminish it. Especially with it coinciding with him joining a new team and combining it with the MIP in that same season.

Cool am I supposed to be psychic now? You cherry picked a single 6 game playoff series, at least there you had the decency to state where the sample is coming from.

It's not cherry picking when its the only playoff showing we have available for BI when we was healthy. Once again it completely counters your statement of him not accomplishing anything. He led his team to the playoffs by winning two road games in the play-ins and then stole 2 games from the #1 overall seeded Suns team that were ranked 3rd in DRTG. Unfortunately he wasn't able to build off that performance as he only played 45 games the following year and the team ended up 9th with Zion also only playing 29. They lost to the Thunder in the play-in but he played great in that game as well when the pressure was on.

DD's first playoff series was 24/4/4 on 55% TS%, Siakam was 23/7/6 on 56% TS% with very good defence, BI had a better one for sure, that doesn't mean he's on pace to be better than DD/Siakam ever was here, IT WAS 6 GAMES, RELAX. I'm not counting the covid year for Siakam, same as you don't want to count the miserable series BI had against OKC.

Stop acting like he is head and shoulders above these guys or hell, even on pace to be better, they are literally the exact same tier of player. I'm not dismissing the numbers, I'm saying, for what feels like the 50th time now, that they don't mean anything, bad or good, because it was SIX GAMES.

Demars first playoff performance as a 1st option was his best showing in his entire career, if we were going by your metric that would mean he was a much better playoff performer than he actually ended up being. And that's why you don't make statements based on irrelevant sample sizes. I'm not even saying you're wrong and that he couldn't actually do that regularly, I'm saying it is absurd to claim off a 6 game series that, that, is exactly what you should expect moving forward. It's so illogical it's not even worth discussing.

DeMar's 55%TS was massively inflated by him taking 11.3FTA for the series. He shot 38.5%FG and 33% from 3 in that series against the Nets. That was the definition of numbers not telling the entire story as he was inefficient when it came down to actually making timely shots.

I never said BI was head and shoulders above them I just simply stated he has the potential to be better in that role that the previous two guys we had occupying that role. Yes its a 6 game sample I threw out initially, but it came in the playoffs when gets are more meaningful and opposing defenses have the time to game plan. If BI had more playoff showings than two we've than we would be dissecting those numbers too but he wasn't on a team good enough to consistently make it in the West like DeMar had in the East. If you honestly can't see how BI could become a better primary scoring option than the two given his skillset than I don't know what else to say.

Yeah this is exactly what I expected, you have an excuse for literally everything.

Oh no really it's impressive because he led them to the playoffs by winning 2 road games in the play in! And then he "stole" 2 games from the suns, and he did it all by himself! Lets ignore that in that second win JV put up 26/15/4 on 65.5% TS%, while he put up 30/4/5 on 54.7% TS%, all while playing against a Suns team without Booker for 3 of those 6 games.

Convenient how you leave that out right?

Oh DD's TS was inflated because of his FTA! Yeah, like that isn't a skill in itself or anything, not like the literal point of TS%, is to take that into account. DD averaged 8FTA that year in the RS and went up to 11 in the playoffs, BI averaged 6FTA in the RS and went up to 8 in the playoffs, BI also shot THIRTY-THREE PERCENT FROM 3 in the RS and shot FORTY-ONE PERCENT FROM 3 in the playoffs. Almost like it's inflated from a small sample size or something right?

Nah couldn't be that, couldn't be that everything that runs counter to your weak argument has an excuse, but every flawed statement you make is totally 100% facts. Source? Trust me bro.

I'm done with this stupid argument, you can't even purport to be remotely unbiased.

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[Nebuchadnezzar]

should it make me feel good that BI turned down NOLA for here instead?
probs not

but does it?
Probs a little

Absolutely it should. When has this ever happened? Even though we have been a bottom feeder team this year, and are in Canada, an all star level player chose to be here because we are a first class, championship organization.

[MoneyBall]

Rather have BI over Joey Graham

Joey Graham can bench more weight, though.

[sidsid]

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-raptors-are-giving-brandon-ingram-a-120-million-extension-but-do-they-have-a-plan-212600711.html

Encapsulates a bit of the bigger picture issues with BI. Although he is more of a 3pt shooter, he functionally very much operates like DeRozan. The Kings fit for DeMar was always a question for him because of the needs of a hub/motion offense not meshing with his game. And this is a much bigger problem with Jak and our lack of spacing comparatively. Feeding into his inefficiencies.

Credit to RJ for adapting to the style (which suits him), but BI has never shown that flexibility. The offseason and the pick can change the dynamics a lot. But he's going to have to buy in and it may not even matter if the Jak spacing problem isn't solved.

The writer points out that Ingram doesn’t go to the rim much for his offense then some paragraphs later says the paint will now be clogged because of the acquisition. Alright

And BI has shown even more flexibility than RJ over the course of his career. Was primarily a slasher his first few seasons, became a shooter after the Lakers trade, then developed as a facilitator after Lonzo/Jrue left.

It's the avenues for efficiency being cutoff that we want to change. The shift in offense and how we used RJ leaned into his strengths and mitigated the weaknesses. Ingram is an ISO guy that doesn't generate a lot of easier offense for himself. We'd want him to get more easy paint/FT touches and more 3s and away from his middy reliance. The Jak problem will cutoff the paint options which leaves us with the 3.

That's why I focused on him buying in to the motion offense (honestly need more of that for IQ too. Less on-ball) for the team to be effective. Act more as a quick decision connector.