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[robillionaire]

Knicks fans say they care about defense but the reality most Knicks fans don't really care about defense.

They just pretend to.

It's one of my key takeaways from supporting this team for nearly 20 years.

I don’t agree. Knicks fans really do care about defense. But at the same time every player doesn’t have to be a good defender though. Brunson is a terrible defensive player but we know what he brings to our team and he is a beloved player and well deserved. It might be more accurate to say fans love hustle type guys, and a lot of the time hustle and defense goes hand in hand.

The takeaway I have is that we tend to treat drafted players like they are our children and are willing to overlook their glaring flaws and will try to end the careers of actually good players and coaches if they think they are standing in the way or their children are being slighted

The narrative I always heard was folks saying “you can’t rebuild in NY” because fans aren’t patient, that’s hilariously wrong from what I can tell. Most fans would rather lose forever, so they don’t have to deal with any kind of expectations, scout international and ncaa prospects and watch hype videos of young players while we lose 60+ games every year. We could do this forever and fans would be thrilled and excited.

We are in year 1 of having this very talented roster post the Towns and Bridges additions, having a good season even with the natural time to build cohesion that comes with a new team. Not even to the all star break yet, and people are trying to put a ceiling on it, say it’s over for 5 years, it’s back to Isaiah, fire and trade everyone(I assume so we can go back to hitting the tank crack pipe) I sort of wonder when the demands for players to be removed or people to be fired when Kolek Dadiet and Hukporti don’t amount to much, because that’s more important and exciting than winning games.

We have a top 5 record in the league and fans hate it. People need to change that saying. You can’t try to win in NY.

Thibs still needs to go

Well maybe so. Let’s see how the season ends. The players do like Thibs and he’s a big part of the team identity and he’s helped turned the franchise around. But if we try and try and can’t get over the top and it still doesn’t work out at some point ultimately you have to make a change and go another direction. I say that from a perspective of wanting the team to be successful.

Now many others have been trying to get him fired since the day he stepped off the plane. Because the fact of the matter is as long as he is the coach, tanking is impossible, and whatever kid you like probably ain’t playing much. And many are still seeking revenge for the years of blaming him because we overhyped a bunch of busts who didn’t pan out and need him to be fired to feel vindicated for it. The good news is that even if he is fired, those players aren’t coming back and the picks we sent out for Mikal aren’t coming back. The option to start losing on purpose again is gone for the rest of this decade and it is not coming back any time soon. So whoever else replaces him is also coming in to win games and take us to the next level, not be fizdale and run a daycare. So that’s at least something to take solace in

[Guano]

This is the best or second-best Knicks team in the last quarter century.

They're behind only Boston and OKC, who are clearly a step ahead of them. We're in that second tier with Cleveland, Denver, LA and Memphis.

Seems like a large portion of the fanbase is just waiting for the playoffs. I think there are also a lot of KAT haters who are hedging their bet a bit, waiting to see how this team compares to last year's team.

Let me be clear that this observation obviously does not concern our boy melo. But unfortunately a lot of folks are homophobic, and I think is a lot of the "sassy" or "zesty" comments you see on social media (let alone "pause") are veiled ways of distancing themselves from KAT because they feel his character is "gay". And these fans already have one foot out the door in case the team fails to reach another round - "I knew it wasn't going to work out so I was never all in".

All we need is health. This team is a threat for anyone.

'Preciate you, homie. You're one of the good ones.

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Knicks fans say they care about defense but the reality most Knicks fans don't really care about defense.

They just pretend to.

It's one of my key takeaways from supporting this team for nearly 20 years.

I absolutely care and shade toward defense over offense because you can't win if you're soft ... but obviously it's a balance and I don't think Mitch seems to strike the balance we need. I'd be curious what you think about Precious.

Plus I'd point out that you're a major KAT guy and so not sure you can say you prize defense especially either, other than in that same balance.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Knicks fans say they care about defense but the reality most Knicks fans don't really care about defense.

They just pretend to.

It's one of my key takeaways from supporting this team for nearly 20 years.

I don’t agree. Knicks fans really do care about defense. But at the same time every player doesn’t have to be a good defender though. Brunson is a terrible defensive player but we know what he brings to our team and he is a beloved player and well deserved. It might be more accurate to say fans love hustle type guys, and a lot of the time hustle and defense goes hand in hand.

The takeaway I have is that we tend to treat drafted players like they are our children and are willing to overlook their glaring flaws and will try to end the careers of actually good players and coaches if they think they are standing in the way or their children are being slighted

The narrative I always heard was folks saying “you can’t rebuild in NY” because fans aren’t patient, that’s hilariously wrong from what I can tell. Most fans would rather lose forever, so they don’t have to deal with any kind of expectations, scout international and ncaa prospects and watch hype videos of young players while we lose 60+ games every year. We could do this forever and fans would be thrilled and excited.

We are in year 1 of having this very talented roster post the Towns and Bridges additions, having a good season even with the natural time to build cohesion that comes with a new team. Not even to the all star break yet, and people are trying to put a ceiling on it, say it’s over for 5 years, it’s back to Isaiah, fire and trade everyone(I assume so we can go back to hitting the tank crack pipe) I sort of wonder when the demands for players to be removed or people to be fired when Kolek Dadiet and Hukporti don’t amount to much, because that’s more important and exciting than winning games.

We have a top 5 record in the league and fans hate it. People need to change that saying. You can’t try to win in NY.

Thibs still needs to go

Speaking for myself, though I know others agreed at the time, Obi deserved more minutes off the bench. Saying it is only about people wanting to root for homegrown players is not true. The people acting like Randle was great and deserved to not be held accountable for his BS were just as wrong as Obi fans who thought he should start. They acted and STILL act like Randle was their son.

In the beginning we were a tank team. Obi should have been given a longer leash off the bench but that never happened. Let's not pretend Thibs gives bench level players any room to grow because he doesn't. Or should I say he's usually too slow to recognize it until he loses his starters to injury.

Obi consistently played better with more minutes in his time here. He would have helped off the bench but, Thibs stubbornness doesn't allow for that. His penchant for vet players is well documented. He would rather run his starters into the ground than risk a regular season loss playing the bench/rookies.

In the end, both losers are gone and the biggest mistake in evaluating these guys was made by Randle fans who still can't let it go. Most Obi fans were over it by the time he was traded. Standles wouldn't let it go even after KAT was destroying the level of play Randle brought to the team. It was sad to watch, or it wasn't. No one cares anymore except the people who can't let it go YEARS after Obi has been gone.

We here. They aren't. We are better now than we have been for decades. Try focusing on that and let the petty squabbles fade away. Or take it to the bytch tread and leave the current team discussion alone for those of us who actually enjoy winning at a higher level. We really have to rehash bums who don't play here anymore? What a riveting discussion that is. Or it isn't.

[K_ick_God]

You guys are talking as if Obi has been a total zero. Not exactly. But his flaws are bad without Turner, who is one of the most underrated players in the game.

[stuporman]

The fan socials are so bipolar, I hope people aren't like this irl because it cannot be healthy to have this mindset every day. Although, looking out at the world and how people behave, I suspect they are.

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Knicks fans say they care about defense but the reality most Knicks fans don't really care about defense.

They just pretend to.

It's one of my key takeaways from supporting this team for nearly 20 years.

Shortsighted and harsh. We grasp for hope. The starphuckers, the frank hive, the barbs, the January Knicks stan, all of it is just wanting whats best for the knicks to win. And sometimes in the case of obi over randle is the hope in the young unknown over randle. Its easier to dismiss his lack of defense thsn someone we saw not try on defense for awhile.

Not mutually exclusive guan0, not mutually exclusive!!!!!!!!!

[Guano]

Knicks fans say they care about defense but the reality most Knicks fans don't really care about defense.

They just pretend to.

It's one of my key takeaways from supporting this team for nearly 20 years.

Shortsighted and harsh. We grasp for hope. The starphuckers, the frank hive, the barbs, the January Knicks stan, all of it is just wanting whats best for the knicks to win. And sometimes in the case of obi over randle is the hope in the young unknown over randle. Its easier to dismiss his lack of defense thsn someone we saw not try on defense for awhile.

Not mutually exclusive guan0, not mutually exclusive!!!!!!!!!

Sure

But it has to do with overlooking some players defensive deficiencies.

[KnixinSix]

Well....you never know but, Mitch is on this roster and we are challenging the top of the league to make the playoffs. So we are contending. If we fall short that's ok. If we get better with Mitch and win, that's ok too. We are actual contenders right now. That doesn't change until we lose in the playoffs. Then we regroup and try again next year.

JB your tune from this offseason has definitely become more optimistic and I love that.

With that said, I think this teams defense is too flawed in Thibs rigid system to beat the top, top teams WITHOUT an elite rim protector.

THibs has had an elite rim protector all 5 years he has been here. KAT while he has been awesome in practically every other way , has proven he can't be an elite rim protector at this point.

Achiuwa is nice but he isn't a true elite rim protector either. Huk is developing as a rookie and it's clear Thibs doesn't fully trust him yet.

So while I love this team they would need a coach who isn't so rigid and can execute a high level switching defense to win with this group without the elite 5 (without Mitch or an elite rim protector).

I was not a fan of the trade originally because I bought into the talk of KAT being soft and not really knowing what he was all about. I knew the trade made sense but, I loved the January team and really wanted to run it back with Mikal. Shart changed all of that. After preseason I was totally on board. When the season started there was a few of us stressing patience and just enjoying watching the team find their way while people were complaining about EVERYONE in the starting 5.

I lost my patience with Thibs for a week or two but, have since just been trying to enjoy the team itself. The minutes wars were so annoying because Thibs lawyers simply can't see what was happening and they wouldn't shut up about it. The bench wars were a part of that as well. He refuses to try anything different and we watched KAT go down in Chicago when he shouldn't have even been on the court. Then we saw OG go down with a non contact injury as well. I have since dropped out of the Thibs wars.

This team is right there. They have a weak bench offensively and we have a weak offensive system. Our defense can only work one way with Thibs as the HC. These are the flaws that I see. We still haven't played a single game with everyone in the rotation healthy. After the break we should be able to start building that chemistry. It may click at the right time and then the sky is the limit. We may need to change up the bench next summer before we make a real finals run. Who knows?

Just because we lost two games to BOS 3.5 months apart doesn't mean we can't compete in a series. It doesn't look good but, time will tell. We almost beat OKC in one of the losses. We choked away the CLE game the one time we played them as well. None of those games happened when we had any real chemistry or a complete team/bench. There is no telling what lies ahead but, we may fall short because of depth and/or coaching. I will deal with that reality when it happens. Until then, I will enjoy every minute of this season that I can and take the highs with the lows. Every team ahead of us in the assumed pecking order has multiple years of chemistry and continuity. We have 3.5 months. That is the reality of the situation.

The other reality is that we haven't had a team this good in over 25 years. I don't count that 54 win season because we had serious issues with that team and a circus tent pitched over the team for a decade before and after that. This is a new beginning and, I am here for all of it. No matter how the season ends. We are right there with the best teams in the league. It will be a matter of getting over the hump at some point. I trust the FO can actually make it happen if they keep doing what they have been doing. When was the last time you could say that about this team?

Agreed on just about every point. This team is good very good even. However I believe they could be even better with either better coaching or an elite rim protector.

I am a bit more cynical on Thibs. Because a team with this much defensive talent should be better defensively.

However I also know his rigid system requires an elite rim protector so I am waiting on that before making a final judgement.

With Mitch if Thibs gets this defense playing like they were second half of last year after O.G came on board and now with a significantly better offense, this team I believe can play with anyone including the very best teams.

[Jalen Bluntson]

JB your tune from this offseason has definitely become more optimistic and I love that.

With that said, I think this teams defense is too flawed in Thibs rigid system to beat the top, top teams WITHOUT an elite rim protector.

THibs has had an elite rim protector all 5 years he has been here. KAT while he has been awesome in practically every other way , has proven he can't be an elite rim protector at this point.

Achiuwa is nice but he isn't a true elite rim protector either. Huk is developing as a rookie and it's clear Thibs doesn't fully trust him yet.

So while I love this team they would need a coach who isn't so rigid and can execute a high level switching defense to win with this group without the elite 5 (without Mitch or an elite rim protector).

I was not a fan of the trade originally because I bought into the talk of KAT being soft and not really knowing what he was all about. I knew the trade made sense but, I loved the January team and really wanted to run it back with Mikal. Shart changed all of that. After preseason I was totally on board. When the season started there was a few of us stressing patience and just enjoying watching the team find their way while people were complaining about EVERYONE in the starting 5.

I lost my patience with Thibs for a week or two but, have since just been trying to enjoy the team itself. The minutes wars were so annoying because Thibs lawyers simply can't see what was happening and they wouldn't shut up about it. The bench wars were a part of that as well. He refuses to try anything different and we watched KAT go down in Chicago when he shouldn't have even been on the court. Then we saw OG go down with a non contact injury as well. I have since dropped out of the Thibs wars.

This team is right there. They have a weak bench offensively and we have a weak offensive system. Our defense can only work one way with Thibs as the HC. These are the flaws that I see. We still haven't played a single game with everyone in the rotation healthy. After the break we should be able to start building that chemistry. It may click at the right time and then the sky is the limit. We may need to change up the bench next summer before we make a real finals run. Who knows?

Just because we lost two games to BOS 3.5 months apart doesn't mean we can't compete in a series. It doesn't look good but, time will tell. We almost beat OKC in one of the losses. We choked away the CLE game the one time we played them as well. None of those games happened when we had any real chemistry or a complete team/bench. There is no telling what lies ahead but, we may fall short because of depth and/or coaching. I will deal with that reality when it happens. Until then, I will enjoy every minute of this season that I can and take the highs with the lows. Every team ahead of us in the assumed pecking order has multiple years of chemistry and continuity. We have 3.5 months. That is the reality of the situation.

The other reality is that we haven't had a team this good in over 25 years. I don't count that 54 win season because we had serious issues with that team and a circus tent pitched over the team for a decade before and after that. This is a new beginning and, I am here for all of it. No matter how the season ends. We are right there with the best teams in the league. It will be a matter of getting over the hump at some point. I trust the FO can actually make it happen if they keep doing what they have been doing. When was the last time you could say that about this team?

Agreed on just about every point. This team is good very good even. However I believe they could be even better with either better coaching or an elite rim protector.

I am a bit more cynical on Thibs. Because a team with this much defensive talent should be better defensively.

However I also know his rigid system requires an elite rim protector so I am waiting on that before making a final judgement.

With Mitch if he gets this defense playing like they were second half of last year after O.G came on board and now with a significantly better offense, this team I believe can play with anyone including the very best teams.

So you agree on every point?

I said the coaching and the depth have been our big flaws. Thibs is the coach and Mitch is the depth he needs. I am just as cynical on Thibs but, like you point out, he has not had his linchpin to run his defense with AT ALL. So, I will be a little more patient with him. I cannot wait to see what the team looks like after the break.

One thing I will point out, Mitch never played with OG until the playoffs basically. A handful of games at best. No real sample size to rave about but, I am excited to see what we look like with both of them healthy at the same time again.

I still believe we can win it all this season if everything goes our way in the playoffs. We will need to be 100% healthy to have a chance though and even then, it's not going to be easy. We may still be on the outside looking in. We just don't have the continuity and chemistry(or the depth right now) of any of the teams people are putting ahead of us in the rankings.

I still think we add Warren to the team as well. He can definitely score and we need that from our bench in the worst way. As much as we need Thibs to actually play the bench, he hasn't had much to work with this season. He simply will not trust rookies. Period.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Warren/Precious/Mitch is plenty of depth to work with. If Thibs can't figure it out, he may be the problem. There is plenty of offense and defense there to make it work. We just need them all healthy at the same time.

[KnixinSix]

I was not a fan of the trade originally because I bought into the talk of KAT being soft and not really knowing what he was all about. I knew the trade made sense but, I loved the January team and really wanted to run it back with Mikal. Shart changed all of that. After preseason I was totally on board. When the season started there was a few of us stressing patience and just enjoying watching the team find their way while people were complaining about EVERYONE in the starting 5.

I lost my patience with Thibs for a week or two but, have since just been trying to enjoy the team itself. The minutes wars were so annoying because Thibs lawyers simply can't see what was happening and they wouldn't shut up about it. The bench wars were a part of that as well. He refuses to try anything different and we watched KAT go down in Chicago when he shouldn't have even been on the court. Then we saw OG go down with a non contact injury as well. I have since dropped out of the Thibs wars.

This team is right there. They have a weak bench offensively and we have a weak offensive system. Our defense can only work one way with Thibs as the HC. These are the flaws that I see. We still haven't played a single game with everyone in the rotation healthy. After the break we should be able to start building that chemistry. It may click at the right time and then the sky is the limit. We may need to change up the bench next summer before we make a real finals run. Who knows?

Just because we lost two games to BOS 3.5 months apart doesn't mean we can't compete in a series. It doesn't look good but, time will tell. We almost beat OKC in one of the losses. We choked away the CLE game the one time we played them as well. None of those games happened when we had any real chemistry or a complete team/bench. There is no telling what lies ahead but, we may fall short because of depth and/or coaching. I will deal with that reality when it happens. Until then, I will enjoy every minute of this season that I can and take the highs with the lows. Every team ahead of us in the assumed pecking order has multiple years of chemistry and continuity. We have 3.5 months. That is the reality of the situation.

The other reality is that we haven't had a team this good in over 25 years. I don't count that 54 win season because we had serious issues with that team and a circus tent pitched over the team for a decade before and after that. This is a new beginning and, I am here for all of it. No matter how the season ends. We are right there with the best teams in the league. It will be a matter of getting over the hump at some point. I trust the FO can actually make it happen if they keep doing what they have been doing. When was the last time you could say that about this team?

Agreed on just about every point. This team is good very good even. However I believe they could be even better with either better coaching or an elite rim protector.

I am a bit more cynical on Thibs. Because a team with this much defensive talent should be better defensively.

However I also know his rigid system requires an elite rim protector so I am waiting on that before making a final judgement.

With Mitch if he gets this defense playing like they were second half of last year after O.G came on board and now with a significantly better offense, this team I believe can play with anyone including the very best teams.

So you agree on every point?

I said the coaching and the depth have been our big flaws. Thibs is the coach and Mitch is the depth he needs. I am just as cynical on Thibs but, like you point out, he has not had his linchpin to run his defense with AT ALL. So, I will be a little more patient with him. I cannot wait to see what the team looks like after the break.

One thing I will point out, Mitch never played with OG until the playoffs basically. A handful of games at best. No real sample size to rave about but, I am excited to see what we look like with both of them healthy at the same time again. I still believe we can win it all this season if everything goes our way in the playoffs. We will need to be 100% healthy to have a chance though and even then, it's not going to be easy. We may still be on the outside looking in. We just don't have the continuity and chemistry(or the depth right now) of any of the teams people are putting ahead of us in the rankings.

I still think we add Warren to the team as well. He can definitely score and we need that from our bench in the worst way. As much as we need Thibs to actually play the bench, he hasn't had much to work with this season. He simply will not trust rookies. Period.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Warren/Precious/Mitch is plenty of depth to work with. If Thibs can't figure it out, he may be the problem. There is plenty of offense and defense there to make it work. We just need them all healthy at the same time.

Yea I want to see what the product looks like when we have all the key pieces.

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[Jeff Van Gully]

Even if he’s ineffective sometimes, I really appreciate KAT’s effort on defense.

I’m even growing to love his constant O-Faces of disbelief at the ref on clear fouls.

His "OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!" screams when he doesn't get a foul call are hilarious, he's so non-threatening that despite yelling at the top of his lungs the refs don't give him a tech.

Really true. Something uncannily innocent minded and approachable about the guy.

It's also crazy that he's as good a passer as he is. I don't think people really noted the no-look pass in the open court yesterday lol.

He's just fun to watch and his flaws are not annoying at all.

ngl the lack of hand up when defending the paint bothers me. but i wonder if that's to prevent EVEN MORE fouls.

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puts **** into perspective a bit, doesn't it?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Agreed on just about every point. This team is good very good even. However I believe they could be even better with either better coaching or an elite rim protector.

I am a bit more cynical on Thibs. Because a team with this much defensive talent should be better defensively.

However I also know his rigid system requires an elite rim protector so I am waiting on that before making a final judgement.

With Mitch if he gets this defense playing like they were second half of last year after O.G came on board and now with a significantly better offense, this team I believe can play with anyone including the very best teams.

So you agree on every point?

I said the coaching and the depth have been our big flaws. Thibs is the coach and Mitch is the depth he needs. I am just as cynical on Thibs but, like you point out, he has not had his linchpin to run his defense with AT ALL. So, I will be a little more patient with him. I cannot wait to see what the team looks like after the break.

One thing I will point out, Mitch never played with OG until the playoffs basically. A handful of games at best. No real sample size to rave about but, I am excited to see what we look like with both of them healthy at the same time again. I still believe we can win it all this season if everything goes our way in the playoffs. We will need to be 100% healthy to have a chance though and even then, it's not going to be easy. We may still be on the outside looking in. We just don't have the continuity and chemistry(or the depth right now) of any of the teams people are putting ahead of us in the rankings.

I still think we add Warren to the team as well. He can definitely score and we need that from our bench in the worst way. As much as we need Thibs to actually play the bench, he hasn't had much to work with this season. He simply will not trust rookies. Period.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Warren/Precious/Mitch is plenty of depth to work with. If Thibs can't figure it out, he may be the problem. There is plenty of offense and defense there to make it work. We just need them all healthy at the same time.

Yea I want to see what the product looks like when we have all the key pieces.

Not sure why we traded for Delon but, if he's the blanket on perimeter defense others have claimed, he may also be another depth piece I forgot to add. Not that it matters but, we all know we need to defend the 3 better so, figured I'd throw it out there. We all know Thibs short rotations will most likely not see half of the bench players listed getting minutes. Which speaks to the flaws we mentioned.

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puts **** into perspective a bit, doesn't it?

sure does... and the dads seems like really cool people...but it wont stop be from hating on Haliburton while he's playing against us

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puts **** into perspective a bit, doesn't it?

Yeah. The league is bytch made these days. Everybody grows up playing together and now the whole damn summer they play together. It takes away from the real rivalry teams of the past. Bunch of hugs and kisses for everyone!

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Knicks fans say they care about defense but the reality most Knicks fans don't really care about defense.

They just pretend to.

It's one of my key takeaways from supporting this team for nearly 20 years.

I don’t agree. Knicks fans really do care about defense. But at the same time every player doesn’t have to be a good defender though. Brunson is a terrible defensive player but we know what he brings to our team and he is a beloved player and well deserved. It might be more accurate to say fans love hustle type guys, and a lot of the time hustle and defense goes hand in hand.

The takeaway I have is that we tend to treat drafted players like they are our children and are willing to overlook their glaring flaws and will try to end the careers of actually good players and coaches if they think they are standing in the way or their children are being slighted

The narrative I always heard was folks saying “you can’t rebuild in NY” because fans aren’t patient, that’s hilariously wrong from what I can tell. Most fans would rather lose forever, so they don’t have to deal with any kind of expectations, scout international and ncaa prospects and watch hype videos of young players while we lose 60+ games every year. We could do this forever and fans would be thrilled and excited.

We are in year 1 of having this very talented roster post the Towns and Bridges additions, having a good season even with the natural time to build cohesion that comes with a new team. Not even to the all star break yet, and people are trying to put a ceiling on it, say it’s over for 5 years, it’s back to Isaiah, fire and trade everyone(I assume so we can go back to hitting the tank crack pipe) I sort of wonder when the demands for players to be removed or people to be fired when Kolek Dadiet and Hukporti don’t amount to much, because that’s more important and exciting than winning games.

We have a top 5 record in the league and fans hate it. People need to change that saying. You can’t try to win in NY.

There’s a massive difference between fans being annoyed about a lack of developing lotto players like Obi and being annoyed about role playing 2nd rounders not getting burn to spell a 7 man rotation early in the season. Nobody ever wanted Thibs fired because they expected Kolek, Huk, or Dadiet to be franchise players. That’s disingenuous to say the least.

Fans don’t hate the success.. everyone wants the team to win, but understand that this current team isn’t at that level. Whether that’s because the players aren’t a match for the coach (anti KAT fans) or because the coach isn’t a match for the players (anti Thibs fans), or we gave up all the assets to get to that next level (anti Mikal trade/bench sucks fans), there's some truth to all of it. I get all sides.

Saying fans just want to tank isn’t right either… at the end of the day fans are just starved for a savior. Most people feel we have two of them already in Jalen/KAT, others feel they don’t have what it takes, and I get that too.

What I don’t get is the fans who act like criticism of anything is wrong and your fan card should be pulled if you do. That’s nuts. That’s why we’re all here lol. To vent, celebrate, share ideas, hot takes etc. Everyone wants to win, but we all have different ideas or opinions on how to get there. It’s just that simple. There’s nothing wrong with that.

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