2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Having Minnesota as one of my KD trade destinations, as clearly Edwards adores KD and has near Lebron level influence over decisions there, I could see Minnesota giving us most anything we'd demand that they still actually have to give.

The problem though becomes their 2nd apron conditions like us, and having to match salaries dollar for dollar and also key players that have player options this coming summer in both Naz Reid and Julius Randle making a trade near impossible unless we wait and do this trade at next season's trade deadline.

Then theoretically, if we get below the 2nd apron far enough, we could do a package of Randle / Naz Reid/ Dillingham/ picks ( maybe their 32' 1st and a 2nd)?? Or something.

Or maybe McDaniels/ Reid/ DiVencenzo/ Shannon Jr/ Minott? Or Randle/ McDaniels? ( if we include a small 2-3 million salary by sggregagation if somehow far enough below the 2nd apron. But still, the simplest trade would be at the deadline for Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham and some package of picks.

Heck if we could get McDaniels and Reed and Divincenzo and leave Randle out I like that better. The only thing is if we let Randle's huge contract expire it helps us.

They only have 2 firsts possible. The 25 first from Detroit (protected 1-13)...it probably conveys but if not it would roll forward with less protection so would likely convey next year or the year after. Then they have traded the same picks we have so there only one they have is the 31 1st. So that's a ways off. But maybe we get that unprotected and deal it for 2 or 3 firsts. (Likely not as valuable as the Suns 31 1st since they have Ant).

The only problem again would be that any trade involving Reid or Randle would require them to pick up their player options and agree to a sign n trade. And can we even do that prior to free agency? Wouldn't we have to at least wait then until next season's trade deadline to do this deal?

Then if we're far enough under the 2nd apron (waive Martin and Micic) then we could take back a package of McDaniels/ Reid/ Divencenzo/ Shannon Jr/ Minott/ 32' 1st/ 29' 2nd? Personally, I'd kind of prefer just getting a Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham/ 32' 1st package as it'd be easier. And we could also flip Dillingham if we chose to for another 1st or maybe Randle as a huge expiring to a 2nd apron team for another player?

I don't know when they have to pick up their player option by, but when they do, I imagine they are tradeable. It wouldn't be a sign and trade. It's just like picking up an option for the last year of your contract. I imagine they pick it up before Free Agency though. It probably says on Spotrac..it's probably like June 20th or something.

[BobbieL]

Heck if we could get McDaniels and Reed and Divincenzo and leave Randle out I like that better. The only thing is if we let Randle's huge contract expire it helps us.

They only have 2 firsts possible. The 25 first from Detroit (protected 1-13)...it probably conveys but if not it would roll forward with less protection so would likely convey next year or the year after. Then they have traded the same picks we have so there only one they have is the 31 1st. So that's a ways off. But maybe we get that unprotected and deal it for 2 or 3 firsts. (Likely not as valuable as the Suns 31 1st since they have Ant).

The only problem again would be that any trade involving Reid or Randle would require them to pick up their player options and agree to a sign n trade. And can we even do that prior to free agency? Wouldn't we have to at least wait then until next season's trade deadline to do this deal?

I don't know when they have to pick up their player option by, but when they do, I imagine they are tradeable. It wouldn't be a sign and trade. It's just like picking up an option for the last year of your contract. I imagine they pick it up before Free Agency though. It probably says on Spotrac..it's probably like June 20th or something.
Then if we're far enough under the 2nd apron (waive Martin and Micic) then we could take back a package of McDaniels/ Reid/ Divencenzo/ Shannon Jr/ Minott/ 32' 1st/ 29' 2nd? Personally, I'd kind of prefer just getting a Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham/ 32' 1st package as it'd be easier. And we could also flip Dillingham if we chose to for another 1st or maybe Randle as a huge expiring to a 2nd apron team for another player?

It would be nice if the Durant trade helped get them under the second apron while getting decent assets to help start the rebuild. At which point the Booker trade can be used for the really good younger talent and draft picks to add to the start. Durant will only get you so much

[thamadkant]

Bol Bol has to start. He provides the stretch 5 rim protector Bud needs.

And as mentioned before I want Suns to bring Jalen Smith back and turn him to a poor man's Horford, an undersized Center Forward who shoots 3s and rim protects. Then a third big man who can enforce the paint... maybe Steven Adams.


Then trade Booker amd KD for picks and young athletic wings with potential.

Form a long athletic mobile team and let Beal cook offensively while the suns develop and rebuild.

Regardless of basic stats, Point Book is a detriment to winning. There I said it.

[BobbieL]

Bol Bol has to start. He provides the stretch 5 rim protector Bud needs.

And as mentioned before I want Suns to bring Jalen Smith back and turn him to a poor man's Horford, an undersized Center Forward who shoots 3s and rim protects. Then a third big man who can enforce the paint... maybe Steven Adams.


Then trade Booker amd KD for picks and young athletic wings with potential.

Form a long athletic mobile team and let Beal cook offensively while the suns develop and rebuild.

Regardless of basic stats, Point Book is a detriment to winning. There I said it.

Booker and Durant may not be the problem
But they are the solution. And that needs to be the reality
As somebody said, if you trade Durant but have Booker and Beal, what does that do? Nothing.
Booker will just be Damian Lillard in a couple years. The team will be spinning in that 7-12 spot with no future

Ishbia tried - it didn't work. Time to turn the page

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Are we just conceding the season now!
And giving the Rockets a top 5 lotto pick in the process too!

[thamadkant]

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Are we just conceding the season now!
And giving the Rockets a top 5 lotto pick in the process too!

The team doesn't have that player leader who inspire players to play with minir inconveniences. There is no motivation. Sure, those injuries could be legit painful, but I have my doubts. Players taking games off because they don't really care about winning nor making the playoffs. They say they do, but their action and demeanour says otherwise.

Suns need to reset and draft or trade for a young player with passion and someone who others will follow without contempt. I've never been on the all eggs in the Booker basket and I'm glad that way because I don't have any hesitation to trade him.

[Calvin Klein]

The tank is on.

Bol Bol season from now on.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

The tank is on.

Bol Bol season from now on.

The only thing is that the Rockets have our unprotected 25' first in this upcoming draft! So to add even greater insult to injury, the worse we finish (this season), the higher the lottery pick they get from us!! right now it's around the 12th pick and climbing. Arbuild is absolutely the right direction. But I still hate the idea of another team profiting off of our ownership's egregious ignorance! Even worse if they end up getting a top 5 lottery pick from our elite-level suckage!!!

The only way it makes any sense to go ahead and cash in the season, is if we have a trade lined up with Houston to get our 25' 1st and other picks back. And I'm just not sure Houston would even consider giving up the 25' 1st if it's projected this high???

[BobbieL]

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Are we just conceding the season now!
And giving the Rockets a top 5 lotto pick in the process too!

Maybe the Suns will get their pick back

Spent too damn much time thinking that Butler nonsense and not thinking of options with Durant

[Ghost of Kleine]

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All part of the Mavs ownership's (Dumont /Adelsons' plans to devalue the franchise in a leverage move to force legalization of gambling in Texas under the threat of moving the Mavs to Vegas if the amendment isn't passed in 26-27. Much easier to justify if the Mavs are struggling and not as profitable.

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The Dumont Adelsons' never acquired the Mavs for basketball reasons. They acquired the franchise for the location and as a leverage move to force the Texas legislature to amend their Texas constitution to legalize gambling in Texas so they can expand and builds casinos in the DFW and surrounding areas as an untapped monetary gambling resource. And the strategically chose Davis due to his extensive injury issues and age as well as taking an absurd lowball offer in order to suppress fan interest and competitive viability in a leverage move to force the legislature to amend their constitution to legalize gambling so they can proceed with their "Venetian Dallas Casino/Arena plans. Giving up Luka to the Lakers for pennies on the dollar was the payoff to have Silvr approve the Mavs moving to Vegas IF the Adelsons' don't get what they want. It's a leverage move to get approval or Dallas will lose their franchise. Sucks for Mavs fans!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[bigfoot]

I suspect Bol moves on if his mentor KD is traded. Suns hold Bol's early bird rights which means the best they can offer him $12.5M next season. If Bol plays a lot over the remainder of the season and performs well I could see him getting a decent contract from another team.

[lilfishi22]

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Honestly, having a productive Nurk who could stay on the floor made a massive difference for us on defense. The guy was the anchor to our defense last season and while he's no Gobert, he did help cover for a lot of mistakes. Nurk being unplayable on offense this year really hurt our defense.

[lilfishi22]

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Having Minnesota as one of my KD trade destinations, as clearly Edwards adores KD and has near Lebron level influence over decisions there, I could see Minnesota giving us most anything we'd demand that they still actually have to give.

The problem though becomes their 2nd apron conditions like us, and having to match salaries dollar for dollar and also key players that have player options this coming summer in both Naz Reid and Julius Randle making a trade near impossible unless we wait and do this trade at next season's trade deadline.

Then theoretically, if we get below the 2nd apron far enough, we could do a package of Randle / Naz Reid/ Dillingham/ picks ( maybe their 32' 1st and a 2nd)?? Or something.

Or maybe McDaniels/ Reid/ DiVencenzo/ Shannon Jr/ Minott? Or Randle/ McDaniels? ( if we include a small 2-3 million salary by sggregagation if somehow far enough below the 2nd apron. But still, the simplest trade would be at the deadline for Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham and some package of picks.

I don't understand the post where he says he would only trade Durant if he asks out.

Is the goal to win a title or not? I get there is some allegiance to players -but the goal is to win . This team is not winning. So why wouldn't you do what you can do to win

I see it with Chargers fans. They didn't want to move on from Keenan Allen and now Bosa and Mack. The goal is to win.

Period. You do what you have to do. And it also means trading Booker

KD is a 1st ballot HOF'er, one of the 20 greatest player of all time. But to this franchise, he's a visitor. The whole we wouldn't trade him unless he asks out is not a standard I would apply to him, only to Book

[lilfishi22]

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Bol needs this framed and hung on a wall for future generations to recognise his game

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Are we just conceding the season now!
And giving the Rockets a top 5 lotto pick in the process too!

I just can't get past "great toe"

Is that a medical term for the big toe??

[lilfishi22]

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Are we just conceding the season now!
And giving the Rockets a top 5 lotto pick in the process too!

Surely could be tactical but starting Bol and playing friggen TyTy Washington not insignificant minutes might be a sign of something