2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV
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Small sliver of hope for me that the Mavs plummet with AD hurt. Kyrie opts out, and he wants a S&T to play with KD in Phoenix. Beal's contract isn't as bad when it's only 2 seasons left. The Mavs would either accept or lose Kyrie for nothing (they probably choose the latter).
Otherwise... hit the reset button. We tried. We failed.
Otherwise... hit the reset button. We tried. We failed.
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lilfishi22 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Are we just conceding the season now!![]()
And giving the Rockets a top 5 lotto pick in the process too!
I just can't get past "great toe"
Is that a medical term for the big toe??
Are we inventing new term to make soft injuries sound significantly more serious than it really is? Like Paul George "5th finger" injury in Sixers injury report


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lilfishi22 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Are we just conceding the season now!![]()
And giving the Rockets a top 5 lotto pick in the process too!
I just can't get past "great toe"
Is that a medical term for the big toe??
metatarsophalangeal (MTP) joint sprain, or turf toe. But I've never heard it called great toe injury.


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Qwigglez wrote:Small sliver of hope for me that the Mavs plummet with AD hurt. Kyrie opts out, and he wants a S&T to play with KD in Phoenix. Beal's contract isn't as bad when it's only 2 seasons left. The Mavs would either accept or lose Kyrie for nothing (they probably choose the latter).
Otherwise... hit the reset button. We tried. We failed.
But still, Beal would have to agree to being traded to Dallas or anywhere for that matter right?

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Qwigglez wrote:Small sliver of hope for me that the Mavs plummet with AD hurt. Kyrie opts out, and he wants a S&T to play with KD in Phoenix. Beal's contract isn't as bad when it's only 2 seasons left. The Mavs would either accept or lose Kyrie for nothing (they probably choose the latter).
Otherwise... hit the reset button. We tried. We failed.
No-- no more of this Big 3 nonsense. Still would be a 2nd apron team
I would be okay with trading Durant to the Mavericks
Its time to pull the plug.... Irving, Booker and Durant wouldn't do it either
Call it... trade Book and Durant and move on
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I think one of the biggest reasons I want to blow it up as I don't like this team. Its hard to watch
The team you listed was fun to watch! That and they were a much better team. That team would kick this teams backside in a four game series by 15-20 points per game. Games wouldn't be close
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Give me a KD for D Brooks/ Smith Jr/ Landale/ Whitmore/ PHX 25' 1st/ PHX 27' 1st/ PHX 29' 1st for KD. IF that's too rich for Houston, take off Whitmore in exchange for our three firsts back in the deal.

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I don't want nor envision a full rebuild with Booker leaving the Suns but I also don't want another 2 years (with a KD extension) of whatever this iteration of the Suns is either. I fully expect to Suns to move on from KD this offseason so I'll be happy if we go in that direction.
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Not sure what else the Suns front office was really expecting from this experiment honestly! But I guess KD can audition for his new team tonight and sell them on his value towards our trade interests.


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lilfishi22 wrote:I don't want nor envision a full rebuild with Booker leaving the Suns but I also don't want another 2 years (with a KD extension) of whatever this iteration of the Suns is either. I fully expect to Suns to move on from KD this offseason so I'll be happy if we go in that direction.
But if keeping Booker and trying to remain as competitive as possible to maximize his remaining window, What type of KD trades would you look at? More picks-centric and young players packages, or more player-centric value-based packages with little to no emphasis on picks?


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Ghost of Kleine wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I don't want nor envision a full rebuild with Booker leaving the Suns but I also don't want another 2 years (with a KD extension) of whatever this iteration of the Suns is either. I fully expect to Suns to move on from KD this offseason so I'll be happy if we go in that direction.
But if keeping Booker and trying to remain as competitive as possible to maximize his remaining window, What type of KD trades would you look at? More picks-centric and young players packages, or more player-centric value-based packages with little to no emphasis on picks?
I would probably prioritise contracts that can help clean the books and draft capital. As long as we're at the 2nd apron, any opportunity to improve the roster will be greatly stifled. If there's a piece for the future in that package, that would be great too.
I'd love one of Amen or Jabari but I highly doubt we're getting either of them so it's probably FVV, Jock and draft picks if we're dealing with Houston. I'd take Brooks if we get a young player in return
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Not sure what else the Suns front office was really expecting from this experiment honestly! But I guess KD can audition for his new team tonight and sell them on his value towards our trade interests.
IT WAS UNKNOWABLE!!!!!
SHAZAM!
Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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lilfishi22 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I don't want nor envision a full rebuild with Booker leaving the Suns but I also don't want another 2 years (with a KD extension) of whatever this iteration of the Suns is either. I fully expect to Suns to move on from KD this offseason so I'll be happy if we go in that direction.
But if keeping Booker and trying to remain as competitive as possible to maximize his remaining window, What type of KD trades would you look at? More picks-centric and young players packages, or more player-centric value-based packages with little to no emphasis on picks?
I would probably prioritise contracts that can help clean the books and draft capital. As long as we're at the 2nd apron, any opportunity to improve the roster will be greatly stifled. If there's a piece for the future in that package, that would be great too.
I'd love one of Amen or Jabari but I highly doubt we're getting either of them so it's probably FVV, Jock and draft picks if we're dealing with Houston. I'd take Brooks if we get a young player in return
Wouldn't really mind Landale coming back in a trade. Not sure I'd really want Van Vleet, But IF we'd be getting back our 25' 1st and our 27 and 29 1st ( as long as it's those 3 1sts) then I'd accept it begrudgingly I suppose. But if it's not all three 1sts back, then they'd have to at the very least include one of Smith Jr or Whitmore and D Brooks alongside of Landale to fill the salary gap more.
Otherwise, as much as I'd want our picks back, I'd just pivot to trading KD to one of OKC or San Antonio for players/ Premium Dallas or Minnesota future 1st), Denver or Minnesota for ( player centric packages). But with Houston, I'd push hard to not take back Van Vleet in trade with them.


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Ghost of Kleine wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
But if keeping Booker and trying to remain as competitive as possible to maximize his remaining window, What type of KD trades would you look at? More picks-centric and young players packages, or more player-centric value-based packages with little to no emphasis on picks?
I would probably prioritise contracts that can help clean the books and draft capital. As long as we're at the 2nd apron, any opportunity to improve the roster will be greatly stifled. If there's a piece for the future in that package, that would be great too.
I'd love one of Amen or Jabari but I highly doubt we're getting either of them so it's probably FVV, Jock and draft picks if we're dealing with Houston. I'd take Brooks if we get a young player in return
Wouldn't really mind Landale coming back in a trade. Not sure I'd really want Van Vleet, But IF we'd be getting back our 25' 1st and our 27 and 29 1st ( as long as it's those 3 1sts) then I'd accept it begrudgingly I suppose. But if it's not all three 1sts back, then they'd have to at the very least include one of Smith Jr or Whitmore and D Brooks alongside of Landale to fill the salary gap more.
Otherwise, as much as I'd want our picks back, I'd just pivot to trading KD to one of OKC or San Antonio for players/ Premium Dallas or Minnesota future 1st), Denver or Minnesota for ( player centric packages). But with Houston, I'd push hard to not take back Van Vleet in trade with them.
FVV and Jock are both salary but I think they can both help this team. FVV last season was a 17/8 guy on decent efficiency. He's also quite a fair bit better defensively than Tyus despite both of them being on the shorter side. Jock is Jock.
FVV is also an expiring after next season and a massive one at that so that alone has value. We're probably not getting 3 1st from anyone for KD.
I'm also open to other teams but I'm going to be realistic with the potential return. I just don't think teams are looking to move 3st for KD at his age unless those 1sts are like those 3 we got from Utah.
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Not sure what else the Suns front office was really expecting from this experiment honestly! But I guess KD can audition for his new team tonight and sell them on his value towards our trade interests.
Lol that's exactly what I thought seeing he's having a good game.