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[Tor_Raps]

Anyone know why Masai wasn't there? This is a big enough moment where you'd want him there so just curious.

[johanliebert]

IQ Barnes and Ingram is going to be a good core. I see them having a lot of regular season success together.

The next big move will be dealing RJ to make space for Agbaji. Agbaji makes sense as the 5th starter. We need 3s and POA defense. He's been great at both and we should extend him.

Then it's the lottery pick. I am going to guess we draft either Fears or Queen. We're going to target skills instead of a long term project.

If we can deal RJ for an expiring C like Vucevic and a future pick it would be a winning trade. We need to accumulate picks to keep the roster affordable.

Poeltl / Vucevic / Chomche
Barnes / Mogbo
Ingram / Dick / Walter
Agbaji / Fears
IQ / Shead

Once Vucevic expires Chomche should be ready and we'll have space to re-sign Agbaji.

Get your MBA and join a FO. Some of you do not enjoy basketball you're really enamoured with running a team and future transactions.

[MEDIC]

Overall very good business for Masai and Bobby. Not just with BI trade and extension but the whole deadline. The BI trade is a definite A now, no question.

Adding BI and a top pick next year will be a huge influx of talent which is what this team needs.

Then we can keep growing and see what fits/doesnt. Rj? Etc

The east is shaky no reason why we cant be .500 or better next year if healthy.

Like the way this team is shaping up. I can see some similarities to the Lowry and Derozan Raptors and that was the best stretch of basketball we have ever had. I watch basketball for entertainment. I’m not sitting here for 5 years hoping my tean gets lucky in the lottery and eventually builds a team when I may not care to watch basketball anymore lol. Even worse I sit here for 5 years of sucking to end up with a fat, injured Embiid who’s now in his 30s on a terrible contract. Glad we have a smart GM who knows how to find a balance between the two.

The fit with Ingram is going to be fun to watch.

Great post. I just want to cheer for a playoff team for the next 8-10 years and see where the journey takes us. I ain't getting any younger.

I have a good feeling about BI. I think there is more to unlock in his game. It hasn't been a great situation in NO.

[ForeverTFC]

Anything to read into Masai not being there?

[GLF]

Masai was there he was just in the back. At the end of the day Masai is not the GM. He’s allowing Bobby to do the stuff GMs are supposed to

[Scase]

Because he got undercut in the air which something anyone would get injured by

He has missed I think it was 32% of all eligible games since his sophomore season. OG has never had any nagging injuries over the years, but is always missing time, he is injury prone, doesn't matter anymore what the injury is, BI has been injury ridden for 8 seasons in a row.

They have never mentioned the severity of his ankle injury, but safe to say it is a grade 3 sprain which is a 6-8 week recovery time for the average NBA player. He is halfway to week 10, and is rumoured to be a month out. Maybe that's due to tanking, maybe not, but he also missed 6 of his first 22 games this season.

He's an injury prone player, just accept it, we don't need to make excuses.

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You'd have to be a monster not to be.

You were talking about stats needing context in another thread, I think injuries and missed games should have some context as well. I haven’t seen anyone say he doesn’t need to be more durable overall but there are definitely cases where being durable wouldn’t have prevented an injury (like vs OKC). Bad luck is a thing.

Yeah, the context is that he is constantly injured. Bad luck is not 8 years straight, Dalek posted the breakdown earlier in the thread.

Some reddit person compiled this list which is also interesting re Ingram's injury history:

-Ankle: 52 games missed (27 and counting)

-Toe: 29 games missed

-Knee: 22 games missed

-Deep vein thrombosis (blood clot): 19 games missed

-Hamstring: 13 games missed

-Concussion: 10 games missed from two different concussions

He has a variety of joint issues probably due to him being so skinny. The recent ankle issue is concerning because even for a pretty severe ankle sprain he is beyond a two-month timeline and is still listed as having no timetable.

I would chalk up the blood clots to bad luck, and probably the concussions.

Nothing else is bad luck, he has had multiple ankle injuries, and the rest of the non "bad luck" ones are pretty standard. He isn't slipping on a patch of ice, these are all common in game injuries. What's next, you're going to tell me that AD isn't injury prone and it's all just bad luck?

[Tripod]

IQ Barnes and Ingram is going to be a good core. I see them having a lot of regular season success together.

The next big move will be dealing RJ to make space for Agbaji. Agbaji makes sense as the 5th starter. We need 3s and POA defense. He's been great at both and we should extend him.

Then it's the lottery pick. I am going to guess we draft either Fears or Queen. We're going to target skills instead of a long term project.

If we can deal RJ for an expiring C like Vucevic and a future pick it would be a winning trade. We need to accumulate picks to keep the roster affordable.

Poeltl / Vucevic / Chomche
Barnes / Mogbo
Ingram / Dick / Walter
Agbaji / Fears
IQ / Shead

Once Vucevic expires Chomche should be ready and we'll have space to re-sign Agbaji.

Poor Battle

It's funny, whenever someone posts our depth they almost always forget someone, myself included.

Nice to have that kind of depth again

[djsunyc]

we have alot of guys that can get a bucket now. how many times do we just get bogged down b/c we don't have offensive talent out there? look at how things get tougher for scottie with rj out. now you have him and BI and quick? that's alot of fire power.

everyone is shifted down a slot and things should be so much easier on the offensive end. this helps guys like ochai + jakobe + shead + gradey even more as they can concentrate on doing everything instead of being pressured to score. there's alot to be optimistic about going forward.

only thing i'm upset about is that this didn't happen much earlier in the season.

[Duffman100]

we have alot of guys that can get a bucket now. how many times do we just get bogged down b/c we don't have offensive talent out there? look at how things get tougher for scottie with rj out. now you have him and BI and quick? that's alot of fire power.

everyone is shifted down a slot and things should be so much easier on the offensive end. this helps guys like ochai + jakobe + shead + gradey even more as they can concentrate on doing everything instead of being pressured to score. there's alot to be optimistic about going forward.

only thing i'm upset about is that this didn't happen much earlier in the season.

4 of our starting 5 can drop 20 any given night. Poeltl once in a while.

That's not too bad. Hopefully they gel.

[djsunyc]

we have alot of guys that can get a bucket now. how many times do we just get bogged down b/c we don't have offensive talent out there? look at how things get tougher for scottie with rj out. now you have him and BI and quick? that's alot of fire power.

everyone is shifted down a slot and things should be so much easier on the offensive end. this helps guys like ochai + jakobe + shead + gradey even more as they can concentrate on doing everything instead of being pressured to score. there's alot to be optimistic about going forward.

only thing i'm upset about is that this didn't happen much earlier in the season.

4 of our starting 5 can drop 20 any given night. Poeltl once in a while.

That's not too bad. Hopefully they gel.

that's the big thing. chemistry.

there's really no reason a team spearheaded by kyle + demar + jonas was a consistenly 48+ win team and basically take off after one rudy gay trade but that's what chemistry does.

[Tha Cynic]

Ok cool, 8 games of playing well, definitely an accomplishment. You got me there I find amusement in the delusions and the insane hoops people jump through to justify mediocre moves. Like I'm not sitting here thinking BI is the worst player in the world, he's a good player, I think ultimately not a needle mover but whatever, that's my opinion. But suggesting that I'm being negative because I don't consider an 8 game sample size out of a 9 year career to be some proof positive that he's a "bonafide #1 option", is just beyond stupid.

You used the excuse that the second playoff series poor performance was because he was injured and didn't have Zion. Well, he's always injured, and didn't have Zion in the first series either. I'm not out here arguing with people who think the move was alright or even a bit good, I can respect that, but you holding up 8 games, which you conveniently moved up from 6 games, as some example of him being a true #1 option and acting like this is a coup is hilarious.

It was 8 games, get a grip.

You literally said in your initial post that he's accomplished nothing. So how exactly are you not being negative? Playoff games are always weighted higher than regular season performance (where he'd been productive) so obviously I pointed out when he played well as the #1 option. After the experience we had with DeMar, Lowry and even Pascal as the lead guy, you'd think there would be some optimism when we bring in a guy that fulfilled that role well.

Once again he was injured in last year's playoffs. The difference in 22 and least year with Zion is that he missed the entire year 2022 vs last year where he was the most healthy until the play-ins.

Just because you disagree, doesn't make it negative. He has zero career accolades aside from making an all star game 6 years ago. No all nba selections, no playoff series wins, no mvp votes, no nothing. His biggest accomplishment is MIP/AS 6 seasons ago, that's not anything to celebrate. He's been in the league for 9 years, and has missed a full third of his games in the last 8 years. DD and Lowry had 50 win teams to their name, DD had multiple AS selections, all NBA 2nd and 3rd team, Siakam had multiple AS selections and all NBA, and duh a championship. Ingram is no more a first option than DD or Siakam were, 6 playoff games don't change that, I will trust the 495 regular season games instead.

Just because it doesn't mesh your opinion, it doesn't make it negative, reality doesn't care about how you feel, it exists regardless.

All good man, he was the second overall pick from his draft, so logically, you should be happy

[PhilBlackson]

BI gonna feel like he got sent to the Knight’s Watch with the damn artic snow storm that just had to happen on the same day Smdh

[djsunyc]

lewenberg said darko told them they will not rush BI back and will evaluate him in 2 week intervals.

my guess is that the earliest we could see him is 1 month from now - which would be mid march. there would be around 17 games left in the schedule. with some strategic rest, it looks like around 10-12 games.

[Axe Dragon]

...and we haven't gotten to see BBQ play enough minutes yet to know how Ingram is going to fit.

It's not BBQ anymore. It's RIBS.

lol


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[mtcan]

You literally said in your initial post that he's accomplished nothing. So how exactly are you not being negative? Playoff games are always weighted higher than regular season performance (where he'd been productive) so obviously I pointed out when he played well as the #1 option. After the experience we had with DeMar, Lowry and even Pascal as the lead guy, you'd think there would be some optimism when we bring in a guy that fulfilled that role well.

Once again he was injured in last year's playoffs. The difference in 22 and least year with Zion is that he missed the entire year 2022 vs last year where he was the most healthy until the play-ins.

Just because you disagree, doesn't make it negative. He has zero career accolades aside from making an all star game 6 years ago. No all nba selections, no playoff series wins, no mvp votes, no nothing. His biggest accomplishment is MIP/AS 6 seasons ago, that's not anything to celebrate. He's been in the league for 9 years, and has missed a full third of his games in the last 8 years. DD and Lowry had 50 win teams to their name, DD had multiple AS selections, all NBA 2nd and 3rd team, Siakam had multiple AS selections and all NBA, and duh a championship. Ingram is no more a first option than DD or Siakam were, 6 playoff games don't change that, I will trust the 495 regular season games instead.

Just because it doesn't mesh your opinion, it doesn't make it negative, reality doesn't care about how you feel, it exists regardless.

All good man, he was the second overall pick from his draft, so logically, you should be happy

So a 2nd overall pick is only good when it's still just a pick and not the player.

Yes this is considered a strong draft but most of the guys in the top 10 will end up with careers similar to or worse than BI's so far...and then what? All the arguing and name-calling telling other people around here they aren't smart enough...etc...what is it all for?

So ya...maybe we end up with a top 4 pick and that if that guy ends like BI or RJ...and Scase starts **** on him too? All of that arguing and insults and the guy we take may not even be all that good?

Draft is a crapshoot. Don't depend on it solely as a means of team building. If we hit on a pick...great and if the pick turns out like BI or RJ...that's fine too. But to **** on guys because they aren't on the level of a Luka or Lebron...that's just dumb. Maybe we need to adjust the way we look at these players. They aren't generational talents but they are still good players. We need a dude like BI who can create his own shot and shoot from anywhere on the floor.

[Tor_Raps]

BI gonna feel like he got sent to the Knight’s Watch with the damn artic snow storm that just had to happen on the same day Smdh

Haha reminds me of when we had the allstar game in Toronto and it just happened to be one of the coldest weekends in Canada ever.

We've barely had snow the past several years and we get back to back snow storms as soon as Ingram arrives lol

[Scase]

Just because you disagree, doesn't make it negative. He has zero career accolades aside from making an all star game 6 years ago. No all nba selections, no playoff series wins, no mvp votes, no nothing. His biggest accomplishment is MIP/AS 6 seasons ago, that's not anything to celebrate. He's been in the league for 9 years, and has missed a full third of his games in the last 8 years. DD and Lowry had 50 win teams to their name, DD had multiple AS selections, all NBA 2nd and 3rd team, Siakam had multiple AS selections and all NBA, and duh a championship. Ingram is no more a first option than DD or Siakam were, 6 playoff games don't change that, I will trust the 495 regular season games instead.

Just because it doesn't mesh your opinion, it doesn't make it negative, reality doesn't care about how you feel, it exists regardless.

All good man, he was the second overall pick from his draft, so logically, you should be happy

So a 2nd overall pick is only good when it's still just a pick and not the player.

Yes this is considered a strong draft but most of the guys in the top 10 will end up with careers similar to or worse than BI's so far...and then what? All the arguing and name-calling telling other people around here they aren't smart enough...etc...what is it all for?

So ya...maybe we end up with a top 4 pick and that if that guy ends like BI or RJ...and Scase starts **** on him too? All of that arguing and insults and the guy we take may not even be all that good?

Draft is a crapshoot. Don't depend on it solely as a means of team building. If we hit on a pick...great and if the pick turns out like BI or RJ...that's fine too.

Man, you guys just like to repeat the same stupid crap over and over again eh?

If we drafted a guy who was putting up production like Ingram and he was healthy, I'd be happy with that. Just because Im not happy with a 27/28 year old who has been injured for 8 years doesnt mean I'm expecting a generational talent, a high end player that we have under contract control for 7-10 years is all I'm looking for. Give it a rest.

[right between the eyes]

BI gonna feel like he got sent to the Knight’s Watch with the damn artic snow storm that just had to happen on the same day Smdh

We always seem to have the best timing when it comes to weather and the raps lol I remember it was like -37c for the all Star game then as soon as the game was done it was plus 5c.

[PhilBlackson]

BI gonna feel like he got sent to the Knight’s Watch with the damn artic snow storm that just had to happen on the same day Smdh

We always seem to have the best timing when it comes to weather and the raps lol I remember it was like -37c for the all Star game then as soon as the game was done it was plus 5cm.

Fr lol I just said in the game thread but Mother Nature is a generational hater against us getting FAs lol

Somehow when it’s time to make an impression on new talent, Mother Nature says “hold my beer” and just unloads the most dogsh*t weather possible lol ffs

[mtcan]

All good man, he was the second overall pick from his draft, so logically, you should be happy

So a 2nd overall pick is only good when it's still just a pick and not the player.

Yes this is considered a strong draft but most of the guys in the top 10 will end up with careers similar to or worse than BI's so far...and then what? All the arguing and name-calling telling other people around here they aren't smart enough...etc...what is it all for?

So ya...maybe we end up with a top 4 pick and that if that guy ends like BI or RJ...and Scase starts **** on him too? All of that arguing and insults and the guy we take may not even be all that good?

Draft is a crapshoot. Don't depend on it solely as a means of team building. If we hit on a pick...great and if the pick turns out like BI or RJ...that's fine too.

Man, you guys just like to repeat the same stupid crap over and over again eh?

If we drafted a guy who was putting up production like Ingram and he was healthy, I'd be happy with that. Just because Im not happy with a 27/28 year old who has been injured for 8 years doesnt mean I'm expecting a generational talent, a high end player that we have under contract control for 7-10 years is all I'm looking for. Give it a rest.

But we literally have a guy like BI that kind of production...it's BI himself!! He'll be a consistent 20+ppg scorer...that's a given. Health-wise...we shall see. The Pelicans' sports science and medical staff are ****. The fact that there is an ESPN article that mentions that prior to 2023 the Pelicans had not physical therapist on staff...like WTF? Toronto has an industry leading medical and sports science team. I do hope that Alex McKecknie and company can work with BI to strengthen his body so that he's less injury prone going forward. This is a new start for him.

But you just aren't impressed by anyone unless they are undrafted highly scouted prospects that have never even touched an NBA floor or a generational talent that only a handful of teams have. No love for anyone currently on the team because they don't fit into the aforementioned categories.