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Re: Fox 

Post#21 » by OGSactownballer » Wed Feb 5, 2025 8:22 pm

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kevin44 wrote:Are you happy OxandFox with the Fox trade? Fox will be playing with the best player in the league for years winning multiple championships. The Kings will be back in the lottery.


No I'm not, on a number of different levels. I am going to switch the mode back to GM and not owner for this post, but I think we can see Vivek had his little paws all over this.
But let's open up a 10 point trade reaction.
#1 - Draft Capital. No decent draft picks. Hold the line for the Hawks '25 instead of the Charlotte 1st. You switch them and it's more palatable.
#2 - Buy High. You just went and traded for Zach Lavine at the highest point his trade value has been in forever, and most likely will ever be until he is expiring. Next up, Cam Johnson.
#3 - Address Needs. You didn't address any of the weaknesses this team has (this can be done over the next few days I understand so it's a little premature).
#4 - I'm Not The Worst. This wreaks of having a deal lined up, but the Kings were holding their nerve for better picks and then the Luka trade came along and they saw a ready made distraction to the the heat off them.
#5 - Bold Strategy. A team that has been healthy for the most part, but truly lacking depth is now hitching their wagon to a guy that is as injury prone a player the Kings have ever seen.
#6 - Paying The Freight. The Sacramento Kings paid the freight on Zach Lavine, not the Spurs. Another reason this is a brilliant trade for them (which makes me believe they knew Mr XYZ has given orders to Monte to get Lavine. If the Bulls wanted to just get off the Lavine money then the Kings should have been paid for doing so.
#7 - Reverse Big 3 Creator. You have now just allowed the Spurs, who if you're trying to stay competitive, is a direct competitor, an easy pathway to creating a big 3, which they will have done by this deadline or at the draft this coming off season. Great thinking.
#8 - Young Stud. At least get a young stud that can be the prize. Castle should have been leaving San Antonio (whether that was to the Kings or to someone else with value to the Kings), 100% guaranteed, otherwise Fox doesn't go there.
#9 - Keon Ellis. A Fox trade gave this franchise a great opportunity to progress forward with a great role playing SG that plays both ends and is a true difference maker. I'm still of the belief the Kings are holding this dude back deliberately.
#10 - Slow Down Dude, No Hurry. Worst case scenario, you hold off until the off season when everyone knows there would be more teams willing to not only nab Fox, but have better assets to give Sacramento.


To your point #9.

I fully believe that this is EXACTLY what is happening and I smell Vivek all over it to try to keep his deal cheap.

It’s stupid and self sacrificing for the guy who literally has the best +/- (+18) as a starter on the team. They claim to want to “win now”, yet don’t play the teams best players by metrics maximum minutes?

Idiocy.
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Re: Fox 

Post#22 » by OGSactownballer » Wed Feb 5, 2025 8:23 pm

OxAndFox wrote:And I will say this. I don't believe Wemby and Fox are that good of a duo together as Fox really isn't a good playmaker. Maybe they peg Fox as the #3 and will go get #2 guy?
BUT, Fox hasn't played with a big guy that can hit the 3 either, so let's wait and see. He may just go back to Fox attacking the rim, and if that happens, look out.


Domas worked on his shot so well that he is leading the league from three this year.

Fox didn’t change a bit.
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Post#23 » by City of Trees » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:42 pm

After reflecting on this trade for the past few days I’ve come to realize that losing Fox doesn’t sting nearly as much as losing Halliburton did.

Why? It should sting because Fox was supposed to be the head of the snake, he's an all star and all NBA player, yet I sit here unfazed he is gone. I'm more disgusted with how the Spurs gave up essentially nothing to get him. Lavine seems to fill the void Fox left behind. I didn't expect to feel this way. If the Spurs had coughed up one of the Hawks picks and our swap, I think I would be good with the trade.
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Re: Fox 

Post#24 » by OxAndFox » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:42 pm

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OxAndFox wrote:And I will say this. I don't believe Wemby and Fox are that good of a duo together as Fox really isn't a good playmaker. Maybe they peg Fox as the #3 and will go get #2 guy?
BUT, Fox hasn't played with a big guy that can hit the 3 either, so let's wait and see. He may just go back to Fox attacking the rim, and if that happens, look out.


Domas worked on his shot so well that he is leading the league from three this year.

Fox didn’t change a bit.


That's fair. But I'm thinking about volume too. It's still a relatively new thing for 5s to be shooting that many 3s though.
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Re: Fox 

Post#25 » by OGSactownballer » Thu Feb 6, 2025 11:47 pm

OxAndFox wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:And I will say this. I don't believe Wemby and Fox are that good of a duo together as Fox really isn't a good playmaker. Maybe they peg Fox as the #3 and will go get #2 guy?
BUT, Fox hasn't played with a big guy that can hit the 3 either, so let's wait and see. He may just go back to Fox attacking the rim, and if that happens, look out.


Domas worked on his shot so well that he is leading the league from three this year.

Fox didn’t change a bit.


That's fair. But I'm thinking about volume too. It's still a relatively new thing for 5s to be shooting that many 3s though.


Very true.

I see him passing up still on a number of very open shots still so it’s still a matter of simply having Doug encourage him to just let them fly the way he’s hitting them.

Honestly it would open up so much more for the others it’s ridiculous.
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Post#26 » by OxAndFox » Fri Feb 7, 2025 12:12 am

OGSactownballer wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:
Domas worked on his shot so well that he is leading the league from three this year.

Fox didn’t change a bit.


That's fair. But I'm thinking about volume too. It's still a relatively new thing for 5s to be shooting that many 3s though.


Very true.

I see him passing up still on a number of very open shots still so it’s still a matter of simply having Doug encourage him to just let them fly the way he’s hitting them.

Honestly it would open up so much more for the others it’s ridiculous.


Absolutely. He shouldn't be worried if the % comes down to around 35% on twice the attempts. That would put him at #10 in attempts for 5s and around an Al Horford.
And you're spot on about opening it up for others, to the point where keeping DDR makes sense.
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Post#27 » by wco81 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:22 am

Wemby is suppose to be the future, potential multiple MVP and DPOY player.

But Spurs may need a lot more than Fox joining that team. Unless something clicks in the last 30 games, they seem unlikely to break out and get at least in the play in.

Their shot selection is dubious. They should be giving it to Fox and hope that he regains the form from a couple of seasons ago when he was the most clutch player in the league.

They need another guy or two but it's also possible Castle shows big improvement in a couple of years.

Otherwise, for Fox personally, the Spurs may not be more competitive than the Kings through the next season, his last on his current contract. No doubt he will get a max or super max extension but if he forced his way to the Spurs because of Wemby, that may not pan out until Fox is almost 30.
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Re: Fox 

Post#28 » by OxAndFox » Thu Feb 13, 2025 7:41 am

wco81 wrote:Wemby is suppose to be the future, potential multiple MVP and DPOY player.

But Spurs may need a lot more than Fox joining that team. Unless something clicks in the last 30 games, they seem unlikely to break out and get at least in the play in.

Their shot selection is dubious. They should be giving it to Fox and hope that he regains the form from a couple of seasons ago when he was the most clutch player in the league.

They need another guy or two but it's also possible Castle shows big improvement in a couple of years.

Otherwise, for Fox personally, the Spurs may not be more competitive than the Kings through the next season, his last on his current contract. No doubt he will get a max or super max extension but if he forced his way to the Spurs because of Wemby, that may not pan out until Fox is almost 30.


Did you post this in the wrong forum? Think you meant this for the Spurs forum.
FWIW. Fox nailed the game winner with the ball on his finger tips. He's clutch AF. Would have put the Spurs to 3-1 with Fox and they would be, just as they are now, right in the mix. Spurs are the deepest team out of the Kings, Spurs, GSW & Suns. The latter 2 are old AF and are 1 injury away from collapsing. Kings are a turnover prone team that gives up open 3s like they also do lay ups. Not a good recipe, even though they should make the play in.

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