The Naz Reid Thread

[winforlose]

I asked Scoot over on the Trade Board, but barring me misunderstanding the CBA rules, extensions are limited to 140%, meaning that if Naz Reid picked up his Player-Option, the first year of his extension would be limited to $21,031,449.60. Following years would be subject to maximum 8% increases.

The extension would be $94,770,067.42 / 4 years
...or functionally $109,792,531.42 / 5 years ($21,958,506.28 per season)

Would Naz Reid accept $110 million over the next five years to stay in Minnesota? Next off-season is a bit funky with the amount of cap-space teams have (currently, only the Brooklyn Nets are projected to be operating with more than $25 million in cap-space), so maybe it is possible?

Another way to do it is a 2 year contract with a player option. The first year is whatever you can afford to pay him without consequences to team building. The 2nd year is a player option and functions as injury insurance for Naz. If he stays healthy he opts out and signs the bigger deal for 4 years. If Naz wants to help the team and is willing to trust that he will get his money on the 2nd deal this is how he can do both.

While it is possible, I don't know if it is worthwhile for Naz Reid to do that (also ignoring the Joe Smith consideration). When we get into nine-figure territory on contracts, it is a bit hard to see a player like Naz Reid take that kind of risk. I am also unsure how much Minnesota could realistically save if Naz Reid was willing to do that. Is it worth doing a $50MM/2 deal, instead of just signing him to a full-length contract (ex: $120MM/4)? Possibly, but I don't think that Naz is going to leave almost a hundred million dollars on the table, if he can get it.

Definitely worth consideration, but I would expect it to be between the extension (should the free-agency environment + him wanting to stay in Minnesota enable it) or Naz getting a full contract.

Another wrinkle is that the extension route would make it so Naz couldn't be traded for an entire year, so that could be attractive!

This is not my area so please correct me if I am wrong, but in a 2 year deal with a player option 2nd year, doesn’t Naz have a no trade clause built in? The same Garza would if he didn’t waive it? As for the short term vs long term argument, if we sign Naz to a 4 or 5 year deal could we back load it? Give him less next year but more the next 3-4 so that we can make moves below the tax and his salary scales up the most as the TV money is further along? Again not my area so honestly looking for win/win scenarios.

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EDITED: Sorry, my bad. Naz signed a three year deal, the last being a player option, which is eligible to be extended on the second anniversary of the signing, if he opts in.

(Where does the time go?)

[winforlose]

Naz signed a two year deal. You can only extend deals that are three years and longer, which is why extensions can only be made on the second anniversary of the contract being signed.

So we are talking about whether Naz opts in and we sign him to a new number this summer, or we wait until next summer. Waiting is doubly bad for Naz, because he’s underpaid next year, PLUS he doesn’t have injury insurance. Don’t expect him to opt in.

And for some that find this confusing, cap space and aprons do not affect re-signing your own free agents. Just have Bird rights.

I think if you go back a few posts the extension talk was assuming an opt in and then pay raise to compensate him for opting in. In other words if you wanted to pay Naz 4/100 instead he gets the extra year at 15 on the opt in, and then 3 years at 28.33 to get to that 100. The only way this happens if ownership promises to extend him immediately. Questionable within the rules and ethics of the NBA, but hardly unique.

As for the bird rights, the timing matters. For example, if you had room under the cap (not saying we do,) then you could sign someone with that room and then extend your player using bird rights. In this case, waiting to see what happens with Randle and negotiating with NAW makes some sense, but I would NOT do it. Naz is a priority for me, and I think the team needs to make him feel like a priority as well.

[shrink]

I think there's a possibility regarding Naz Reid that has not been discussed much. I think the player option throws it off, because people think that's the only thing built into the contract.

Naz is extension eligible in the summer. I wonder if he would consider opting in for his last year and then extending.

Just as an example, let's look at numbers....
Naz Reid: $15,000,000 / $30,000,000 / $30,000,000 / $30,000,000 / $30,000,000

Another team would have to offer at least $27M to match that.....actually, since I don't think other teams can offer 5-year deals (correct me if I'm wrong), that would be equal to a $33,750,000 AAV for another team. Remember, Isaiah Hartenstein got $29M AAV last summer, so I don't think this is out of line.

By pushing out the new money, it allows the Wolves a chance to get out of the Randle money. Conley will be off the books by then as well.

I have been discussing it for weeks. Of course I was talking about it assuming we couldn’t extend at that price point. I don’t know that we can double his current earnings in an extension, but that is more Shrink’s territory. Having Naz give us that cheap year with the promise of making it up to him on his next deal is the most logical approach if Naz wants to stay. How we handle Randle will play a big role in that.

I asked Scoot over on the Trade Board, but barring me misunderstanding the CBA rules, extensions are limited to 140%, meaning that if Naz Reid picked up his Player-Option, the first year of his extension would be limited to $21,031,449.60. Following years would be subject to maximum 8% increases.

The extension would be $94,770,067.42 / 4 years
...or functionally $109,792,531.42 / 5 years ($21,958,506.28 per season)

Would Naz Reid accept $110 million over the next five years to stay in Minnesota? Next off-season is a bit funky with the amount of cap-space teams have (currently, only the Brooklyn Nets are projected to be operating with more than $25 million in cap-space), so maybe it is possible?

Nicely done.

The 140% is new to this CBA - it used to be 120%. But I would imagine neither should be enough - I think he should be getting $25 minimum and closer to $30, particularly with the cap expected to rise the full 10% for the next few seasons with the new TV deal.

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I hope MIN can assemble a fast paced unit that can run in transition. In this case I think Naz Reid will be a difficult matchup for any defense.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

NAZ really struggling at shooting right now. 29% at 3 last 10 games.... still much better than Rob tough !

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Passing is IMO the biggest improvement area for Naz. I wish he was less erratic passer and more methodical.

[shrink]

Naz comes in fifth in “Sixth Man of the Year.”

Look who came in sixth!

[Klomp]

More than Randle, did Donte actually neuter Naz's effectiveness and consistency this year? Naz was used to coming in and being "the guy" for that second unit. But this year, he somewhat shared that role with Donte. I wonder if that affected him.

[Worm Guts]

More than Randle, did Donte actually neuter Naz's effectiveness and consistency this year? Naz was used to coming in and being "the guy" for that second unit. But this year, he somewhat shared that role with Donte. I wonder if that affected him.

Naz averaged more minutes and points than he did last year.

[minimus]

More than Randle, did Donte actually neuter Naz's effectiveness and consistency this year? Naz was used to coming in and being "the guy" for that second unit. But this year, he somewhat shared that role with Donte. I wonder if that affected him.

I have been thinking about it as well. I still remember Reid playing very well with McLaughlin and Nowell, because they have some chemistry. Unfortunately with DDV, they don't elevate each other. BUT, once MIN gets a quality pass first PG it might all change quickly

[Klomp]

More than Randle, did Donte actually neuter Naz's effectiveness and consistency this year? Naz was used to coming in and being "the guy" for that second unit. But this year, he somewhat shared that role with Donte. I wonder if that affected him.

Naz averaged more minutes and points than he did last year.

Correct, I guess I was speaking more to his consistency. His percentages dropped, and his per-minutes numbers were lower as well.

[BlacJacMac]

More than Randle, did Donte actually neuter Naz's effectiveness and consistency this year? Naz was used to coming in and being "the guy" for that second unit. But this year, he somewhat shared that role with Donte. I wonder if that affected him.

Naz averaged more minutes and points than he did last year.

Correct, I guess I was speaking more to his consistency. His percentages dropped, and his per-minutes numbers were lower as well.

I think his 3pt% from 23-24 was a bit of an outlier. It was over a 60 point increase over his best previous season. I think this year's 38% looks more in line with natural progression.

[coolcono]

After watching this season, I am comfortable with watch Naz walk as his rebounding is so terrible.

[moss_is_1]

After watching this season, I am comfortable with watch Naz walk as his rebounding is so terrible.

Depends on what his market is like for me. I think he is what he is essentially at this point, an elite bench player, decent spot-starter. He's really inconsistent so it's hard to rely on him nightly. A small raise for him is fine, up to about $22m is where I would really be reluctant.

If we look at contracts signed last off-season.

Malik Monk - 4-78m(19.4m AAV)
Hartenstein - 3-87(29m AAV) - though it was said OKC overpaid as they had the cap and he was such a good fit
Miles Bridges - 3-75(25mAAV)
Nic Claxton - 4-97(24.25MAAV)
KCP - 3-66(22mAAV)
Patrick Williams - 5-90(18mAAV)

I think Monk is the closest comp for sure, after he just finished 2nd to Naz in 6MOTY the prior season. Monks figure is about 12.8% of the cap for 24/25 so figure if Naz's is the same for this coming season that puts the starting figure at $19,145,298.6. Monk also got a PO for year 4. So if you figure that starting salary with the max raises its 4 years 85.7m, about 21.m per season.

[Slim Tubby]

After watching this season, I am comfortable with watch Naz walk as his rebounding is so terrible.

Stretch 4's can be so valuable in today's NBA but I agree, his rebounding and defensive deficiencies are impossible to ignore.

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[shrink]

After watching this season, I am comfortable with watch Naz walk as his rebounding is so terrible.

Stretch 4's can be so valuable in today's NBA but I agree, his rebounding and defensive deficiencies are impossible to ignore.

True, and it makes me wonder if you keep Naz, can you afford to move Gobert?

Rudy improves any player’s defensive numbers, but over the last few years, I heard that Naz has really learned to play with Gobert. Rudy also averaged 10.9 RPG in 33.2 mpg (7th in the NBA), while Naz averaged only 6.0 RPG in 27.5 mpg.

[Slim Tubby]

After watching this season, I am comfortable with watch Naz walk as his rebounding is so terrible.

Stretch 4's can be so valuable in today's NBA but I agree, his rebounding and defensive deficiencies are impossible to ignore.

True, and it makes me wonder if you keep Naz, can you afford to move Gobert?

Rudy improves any player’s defensive numbers, but over the last few years, I heard that Naz has really learned to play with Gobert. Rudy also averaged 10.9 RPG in 33.2 mpg (7th in the NBA), while Naz averaged only 6.0 RPG in 27.5 mpg.

Good question. You already do this but when a person understands that Gobert and Reid are not interchangeable players on the court, it makes it easier to address their true value.

The crazy thing to me is that if someone told me that Gobert, Naz and Randle will all be on different teams next season, it wouldn't even surprise me at this point. Much to do for Mr. Connelly.

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I heard Doogie say this last week, but I think he’s overshooting

“On Naz, on Julius. I still think Naz is here. They know they need to pay him north of $30 million a year. I see Naz re-signing with the Wolves — exercising the player option, so opting out, hitting the open market, then the Wolves re-sign Naz Reid.”

He added Brooklyn is interested and would pay that much with their cap space, so we’d have to pay this much to outbid.

I just can’t see a number this high.