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Jeff Van Gully wrote:Gravy wrote:A 9-2 record heading into the break is really good. We also did not have OG for 5 of those games.
That was an ugly win, but every team has ugly wins and bad losses we just don't follow those other teams every single night.
10-2 actually.
Jalen Bluntson wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:HEZI wrote:This team reminds me of the early 2000s Mavs. Good team, fun and entertaining but just not good enough to beat the other elite teams in the league. Similar to Nash and Dirk, Brunson and KAT are just way too poor defensively to win a chip together. Good offensive team and we can definitely score
Who do the Knicks trade, Brunson or KAT?
The Knicks need depth. The Knicks need a plan that doesn't involve playing starters 40mpg for 82 games. The starting 5 is as good as any in the league. It is the game plan that doesn't work most of the time in losses. No team wins every game. Most of our losses fall at the feet of the HC.
We almost lost last night to a team(26-28) that played their bench for 80+ minutes and we played ours for around 42. It's the same old song and dance with Thibs. The talent is there right now. The game plan is the problem. It's not that hard to see what our flaws are. We are still a top team in the league. Something has to give. Saying we can't win with Brunson and KAT is a weak take IMO. TWO All Stars and two good to great defenders with a great glue guy is a great recipe for success. Running them into the ground is a recipe for disaster.
HEZI wrote:robillionaire wrote:HEZI wrote:
The pass by KAT was bad, Mikal being light and easy to move out the way also played a role why Daniels got around him so fast. KAT not boxing out also was bad. Nothing to do with coaching
But the worst play was the stupid foul by Hart. That play actually cost us 2 points. Fouling Trae there was just stupid
On the other hand with Trae being hot if he didn’t foul him maybe we are discussing a 1 point loss in regulation, which leads to the next stupid thing, why with the game tied do they go for a Brunson fadeaway 3 pointer? Was it drawn up that way? We inbounded the ball to him in midrange and he ran out to the 3 point line. Why? Drive. Maybe you get a foul. Maybe you have time to dish it. You don’t need a 3
Brunson doesn’t have the quickness to beat a guy off the dribble so there wasn’t enough time on the clock for him to use the multiple dribble combinations he needs to drive to the basket. He was probably also looking to avoid traffic in the lane.
mpharris36 wrote:blaming Hart for that foul is wild. It was a scramble to find everyone after we got beat to the offensive rebound there was only a few seconds left...if Hart doesn't foul him the angle Trae would have gotten around him and gotten a clean look for the win.
Everyone was scrambling and he had to get in his way.
Asking your center to take the ball out when you have 2 timeouts under your own basket caused this. I mean there are really people disagreeing with that? Pro thibs or not. Every coach calls a timeout there.
Thibs even admitted he made a mistake in the postgame and people are now disagreeing with thibs own words to protect him? Wild!
thebuzzardman wrote:mpharris36 wrote:blaming Hart for that foul is wild. It was a scramble to find everyone after we got beat to the offensive rebound there was only a few seconds left...if Hart doesn't foul him the angle Trae would have gotten around him and gotten a clean look for the win.
Everyone was scrambling and he had to get in his way.
Asking your center to take the ball out when you have 2 timeouts under your own basket caused this. I mean there are really people disagreeing with that? Pro thibs or not. Every coach calls a timeout there.
Thibs even admitted he made a mistake in the postgame and people are now disagreeing with thibs own words to protect him? Wild!
The Thibs hive has no shame
mpharris36 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:mpharris36 wrote:blaming Hart for that foul is wild. It was a scramble to find everyone after we got beat to the offensive rebound there was only a few seconds left...if Hart doesn't foul him the angle Trae would have gotten around him and gotten a clean look for the win.
Everyone was scrambling and he had to get in his way.
Asking your center to take the ball out when you have 2 timeouts under your own basket caused this. I mean there are really people disagreeing with that? Pro thibs or not. Every coach calls a timeout there.
Thibs even admitted he made a mistake in the postgame and people are now disagreeing with thibs own words to protect him? Wild!
The Thibs hive has no shame
Thibs in the postgame - I should have been more demonstrative and asked for a timeout
Thibs fans - No thibs you don't make mistakes...ever
I feel like its a bit at this point...
He has creative moves to stop your best player and best play. He demands his players talk it up on defense. And to boot, he’s always adding defensive wrinkles for the next meeting.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
thebuzzardman wrote:mpharris36 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
The Thibs hive has no shame
Thibs in the postgame - I should have been more demonstrative and asked for a timeout
Thibs fans - No thibs you don't make mistakes...ever
I feel like its a bit at this point...
Wait, everything on here isn't?!?!
I think you can sift through some of it to actually find some good basketball convo. . So for the most part its just emotional ranting. Kampuchea wrote:Did Thibs royally mess up on his way to another win? He keeps winning but is also so terrible. If he wins a championship with this clown coaching and crazy starters minutes I am done with this team.
robillionaire wrote:We still play Cleveland and Boston 5 more times and if we get everyone back I’m not scared of either team and looking forward to flipping the script
robillionaire wrote:HEZI wrote:robillionaire wrote:
On the other hand with Trae being hot if he didn’t foul him maybe we are discussing a 1 point loss in regulation, which leads to the next stupid thing, why with the game tied do they go for a Brunson fadeaway 3 pointer? Was it drawn up that way? We inbounded the ball to him in midrange and he ran out to the 3 point line. Why? Drive. Maybe you get a foul. Maybe you have time to dish it. You don’t need a 3
Brunson doesn’t have the quickness to beat a guy off the dribble so there wasn’t enough time on the clock for him to use the multiple dribble combinations he needs to drive to the basket. He was probably also looking to avoid traffic in the lane.
Maybe should have let towns drive then. But Brunson has made so many clutch buckets it’s hard to ever go away from that
thebuzzardman wrote:mpharris36 wrote:blaming Hart for that foul is wild. It was a scramble to find everyone after we got beat to the offensive rebound there was only a few seconds left...if Hart doesn't foul him the angle Trae would have gotten around him and gotten a clean look for the win.
Everyone was scrambling and he had to get in his way.
Asking your center to take the ball out when you have 2 timeouts under your own basket caused this. I mean there are really people disagreeing with that? Pro thibs or not. Every coach calls a timeout there.
Thibs even admitted he made a mistake in the postgame and people are now disagreeing with thibs own words to protect him? Wild!
The Thibs hive has no shame
mpharris36 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:mpharris36 wrote:blaming Hart for that foul is wild. It was a scramble to find everyone after we got beat to the offensive rebound there was only a few seconds left...if Hart doesn't foul him the angle Trae would have gotten around him and gotten a clean look for the win.
Everyone was scrambling and he had to get in his way.
Asking your center to take the ball out when you have 2 timeouts under your own basket caused this. I mean there are really people disagreeing with that? Pro thibs or not. Every coach calls a timeout there.
Thibs even admitted he made a mistake in the postgame and people are now disagreeing with thibs own words to protect him? Wild!
The Thibs hive has no shame
Thibs in the postgame - I should have been more demonstrative and asked for a timeout
Thibs fans - No thibs you don't make mistakes...ever
I feel like its a bit at this point...
thebuzzardman wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
Who do the Knicks trade, Brunson or KAT?
The Knicks need depth. The Knicks need a plan that doesn't involve playing starters 40mpg for 82 games. The starting 5 is as good as any in the league. It is the game plan that doesn't work most of the time in losses. No team wins every game. Most of our losses fall at the feet of the HC.
We almost lost last night to a team(26-28) that played their bench for 80+ minutes and we played ours for around 42. It's the same old song and dance with Thibs. The talent is there right now. The game plan is the problem. It's not that hard to see what our flaws are. We are still a top team in the league. Something has to give. Saying we can't win with Brunson and KAT is a weak take IMO. TWO All Stars and two good to great defenders with a great glue guy is a great recipe for success. Running them into the ground is a recipe for disaster.
Brunson or KAT could get the Knicks some depth
mpharris36 wrote:robillionaire wrote:We still play Cleveland and Boston 5 more times and if we get everyone back I’m not scared of either team and looking forward to flipping the script
CLE I think we can beat especially with Mitch back.
BOS is just a really tough matchup for us. They have really good perimeter defense and they shoot so many 3's which is our weakness on DEF.
We would have to have an entire new gameplan to stop them.
