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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescending Potentially Being Challenged Pg.24 

Post#1401 » by HornetJail » Thu Feb 13, 2025 3:45 pm

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KembaWalker wrote:I mean there’s a reason the Lakers have shut up about this and aren’t contesting anything themselves. They’re trying to ignore whatever BS they pulled and get everyone to forget about it


While signing Alex Len who AMAZINGLY offered to change his commitment from the Pacers once their snake GM renounced the trade.


Alex Len is ass, I don’t know why he is supposed to be an amazing get that would change the lakers perspective on getting Mark Williams.

Knecht said he’s ready to move on and play, which he did today. Has Mark suited up or reported back to Hornets yet? The reporting surrounding this is suspiciously lacking.

Reporting around the Hornets is lacking in general... we really have no idea what's going on with Mark right now unfortunately.
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Post#1402 » by Walt Cronkite » Thu Feb 13, 2025 5:07 pm

Something I've been thinking about as this drama has developed over the past week: what if the Hornets had another deal in place for Mark, especially another WC team. Like Mark to Memphis for Kennard and picks or to Denver for Braun and picks, (idk, you guys can figure out the fake trade, it's hypothetical). Lakers don't want Mark to go to a rival and he also fills a need, so they offer the package that Peterson accepted. Pelinka thinks he's committed another brilliant piece of GMing and made his new acquisition happy and the cost was future picks that he expects don't matter (because obviously Lakers will be good) and gave up a guy that maybe doesn't fit in.

Hornets FO, who was pretty high on Knecht, decides this is the best offer and commits to it. Pelinka gets backlash from his own FO about the trade and the media calls it a win for Charlotte and he starts having regrets. Mark comes in, gets the physical and lets say in the imaging the doctor points to some potential cartilage wearing in his foot or wrist or wherever. Not a definite concern for his long term health, but maybe it could limit his career longevity by a year or two. Pelinka, who has already annoyed LeBron by using his final assets to acquire Mark without consulting him, decides there is no reason NOT to rescind the trade. Lakers have to finish out the year without Mark, but their rivals don't have him either, so they're in a better situation anyway.

The only reason Pelinka really had to NOT let the trade go through is reputational damage, so they leak to the media that Charlotte has failed a condition of the trade, which satisfies his fanbase and everyone will buy because the Hornets are the Hornets. I can totally see where our FO would be pissed in a situation like this. Reading Lakers fans responses to their team backing out of the trade has been really frustrating as a Hornets fan because there is this illogical argument of "why would we cancel the trade unless there are problems with Mark when we desperately need a center?" Well, because he served his purpose. You tarnished his value which hurts the Hornets while also keeping him from a rival, increasing your odds in a must win season. They were in a win-win situation to make the deal when they did with the ability to cancel out of it because who is more likely to be cast in the light of ineptitude, the Lakers or the Hornets?

I don't think the league will push the trade through, I don't think the league CAN push the trade through. The Hornets absolutely have had to challenge this, because otherwise maybe it doesn't actually get addressed at the next Governor's meeting. I expect this to be a battle of lawyers for a bit and that's good. Maybe it's petty, good. If the Hornets aren't in the wrong, this is the only thing they can do. Make a big stink by challenging this.
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Post#1403 » by Bassman » Thu Feb 13, 2025 5:52 pm

Bravo Walt :clap:
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Post#1404 » by luciano-davidwesley » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:02 pm

Some deluded Lakers fans think we might piss Mark off so much that he'll refuse to ever play for us again and so we'll buy him out (because reasons) and they'll sign him once he clears waivers. :lol:

You could not make this up if you tried! Talk about main character syndrome.
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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescending Potentially Being Challenged Pg.24 

Post#1405 » by fatlever » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:18 pm

They were talking about the possibility of a buyout today on the podcast. Locked on. I don't think there's any chance that the Hornets are just going to buy mark out as some kind of favor to him and his agent for this thing going south. They're going to try to recoup as much value as they can from this disaster. I have no idea if Mark will ever play for this franchise again, but I can't see any way we're buying him out. That makes absolutely no sense.

I wish we had some type of news on the mark side of things. wish we could hear from him or his agent on this. I'd love to know if he's going to come back and fight for his starting job and prove he's healthy and worth a huge contract. Or is he going to sulk and Sit out the rest of the season and force a trade in the summer
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Post#1406 » by SWedd523 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:19 pm

**** 100% of a buyout
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Post#1407 » by HornetJail » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:28 pm

yeah that's completely insane to even speculate about.

At worst, he holds out this season, and things are just awkward till an offseason trade. More likely scenario is a post - failed CP3 trade where things are just awkward with Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol, one got an offseason trade, and the other played another season at about 80% of his full abilities.
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Post#1408 » by EmpireFalls » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:33 pm

I never had much of a reason to think about Lakers fans much before this saga but they are absolutely looney tunes. Feel for them because of the fires but holy ****.
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Post#1409 » by Braggins » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:35 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:I never had much of a reason to think about Lakers fans much before this saga but they are absolutely looney tunes. Feel for them because of the fires but holy ****.

I kind of understand how Lakers fans get this way. If a few weeks ago they were saying that Dallas was going to initiate a trade to gift them Luka Doncic everyone would have laughed them off as delusional Lakers fans, but here we are lol.
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Post#1410 » by KembaWalker » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:42 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:I never had much of a reason to think about Lakers fans much before this saga but they are absolutely looney tunes. Feel for them because of the fires but holy ****.


the dumb ones you see posting stuff like that are the ones that are filling up places like Spectrum Center not in LA suffering from fires so dont feel too bad for them
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Post#1411 » by HornetJail » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:43 pm

lakers fans are spoiled rotten lol. i remember years ago someone tried on GB to give Lakers fans a reality check... something to the effect of "teams aren't just going to magically trade you Dwight Howard and Steve Nash when things start to go south"... sure enough, that offseason, they traded Bynum for Howard and a pick for Nash.

That experiment obv didn't go the way they hoped, but still any time things start to take a downturn for them, you get stuff like the Pau Gasol trade, LeBron signing with them bailing out a failed rebuild, and this Luka trade. they're really not used to anything less than 95% of things going their way
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Post#1412 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:06 pm

This franchise is a joke. Nobody wants to play here.
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Post#1413 » by Braggins » Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:50 pm

I'm starting to get the feeling that they are willing to drag this out because Mark has told them he doesn't want to play for them anymore. I have a bad feeling this isn't going to end well and they might have to end up selling Mark for significantly less than hes worth in the offseason.

I'm in the camp that thinks they never should have made this trade in the first place, so if it ends up backfiring I'm not going to have any sympathy for the front office even though ultimately it looks like the Lakers may have screwed them.
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Post#1414 » by Rays Pompadour » Fri Feb 14, 2025 12:24 am

Yeah, I’m less sympathetic if Mark Williams is that skin-thinned. If he’s pissed at anyone, it should be the Lakers. He was going to a playoff team with championship aspirations. And the Lakers broke up with him before even the first kiss. That has to sting a little, right?
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Post#1415 » by yosemiteben » Fri Feb 14, 2025 12:44 am

Braggins wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that they are willing to drag this out because Mark has told them he doesn't want to play for them anymore. I have a bad feeling this isn't going to end well and they might have to end up selling Mark for significantly less than hes worth in the offseason.

I'm in the camp that thinks they never should have made this trade in the first place, so if it ends up backfiring I'm not going to have any sympathy for the front office even though ultimately it looks like the Lakers may have screwed them.

If he's pissy with us because he couldn't pass a physical, or because LAL randomly decided they didn't want him for another reason, I'm not going to have any sympathy for him.

The FO got good value, it wasn't wrong of them to trade him. If he can't accept that, then honestly he just needs to grow up. Guys constantly are in trade talks, doesn't give them the right to quit.
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Post#1416 » by JustBuzzin » Fri Feb 14, 2025 1:11 am

This trade never made sense especially if we viewed him as a core piece. No disrespect to Knecht, but he's not a core piece. He's more of a bench piece you bring off the bench as a 6th man. Adding a 1st you would think they would want more for a 23yr old center just coming into his own.

We made our bed now lay in it and deal with whatever comes with it. If anyone is wrong it is the Hornets for selling low. Those are red flags nobody wants to discuss on our side. Take the homer glasses off and be real.

If they thought Mark was fully healthy long-term no chance they would even take this deal point blank.
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Post#1417 » by yosemiteben » Fri Feb 14, 2025 1:49 am

I don't know what homer glasses have to do with anything. Literally doesn't matter at all what the value was or whether you like the trade. Players don't get to quit because a team tried to trade them. Not sure what is controversial about that.
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Post#1418 » by KembaWalker » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:03 am

I’m not gonna panic on this until there’s an update on the challenge. I don’t expect Mark to touch the floor till everything is 100% certified.

I expect him to play eventually but I’m not gonna dehumanize him and expect him to not be pretty pissed off whether it’s our fault or not
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Post#1419 » by GoBobs » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:45 am

I don't care that much about some pick 7 years from now. Mark is a meh player. If he came out and started dominating I would be sad about losing him.

The best thing about this whole deal is that we won't be using a lot of our cap to extend Mark. The problem isn't his health. The problem is you can't have your center getting punked by the other team's big every night.
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Post#1420 » by SWedd523 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:01 am

KembaWalker wrote:I’m not gonna panic on this until there’s an update on the challenge. I don’t expect Mark to touch the floor till everything is 100% certified.

I expect him to play eventually but I’m not gonna dehumanize him and expect him to not be pretty pissed off whether it’s our fault or not

As with anything Mark related, "the situation will be revaluated in two weeks and we will get updates as needed"
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