PG Minny - Great Win!

[rilamann]

I think people find mindless repetitive comments that add nothing to the conversation to be annoying.

I value people's opinions, even though as fans we are frequently off base. Those opinions are interesting to me. But when someone makes themselves the essence of their post time and time again, it becomes a pain. Like litter on the sidewalk. Feeling compelled to remind everyone how "right" you are just underscores your inability to be convincing. "Oh, I didn't get it the first 23 times you said it, but the 24th time - I get your point!" Repeating yourself at every available opportunity does not add gravitas. It becomes not about the point you are trying to make, but rather the repetition that holds no value for anyone.

People aren't annoyed by your opinion. Or mine. Which is why most people don't react to any given opinion. People are annoyed by the repetition. Repetition does not convince or validate. It just annoys.

Must be me or I am just too old to care. Just to easy scroll past after glancing at it. Plus telling him that it's getting old is not going change him. Maybe he gets a kick out of pushing peoples buttons.

It is not my intention to push people's buttons when I post.

I am genuinely surprised when some of my opinions & comments elicit the level of Must be exhausting being you and Did - Insert player name - kick your dog? type of responses.

Some people just don't like some of my opinions off the top, those people then get upset when there ends up being truth in those opinions in which they did not like. Their ad hominen responses tell all.

I think that if I was simply just saying repetitive things that had no truth to them, you would not see these type of responses and to this level.

There are people who don't like that I am critical of Dame. So then last night when the Bucks have one of their more quality and fun wins of the season with Dame in street clothes, ol rila came along in the post-game thread and said.

This team is fun without Dame

That was all I said that set things off. And to be fair, it's hard to gauge intent or tone on an internet message board. But my comment was kind of a wink wink tongue in cheek sort of thing. I was not actually trying to push anyone's buttons or get people legitimately upset. I didn't think that the comment would.

Plus earlier in the day yesterday I had said that Dame would never miss the all star game. Dame is the type of guy who would sit out actual games to be fresh for all star weekend .

Then later in the day after I made that comment, the news came down that Dame was not suiting up for the Wolves game. Dame, would however be ready to go for all star weekend.

So in hindsight, I had already pushed the buttons, even thought was not my intent.

I honestly thought my post would be - Like you said - a glance and scroll post. I guess I was wrong.

[msiris]

.222 3%
.680 FT%
.516 TS%

Kuzma so far. I like his athleticism and rebounding, but we are going to need better efficiecny by a good amount across the board for him to be a playoff net+ player. I feel like most of his shots so far have been very odd/off-balance, and he's shooting like Giannis from the line. Hoping it improves as he gets more acclimated.

This is more about shot selection. Dame does the same thing and it drives me nuts. Play smarter.

[bbbarnett47]

I see a lot of talk in here about Kuzma's bad shot selection but I really disagree. Has he taken bad shots? Yes. Did a majority of those shots happen because he was thrown the ball with 5 on the shot clock? Also yes.

I think the thing thats stuck out to me most is that he is actually a good/smart basketball player and I think that will grow even further with time. He rebounds, he passes, makes the correct reads most of the time, solid defender, and a lot bigger than I thought.

He's been in the league long enough and I think he's matured since the early days with the Lakers and the chucking that, honestly had to happen with the Wizards.

I won't lie - I wasn't thrilled to watch him play basketball when the trade was announced but if this is what we got in the replacement of Khris, we can definitely work with it and I have much more hope than I did initially. Excited to see what the full squad can do post ASG break.

He has the potential to carve out a Boris Diaw type role if he plays to his strengths and limits bad shots.

I should also mention: he made a comment in the PG presser about dame and Giannis being the main guys. It was subtle but very telling where his head is at and I think that is a good thing for us and for him.

[msiris]

Must be me or I am just too old to care. Just to easy scroll past after glancing at it. Plus telling him that it's getting old is not going change him. Maybe he gets a kick out of pushing peoples buttons.

I agree with you. Some posts are just like spam. You don't even have to read them, you just move on.

For me, this is not an argument or a debate. Just me presenting my inconsequential opinion on pattern posting that I find to be pointless and annoying. I don't think anyone comes here to find out which posters are "right" with their NBA takes and predictions. I see no value in chest-thumping posts congratulating one's self for being proved "right".

Every so often I succumb to the internet fueled plague that convinces so many people that every topic warrants their strongly stated opinion, regardless of their knowledge or insight. I hope and expect that it will not become a habit.

Cheers!

the board would be dead if everybody made posts as if it was their one shot at inspired scripture on a topic. most people come here to pass the time. real life debates on barstools that goes round and round mimic what happens here i think. makes for an active forum imo.

i for one enjoy some of the mundane back and forth even if its of a repetitive nature. gives me something to scroll in my downtime. and if a debate continues to rage for days then why not add back in with your same stuff said 10 different ways. if youre getting and1s and responses is not THAT the purpose of the forum?

If life is all about getting and 1s then they should see someone. Lol. It is a great tool to help you keep track of who is replying. I suggested to MD awhile ago that they should have a thumbs down button if people don't agree with you. Like a minus 1. Lol

[BucksFanSD]

I wouldn't call Kuzma a glass-eater, but both him and KPJ noticeably rebound out of their immediate area. Startling to see after being accustomed to Brook - and tbf Giannis - largely getting what lands in their vicinity.

They have speed to get to spots. We're just not used to seeing it because most of our guys don't have that speed.

Rollins and Sims as well.

We've been waiting for youth/quickness/athleticism and kudos to the Bucks management for addressing it.

[skbucks1985]

We’re going on 12 pages PG thread. Perhaps more than beating OKC for the cup.

Just one reminder. Minnesota is a really flawed team. The win last night was great, but going to be a new world when we take on the Clippers a week from today.

I get what you're saying but that team over an 82 game season would probably win 15 games. And so to win against a flawed, but still pretty good, team is impressive given who they had playing. Plus it would be one thing if AJ and Trent had gone a combined 12-15 that on some level you can just dismiss the result as those 2 just going nuclear. But I'd say Trent going 5-7 on 2-pt attempts is the only really anomalous occurrence from any player.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think anyone's gonna disagree that Kuz needs to shoot better than 22% from distance. Not really worrying too much though, as he's already taking the lowest 3PT attempt rate of his career (.346) through these first 4-games, and he's been a 33-36% on high volume guy each of the last 4-seasons.

He does seem to understand what his role dictates right now with Giannis out, and I do think we sometimes get too focused on TS% and overall scoring efficiency when it comes to how effective you can be as an offensive player. Him creating and getting to the line 5-6 times a game is not something that I saw in his toolbox, and that's something that can make up for not hitting shots.

[BucksFanSD]

.222 3%
.680 FT%
.516 TS%

Kuzma so far. I like his athleticism and rebounding, but we are going to need better efficiecny by a good amount across the board for him to be a playoff net+ player. I feel like most of his shots so far have been very odd/off-balance, and he's shooting like Giannis from the line. Hoping it improves as he gets more acclimated.

This is more about shot selection. Dame does the same thing and it drives me nuts. Play smarter.

When I'm watching I think, "what will his shot selection look like with Dame and Giannis both on the floor?". That is ultimately what matters.

[machu46]

.222 3%
.680 FT%
.516 TS%

Kuzma so far. I like his athleticism and rebounding, but we are going to need better efficiecny by a good amount across the board for him to be a playoff net+ player. I feel like most of his shots so far have been very odd/off-balance, and he's shooting like Giannis from the line. Hoping it improves as he gets more acclimated.

I suspect most of the shooting numbers will improve, though I will point out there's not a super huge difference between his 68% from the FT line and his usual 72-73%. It is what it is; if he keeps it in that ballpark, it's still efficient offense.

Think I saw he's shooting around 20-25% from outside of 5 feet so far with us. He's never been particularly efficient but he's still around 10-15% lower than his usual across the board (outside of the finishing at the rim, which is higher than his usual).

[msiris]

I don't think anyone's gonna disagree that Kuz needs to shoot better than 22% from distance. Not really worrying too much though, as he's already taking the lowest 3PT attempt rate of his career (.346) through these first 4-games, and he's been a 33-36% on high volume guy each of the last 4-seasons.

He does seem to understand what his role dictates right now with Giannis out, and I do think we sometimes get too focused on TS% and overall scoring efficiency when it comes to how effective you can be as an offensive player. Him creating and getting to the line 5-6 times a game is not something that I saw in his toolbox, and that's something that can make up for not hitting shots.

He has made some made some pretty nice passes. I just hope that the stars realize that and they don't have to do everything.

[aboveAverage]

What a steal Horst got trading Marjon for KPJ. Marjon had basically no value, and KPJ is a legit contributor. If he can fix his off-the-court issues and focus on his role, he's got 6th man of the year potential.

[Ron Swanson]

One thing that Frank pointed out on a recent LOB pod that I thought was insightful, but Kuzma is probably a dude whose shooting efficiency isn't gonna really benefit that much from playing next to guys like Dame and Giannis. He's never been some great catch and shoot guy, nor does he really check the boxes of a traditional rim-runner or high flyer in transition despite his size and athleticism.

There are times where we're gonna have to live with the shot selection, but he's certainly proven to be capable of going on a heater and getting you 20-25 at any given moment. Interesting that for his career he's exactly league average from the corners though (38.8%). If he's really motivated and bought in, he'll find the right spots to be an effective, off-ball 3rd-4th option.

[drone3]

Rollins spotting KPJ a 14 point lead was key. Rollins got Edwards out of rythm mid 1st quarter after Ajax left and changed the game.

This is why I’m in the sign Rollins train. Even though his shoulder is clearly affecting his shot and his finishing ability, he’s still been more than solid on D, has sneaky length and strength, and even gets rebounds.

I also thought KPJ did a great job on the boards tonight. He attacks those rebounds like Kuz does.

This. Looked like Bledsoe and young Giannis out there.

KPJ has a real nose for the ball, the way he tracks rebounds is much needed. Also really like his passing especially setting up Dairy for open looks

[AussieBuck]

I guess it's useful for Minny to be really really really sure that Ant isn't ever going to be a lead ball handler guy. Still seems like they are blowing one of Gobert's last impactful seasons not having a pg

[Dick Tate]

It's going to be interesting having two **** FT shooters in the playoffs. The opposition might not be able to resist getting themselves in foul trouble.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

.222 3%
.680 FT%
.516 TS%

Kuzma so far. I like his athleticism and rebounding, but we are going to need better efficiecny by a good amount across the board for him to be a playoff net+ player. I feel like most of his shots so far have been very odd/off-balance, and he's shooting like Giannis from the line. Hoping it improves as he gets more acclimated.

.529 on 2's

just needs to back off the 3's unless theyre wide ass open late in the clock. focus on getting in the paint and to the line. easily correctable and i expect that to happen

so if he knocks that off he goes for giannis-lite he'll have some decent efficiency. his career ft% is good.

every other box hes checking imo.

[JonHeist]

It's going to be interesting having two **** FT shooters in the playoffs. The opposition might not be able to resist getting themselves in foul trouble.

could definitely be an issue

but even a 60% ft shooter at the line for 2 is still a fantastic offensive possession (on average)

[Daver]

This is why I’m in the sign Rollins train. Even though his shoulder is clearly affecting his shot and his finishing ability, he’s still been more than solid on D, has sneaky length and strength, and even gets rebounds.

I also thought KPJ did a great job on the boards tonight. He attacks those rebounds like Kuz does.

This. Looked like Bledsoe and young Giannis out there.

KPJ has a real nose for the ball, the way he tracks rebounds is much needed. Also really like his passing especially setting up Dairy for open looks

Hes such a great ball handler what imoressed me was how easy he broke thru traffic.Hes so quick when he goes around people and his passes are sharp n on point.Think hes the best handlerwe have had in a long time

[drone3]

One thing that Frank pointed out on a recent LOB pod that I thought was insightful, but Kuzma is probably a dude whose shooting efficiency isn't gonna really benefit that much from playing next to guys like Dame and Giannis. He's never been some great catch and shoot guy, nor does he really check the boxes of a traditional rim-runner or high flyer in transition despite his size and athleticism.

There are times where we're gonna have to live with the shot selection, but he's certainly proven to be capable of going on a heater and getting you 20-25 at any given moment. Interesting that for his career he's exactly league average from the corners though (38.8%). If he's really motivated and bought in, he'll find the right spots to be an effective, off-ball 3rd-4th option.

Kuz helps in so many ways, if we unlock his shooting its a game changer

[Matches Malone]

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