Stan wrote:UglyBugBall wrote:This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again. He's been lucky that the guy that's been competing against him in Embiid was one of the biggest superstar busts in history. Jokic looks good next to him.
This is genuinely one of the worst takes I've read in a while. You type all this out like Murray wasn't out injured in 2021 & 2022, nobody was carrying that Nuggets squad deep in the playoffs. Since he's reached his peak he's had Murray & MPJ for 2 playoff runs, won a title in one, lost in Game 7 in the 2nd round in the other, a series Murray averaged 18 ppg on 48%TS, so not a bad run of results.
It's also ironic you criticize Jokic for "just" being the 6th seed in a year Murray & MPJ both missed the season, while Luka straight up missed the playoffs in 2023 lol.
Yeah except Luka didn't get an MVP for missing the playoffs. Performing poorly shouldnt be rewarded.
