The 'Jokic has no help' narrative sure came and went

[Special_Puppy]

The biggest problem with the Nuggets is not their 2-5, but their abysmal depth. They legit only have 6 playable guys in the playoffs

[hauntedcomputer]

Never thought I'd live long enough to see Nnaji not only get minutes but do something with them.

[maxpower8888]

10 whole games?? Wow I guess that settles it then.

[dhsilv2]

This supporting cast is terrible for an ATG and Nuggets management performance is about as bad as I've seen since the horror that was KG-Minn

As an aside, in the modern NBA the numbers you listed aren't that impressive for a 10 game stretch. Lots of players now put up numbers like the above for 10games.

I don't think you know what terrible means.

I said terrible "for an ATG." Look at the type of players who are Jokic's peers and see who they played with in their prime and then compare it to what Jokic has now.

KG-Minnesota is the only one that is clearly worse IMO.

I'll just add if you really believe Jokic's supporting cast is strong, then you have to concede the Jokic critics have a point. If you pair "the best player of his generation" with a very strong supporting cast you should end up acheiving more than Denver has.

Both things can't be true: Denver's supporting cast is elite and Jokic is a GOAT level player.

I'm not 100% sure KG's situation was actually clearly worse.

[EmpireFalls]

The biggest problem with the Nuggets is not their 2-5, but their abysmal depth. They legit only have 6 playable guys in the playoffs

Jokic, Murray, MPJ, Gordon, Braun, Watson, Russ is 7?

Who’s the odd man out?

I could see Nnaji and especially Strawther getting some mins too. I know I know Nnaji is a joke but I swear he’s been playing well.

[Sweet Serenity]

The real MVP's in the past either carried their teams to a near top seed or didn't get awarded MVP. Jokic has been getting awards for absolute empty stat team mediocrity in the regular season.

Jokic career winning %: .607
Doncic career winning %: .568

Jokic career net rating: +7.4
Doncic career net rating: +3.1

Jokic career On/Off: +12.5 (highest of all time)
Doncic career On/Off: +3.1

If Jokic is mediocre in the regular season, what does that make Luka?

Thats always what Jokic stans run to. Stats. I prefer looking at results. MVP for a 6 seed. Flaming out of the playoffs whenever Murray was injured or underperforming. He's had one successful season so far. One. Yet dudes act like he's MJ on here.

Jokic has a 55% winning percentage in the playoffs.
Luka has a 50% winning percentage in the playoffs.

[dhsilv2]

The biggest problem with the Nuggets is not their 2-5, but their abysmal depth. They legit only have 6 playable guys in the playoffs

Jokic, Murray, MPJ, Gordon, Braun, Watson, Russ is 7?

Who’s the odd man out?

I could see Nnaji and especially Strawther getting some mins too. I know I know Nnaji is a joke but I swear he’s been playing well.

Jokic, Murray, Porter, Braun, and...I'm shocked but Westbrook are all playing pretty well. You can kinda day Jordan as a backup to Jokic is almost passable. Watson and Strawther are getting great minutes...but neither are guys any coach is excited to play in the playoffs.

[Special_Puppy]

The biggest problem with the Nuggets is not their 2-5, but their abysmal depth. They legit only have 6 playable guys in the playoffs

Jokic, Murray, MPJ, Gordon, Braun, Watson, Russ is 7?

Who’s the odd man out?

I could see Nnaji and especially Strawther getting some mins too. I know I know Nnaji is a joke but I swear he’s been playing well.

Watson’s offense makes him probably not playable in the playoffs

[_NoMas]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again. He's been lucky that the guy that's been competing against him in Embiid was one of the biggest superstar busts in history. Jokic looks good next to him.

Hahahahha. Hilarious stuff

[Special_Puppy]

I don't think you know what terrible means.

I said terrible "for an ATG." Look at the type of players who are Jokic's peers and see who they played with in their prime and then compare it to what Jokic has now.

KG-Minnesota is the only one that is clearly worse IMO.

I'll just add if you really believe Jokic's supporting cast is strong, then you have to concede the Jokic critics have a point. If you pair "the best player of his generation" with a very strong supporting cast you should end up acheiving more than Denver has.

Both things can't be true: Denver's supporting cast is elite and Jokic is a GOAT level player.

I'm not 100% sure KG's situation was actually clearly worse.

KG basically only had a respectable supporting cast for one season and his supporting casts in 2006+2007 were legit majority non-NBA quality players. Hakeem is also someone who I think might have had worse supporting casts than Jokic has had in his career

[dhsilv2]

I said terrible "for an ATG." Look at the type of players who are Jokic's peers and see who they played with in their prime and then compare it to what Jokic has now.

KG-Minnesota is the only one that is clearly worse IMO.

I'll just add if you really believe Jokic's supporting cast is strong, then you have to concede the Jokic critics have a point. If you pair "the best player of his generation" with a very strong supporting cast you should end up acheiving more than Denver has.

Both things can't be true: Denver's supporting cast is elite and Jokic is a GOAT level player.

I'm not 100% sure KG's situation was actually clearly worse.

KG basically only had a respectable supporting cast for one season and his supporting casts in 2006+2007 were legit majority non-NBA quality players. Hakeem is also someone who I think might have had worse supporting casts than Jokic has had in his career

I mean Hakeem made the finals in like his second year. I know he had a drought but he had some talent. But sure, I'm not saying KG's was better. I'm just saying it wasn't CLEAR.

[Special_Puppy]

. He doesn't have a killer mentality,

Stopped reading here

[p0peye]

One does not earn their annual salary by playing well through 10 games. Darko Miličić had a good stretch of 5 games where he averaged 20 points as well, not trying to compare him to Nuggets players. Despite winning games they should win, Nuggets still have no stars outside of Jokić. Yes, Murray has proven in past that he can play like a superstar in postseason, but that didn't materialize in 2024 playoffs.

[Calvin Klein]

Hating on Jokic is the ultimate hater level.

[Sweet Serenity]

The real MVP's in the past either carried their teams to a near top seed or didn't get awarded MVP. Jokic has been getting awards for absolute empty stat team mediocrity in the regular season.

Jokic career winning %: .607
Doncic career winning %: .568

Jokic career net rating: +7.4
Doncic career net rating: +3.1

Jokic career On/Off: +12.5 (highest of all time)
Doncic career On/Off: +3.1

If Jokic is mediocre in the regular season, what does that make Luka?

Thats always what Jokic stans run to. Stats. I prefer looking at results. MVP for a 6 seed. Flaming out of the playoffs whenever Murray was injured or underperforming. He's had one successful season so far. One. Yet dudes act like he's MJ on here.

Oh the irony of calling other people stans while at the same time going from a Mavericks supporter to a Lakers supporter as soon as Luka got traded lol

[Chuck Everett]

The Nuggets bench had 3 points last night

Not entirely accurate though. Several rotation players didn't play for them: Michael Porter, Aaron Gordon, Peyton Watson and Russell Westbrook. Two starters (for sure) and two rotation players

The much maligned Zeke Nnaji had 16 points and 4 blocks playing next to Jokic and Murray, which gives some credence to the belief [that a few posters have mentioned in the past] he should playing platooned more with Jokic by the coaching staff and not just backing him up and playing out of position at the 5.

[Sweet Serenity]

Some of these too good not to post on here. The best part about this site is watching people just expose themselves.

"With Nikola Jokić off the floor, the Denver Nuggets' offensive rating is 86.3 - the worst in NBA history.
With Jokić on the floor, their offensive rating is 125.8 - the best in NBA history."

BS stat this early in the season. This guy gets way too much credit from all the casual Stans. He's a great player but he's been elevated due to injury luck - the guys better than him like Luka, Giannis and Embiid deal with injuries to themselves and their teams while jokic gets to keep running up the stats thanks to iron man genetics.

[AleksandarN]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again. He's been lucky that the guy that's been competing against him in Embiid was one of the biggest superstar busts in history. Jokic looks good next to him.

[Walton the GOAT]

Murray was ass for the last season and a half after coming back from his ACL tear. Which is about right and him regaining some of his former explosiveness now is what you'd expect. They're getting healthy at the right time + CB is coming into his own. Dangerous team.

[nzahir]

Im confused

Arent Denver fans the ones saying the GM sucks and Jokic has no help?

Which is it?

Murray, MPJ, and Gordon seems like a very good 2-4 (on top of the best player in the world) and then a couple other role guys like Braun and Russ)