Dane Moore reporting indications are that Taylor lost arbitration

[cmoss84]

Depends on the moves. Ask the Suns how well the Beal trade went? The flip side is asking the Celtics how well the Jrue Holiday trade went. I have no problem making moves, I have problems making bad ones. KD would be a terrible move.

You don't even know what we'd be giving up, how can you say it's terrible?

37 years old, 54 million dollars, and expiring. If we want to keep him that number goes higher. Whatever we give up is too much, and we know it won’t be cheap.

You wouldn't give up Rudy and DD? Not sure if I would or not...just curious.

[winforlose]

You speak in such definites about something you can't possibly know.

You have no idea what a deal looks like. You have no idea what a contract extension for him looks like. You have no idea how it might (or might not) help the team.

You have to match salaries. The least offensive version of doing so is Rudy + Randle. Anything else and you lose Jaden or Naz. I hate small ball, and the league keeps moving away from it. OKC went out and got bigger, LAL was trying to get bigger, Dallas got a ton of bigs, Cleveland is doing very well playing big ball, ect… KD being 37 and expiring is a fact. The rule of over 38 is a fact. I just watched Mike Conley fall off the age wall, and I have paid attention to KD over the years. He doesn’t exactly build happy and healthy locker room culture. He has a bad habit of leaving teams worse off than when they found him.

You ask me how can I be 100% certain it will fail, I cannot. But just like the Ben Simmons trade suggestions this feels like a disaster waiting to happen. To hear how significantly TC is interested in KD feels like a very big threat to our franchise.

Durant seems more like someone who doesn't set a culture at all. Take that as good or bad, but it doesn't seem fair to blame him for Kyrie going full spiritual (or whatever he was doing in Brooklyn) and for Draymond being...well, Draymond. With a dominant and positive (at least on the court) personality in Ant, I don't see that being a problem.

And you keep bringing up Simmons as a false equivalency so let me offer a counter; I argued with most people on this board, particularly Shrink, that we should trade for Aaron Gordon before he was moved to Denver. But Gordon cost too much, wasn't good enough, wasn't a winner, etc, etc, or so I was told. But that turned out pretty well for Denver, didn't it?

1. KD leaves. He left OKC, left GSW, left BRK, and now is leaving the Suns. In all four cases not only could he not lead the lockerroom, but he left them worse than he found them. You want that guy around our young guys (especially Ant, who hero worships KD,) that is on you.

2. Gordon wasn’t 37 and didn’t cost significant player assets. They paid 2 firsts for him. Find my a version of the KD trade that doesn’t cost any players under 30 and doesn’t hurt us as far as roster construction, and we can talk. BTW, if you spend the DET and Utah picks on KD that absolutely denies us access to a great draft class and makes filling holes at PG and C harder to fill.

3. Simmons was a high risk trade that was popular for some and hated by others. With a questionable fit (we have Naz and Jaden to play those positions,) questionable health (37 and known for missing time,) hard contract to handle, (if KD demands the max to stay that is 35% of the cap next year, also known as over 60 million,) and with very real consequences to our future if it goes bad, (Ant and KD are super close,) this is a terrible idea.

Edit to add: don’t forget the hard cap rules. If we aggregate we are hard capped at the second apron. If we use the MLE beyond the tax payer we are hard capped at the first apron. When consolidating multiple salaries into KD remember we still need to build a winner because KD is only useful if we chase the chip ASAP, before his carriage turns into a pumpkin.

[winforlose]

You don't even know what we'd be giving up, how can you say it's terrible?

37 years old, 54 million dollars, and expiring. If we want to keep him that number goes higher. Whatever we give up is too much, and we know it won’t be cheap.

You wouldn't give up Rudy and DD? Not sure if I would or not...just curious.

So we can have 3 PFs who all want to start (Naz, Randle, KD,) or we can play everyone out of position and watch the turnovers pile up?

[Klomp]

He's a gutter bum compared to the other Owners and if he was so flush with working capital, why does he need partners?

Roughly half of the NBA ownerships have partners. That's not the sick burn you think it is.

[winforlose]

He's a gutter bum compared to the other Owners and if he was so flush with working capital, why does he need partners?

Roughly half of the NBA ownerships have partners. That's not the sick burn you think it is.

Correct. The issues are

1. Is Lore too tied up in Wonder?

2. Are the minority partners interested in funding a team operating at loss?

3. If the new arena is 10 years away will we be good enough to keep Ant to justify the investment?

[Slim Tubby]

He's a gutter bum compared to the other Owners and if he was so flush with working capital, why does he need partners?

Roughly half of the NBA ownerships have partners. That's not the sick burn you think it is.

Do we even know if Lore (or ARod) is the Majority owner?

And who comes to an anonymous message board seeking to unleash a "sick burn"? How old are you???

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[shangrila]

1. KD leaves. He left OKC, left GSW, left BRK, and now is leaving the Suns. In all four cases not only could he not lead the lockerroom, but he left them worse than he found them. You want that guy around our young guys (especially Ant, who hero worships KD,) that is on you.

He leaves the locker room worse or the team?

2. Gordon wasn’t 37 and didn’t cost significant player assets. They paid 2 firsts for him. Find my a version of the KD trade that doesn’t cost any players under 30 and doesn’t hurt us as far as roster construction, and we can talk. BTW, if you spend the DET and Utah picks on KD that absolutely denies us access to a great draft class and makes filling holes at PG and C harder to fill.

So you've narrowed the options to Randle, Gobert, Ingles and Conley. Awesome. Just trade Randle and Gobert then.

3. Simmons was a high risk trade that was popular for some and hated by others. With a questionable fit (we have Naz and Jaden to play those positions,) questionable health (37 and known for missing time,) hard contract to handle, (if KD demands the max to stay that is 35% of the cap next year, also known as over 60 million,) and with very real consequences to our future if it goes bad, (Ant and KD are super close,) this is a terrible idea.

The Simmons comparison continues to be dumb. I'd stop digging that hole deeper, personally.

The fit is fine, his health is also fine assuming we don't play him 37mpg. Contract is easy, just extend him. Or maybe he signs for less? Who knows. And I've heard that "No! You can't trade them, they're Ant's friend!" BS before. Heard it with Vando/Beasley. Heard it with KAT. Ant will be fine.

It's a terrible idea because you're hyper focused on the negative aspects and are unwilling to contemplate the positives.

Edit to add: don’t forget the hard cap rules. If we aggregate we are hard capped at the second apron. If we use the MLE beyond the tax payer we are hard capped at the first apron. When consolidating multiple salaries into KD remember we still need to build a winner because KD is only useful if we chase the chip ASAP, before his carriage turns into a pumpkin.

Not really. We could just enjoy competitive basketball. Not everything has to be championship or bust.

[winforlose]

1. KD leaves. He left OKC, left GSW, left BRK, and now is leaving the Suns. In all four cases not only could he not lead the lockerroom, but he left them worse than he found them. You want that guy around our young guys (especially Ant, who hero worships KD,) that is on you.

He leaves the locker room worse or the team?

2. Gordon wasn’t 37 and didn’t cost significant player assets. They paid 2 firsts for him. Find my a version of the KD trade that doesn’t cost any players under 30 and doesn’t hurt us as far as roster construction, and we can talk. BTW, if you spend the DET and Utah picks on KD that absolutely denies us access to a great draft class and makes filling holes at PG and C harder to fill.

So you've narrowed the options to Randle, Gobert, Ingles and Conley. Awesome. Just trade Randle and Gobert then.

3. Simmons was a high risk trade that was popular for some and hated by others. With a questionable fit (we have Naz and Jaden to play those positions,) questionable health (37 and known for missing time,) hard contract to handle, (if KD demands the max to stay that is 35% of the cap next year, also known as over 60 million,) and with very real consequences to our future if it goes bad, (Ant and KD are super close,) this is a terrible idea.

The Simmons comparison continues to be dumb. I'd stop digging that hole deeper, personally.

The fit is fine, his health is also fine assuming we don't play him 37mpg. Contract is easy, just extend him. Or maybe he signs for less? Who knows. And I've heard that "No! You can't trade them, they're Ant's friend!" BS before. Heard it with Vando/Beasley. Heard it with KAT. Ant will be fine.

It's a terrible idea because you're hyper focused on the negative aspects and are unwilling to contemplate the positives.

Edit to add: don’t forget the hard cap rules. If we aggregate we are hard capped at the second apron. If we use the MLE beyond the tax payer we are hard capped at the first apron. When consolidating multiple salaries into KD remember we still need to build a winner because KD is only useful if we chase the chip ASAP, before his carriage turns into a pumpkin.

Not really. We could just enjoy competitive basketball. Not everything has to be championship or bust.

1. Both. After KD left OKC lost a step and eventually broke it up. After left GSW the team took a step back and the locker room was… not great. The pattern repeats. KD teaching Ant that being loyal to a team is stupid is not something I want Ant to learn. The habit of hunting chips by going to teams ready to win is also something I don’t want Ant picking up. Lose/lose to answer your question.

2. Design the trade and we can talk about it.

3. You cannot extend someone beyond their 38th birthday because of the over 38 rule. He is into 1 year deals. Are you sure KD is willing to sacrifice and take a cheaper deal, because that seems out of character for him. Also he has a habit of missing 20-30 games a season, and that is tough depending on what you give up to get him.

I get that you love the idea that KD is gonna be KD for us for 2-3 years. Ask Mike Conley how easy it is to maintain excellence as you age? If you are not chasing a chip with Ant then you are wasting his cheap(ish,) years.

[Klomp]

3. You cannot extend someone beyond their 38th birthday because of the over 38 rule. He is into 1 year deals.

I don't think you are interpreting the rule correctly...

[winforlose]

3. You cannot extend someone beyond their 38th birthday because of the over 38 rule. He is into 1 year deals.

I don't think you are interpreting the rule correctly...

I went back and checked again after your post. I was wrong about it. Assuming that we could sign him to a 2 year deal for years 26/27 and 27/28 then the question is what do we pay him? Shang talked about not needing to contend, does KD want to be here if our goal is to be competitive but not to contend? Is KD worth 54 million next year and all the congestion that causes in team building if we are not serious about contending? Is KD the missing piece if we are trying to contend? You guys keep ignoring me when I ask you what you would give up for him. Do you believe the Suns say deal if we offer Rudy and Randle? Do you think no one will beat that offer? Do you think we get KD without giving up draft capital? Do you think Naz is okay not starting another 3 years?

[BlacJacMac]

Adam Silver confirms the Timberwolves sale remains "on hold"

The sale will remain on hold until Glen Taylor decides if he wants to appeal the arbitration ruling

Adam Silver says that Glen Taylor has been in contact with both Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore

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[Mattya]

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Turns out the tax bill is the reason Taylor finally gave up on his ownership after all the dirt he was throwing at Lore and ARod about the tax. True irony.

[Baseline81]

Turns out the tax bill is the reason Taylor finally gave up on his ownership after all the dirt he was throwing at Lore and ARod about the tax. True irony.

Definition of a cheapskate.

[Klomp]

Turns out the tax bill is the reason Taylor finally gave up on his ownership after all the dirt he was throwing at Lore and ARod about the tax. True irony.

Similarly, Krawczynski has said that the appeal process has allowed Lore and Rodriguez to strengthen their financial backing, to where BOG approval is essentially a foregone conclusion now when it might have been a close vote had Taylor not appealed the ruling. The better financial position is helping them buy out Taylor completely, while the original agreement had him holding on to 20% of the team.

[Domejandro]

Turns out the tax bill is the reason Taylor finally gave up on his ownership after all the dirt he was throwing at Lore and ARod about the tax. True irony.

To be fair, from Glen Taylor's perspective, there is no incentive to eating the massive Luxury-Tax bill when he has functionally completely lost the arbitration case. I still maintain a lot of my existing long-term concerns, but my expectation (at the very least) is that the new ownership group will allow the front office to be limited only by the Second Apron next season (which I think is totally fair!).

One positive is that Marc Lore has been killing it, but with a potential financial crash looming, I'm a little nervous... and those nerves extend beyond my favourite basketball team's ownership ponying up cash.

[Mattya]

Turns out the tax bill is the reason Taylor finally gave up on his ownership after all the dirt he was throwing at Lore and ARod about the tax. True irony.

To be fair, from Glen Taylor's perspective, there is no incentive to eating the massive Luxury-Tax bill when he has functionally completely lost the arbitration case. I still maintain a lot of my existing long-term concerns, but my expectation (at the very least) is that the new ownership group will allow the front office to be limited only by the Second Apron next season (which I think is totally fair!).

One positive is that Marc Lore has been killing it, but with a potential financial crash looming, I'm a little nervous... and those nerves extend beyond my favourite basketball team's ownership ponying up cash.

There is if he wanted to appeal.

[shrink]

Turns out the tax bill is the reason Taylor finally gave up on his ownership after all the dirt he was throwing at Lore and ARod about the tax. True irony.

Definition of a cheapskate.

So the cheapskate agreed to all the salary increases to create huge luxury taxes, filed a lawsuit to retain the team with huge luxury taxes, but since he didn’t appeal arbitration, suddenly he’s “definition of a cheapskate?”

Your post says more about your failings than Taylor’s.

[Domejandro]

Turns out the tax bill is the reason Taylor finally gave up on his ownership after all the dirt he was throwing at Lore and ARod about the tax. True irony.

To be fair, from Glen Taylor's perspective, there is no incentive to eating the massive Luxury-Tax bill when he has functionally completely lost the arbitration case. I still maintain a lot of my existing long-term concerns, but my expectation (at the very least) is that the new ownership group will allow the front office to be limited only by the Second Apron next season (which I think is totally fair!).

One positive is that Marc Lore has been killing it, but with a potential financial crash looming, I'm a little nervous... and those nerves extend beyond my favourite basketball team's ownership ponying up cash.

There is if he wanted to appeal.

Keeping it real, the chances of Glen Taylor winning on appeal would be extraordinarily small, to the point where it eating ~$36.4MM in Luxury-Taxes (along with remaining salary for the rest of the season) is not worth the gamble.

[Mattya]

Turns out the tax bill is the reason Taylor finally gave up on his ownership after all the dirt he was throwing at Lore and ARod about the tax. True irony.

Definition of a cheapskate.

So the cheapskate agreed to all the salary increases to create huge luxury taxes, filed a lawsuit to retain the team with huge luxury taxes, but since he didn’t appeal arbitration, suddenly he’s “definition of a cheapskate?”

Your post says more about your failings than Taylor’s.

He didn’t appeal the arbitration because it would cost him money, after holding up a deal because the team increased in value after he agreed to sell.

So yes glad we agree he is a cheapskate.

[shrink]

Definition of a cheapskate.

So the cheapskate agreed to all the salary increases to create huge luxury taxes, filed a lawsuit to retain the team with huge luxury taxes, but since he didn’t appeal arbitration, suddenly he’s “definition of a cheapskate?”

Your post says more about your failings than Taylor’s.

He didn’t appeal the arbitration because it would cost him money, after holding up a deal because the team increased in value after he agreed to sell.

So yes glad we agree he is a cheapskate.

He didn’t add the second highest luxury taxes in the nba because he was a cheapskate? Right?

He didn’t try to break the deal, and pay MORE of those luxury taxes, because he was a cheapskate? Right?

Any response to that? He tries to pay the extra $100 million, and you morons conclude .. “cheapskate?”

If you want to insult him, at least make insults that aren’t embarrassingly the exact opposite of what he just did in real life.