2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion

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Re: 2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion 

Post#41 » by shangrila » Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:40 pm

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shangrila wrote:Yeah, I could see it. I just really, really don't want to give up McDaniels.

Could they S&T NAW for a salary big enough to bridge the gap between Randle+Conley and Durant?

I honestly can't see Phoenix being interested without McDaniels, Randle isn't really a long-term player for anyone. In terms of cap maneuvering, though, I am not sure?

Agreed - I don't see why PHX would consider this without McDaniels involved. It'd be a short term downgrade with no long term upside.

Fair. I'm not saying it's realistic, I just don't want to give up McDaniels. He's come on strong after a slow start and he's someone who rises to the occasion, which can be hard to find.

And I wouldn't even be that interested in Durant if it weren't for the Olympics. But the way he and Ant were vibing then is something I'd like to see continue for both of them.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion 

Post#42 » by babyjax13 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:30 pm

shangrila wrote:
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babyjax13 wrote:I honestly can't see Phoenix being interested without McDaniels, Randle isn't really a long-term player for anyone. In terms of cap maneuvering, though, I am not sure?

Agreed - I don't see why PHX would consider this without McDaniels involved. It'd be a short term downgrade with no long term upside.

Fair. I'm not saying it's realistic, I just don't want to give up McDaniels. He's come on strong after a slow start and he's someone who rises to the occasion, which can be hard to find.

And I wouldn't even be that interested in Durant if it weren't for the Olympics. But the way he and Ant were vibing then is something I'd like to see continue for both of them.

I'll be honest, I see the appeal in McDaniels but I haven't seen a player since Batum who gets so much hype on this forum for rather pedestrian stats that have some nice hot streaks embedded in them. He is an elite defender and a tertiary offensive player - and maybe he grows into a larger role - but that's all speculative. Like if you told me (if the Jazz weren't tanking) that we could have Durant for Kessler, Collins, and Sexton - which feels not horribly far off McDaniels/Randle to me - I would instantly do that.

RE: trading him for Durant though, yah, Durant is super old, so that might be a bad proposition. It could allow Minnesota to generate some cap space to surround Edwards and Gobert, though, when all but them, DDV, and the rookies have expired. Spottrac estimates a $196 million dollar salary cap in 26-27, so if Naz resigns for something like 20 million per year Minnesota would have $66 million - minimum roster charges in cap space when Durant expires. I think that pivot is worth it? Of course, with Jaden and no Naz that number is still $60 million in cap space and w/Naz on $20 million/year that would be 40 million.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion 

Post#43 » by shangrila » Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:52 pm

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gswhoops wrote:Agreed - I don't see why PHX would consider this without McDaniels involved. It'd be a short term downgrade with no long term upside.

Fair. I'm not saying it's realistic, I just don't want to give up McDaniels. He's come on strong after a slow start and he's someone who rises to the occasion, which can be hard to find.

And I wouldn't even be that interested in Durant if it weren't for the Olympics. But the way he and Ant were vibing then is something I'd like to see continue for both of them.

I'll be honest, I see the appeal in McDaniels but I haven't seen a player since Batum who gets so much hype on this forum for rather pedestrian stats that have some nice hot streaks embedded in them. He is an elite defender and a tertiary offensive player - and maybe he grows into a larger role - but that's all speculative. Like if you told me (if the Jazz weren't tanking) that we could have Durant for Kessler, Collins, and Sexton - which feels not horribly far off McDaniels/Randle to me - I would instantly do that.

RE: trading him for Durant though, yah, Durant is super old, so that might be a bad proposition. It could allow Minnesota to generate some cap space to surround Edwards and Gobert, though, when all but them, DDV, and the rookies have expired. Spottrac estimates a $196 million dollar salary cap in 26-27, so if Naz resigns for something like 20 million per year Minnesota would have $66 million - minimum roster charges in cap space when Durant expires. I think that pivot is worth it? Of course, with Jaden and no Naz that number is still $60 million in cap space and w/Naz on $20 million/year that would be 40 million.

It's hard to feel his impact without consistently watching him, which is likely why Wolves fans are higher on him than general consensus.

For the record, I'm not arguing value. I just like McDaniels as a player, like watching him play and don't want him to leave. Similar to Naz Reid. There's going to be tons of players that people around here would argue are more valuable than either of those guys that I would turn down in trades.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion 

Post#44 » by Jody Smokz » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:51 am

People forget this. Utah has the worst guards overall in the league. Hard to evaluate how good Lauri and Kessler can be without a solid playmaker.


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“Injuries”. It’ll be amazing how healthy he becomes when the Jazz aren’t tanking. Other teams are smart they understand the context.


I don't know if you want to risk that this offseason with a seven foot tall guy with questionable mobility and an enormous contract actually.

The idea that Lauri is intentionally playing bad and missing a ton of games to help his team intentionally throw games also doesn't really give a good image of him as a playoff contributor either, lol.


Utah is not trading Lauri and he hasn’t played with a true PG all season…
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Re: 2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion 

Post#45 » by NYG » Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:20 pm

What is each player worth?

Rank their trade value

I have it as

Giannis
KD
Embiid
Lauri
Zion
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Re: 2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion 

Post#46 » by giberish » Fri Feb 14, 2025 1:11 am

NYG wrote:What is each player worth?

Rank their trade value

I have it as

Giannis
KD
Embiid
Lauri
Zion


Giannis
(massive gap)
KD
(massive gap)
Lauri
Zion
Embiid
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Re: 2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion 

Post#47 » by ReggiesKnicks » Fri Feb 14, 2025 1:21 am

Giannis - Basically full draft control + 2-3 good players. Look at what KD was traded for from Phoenix (Bridges, Johnson, 4 1sts). A full kitchen sink payment here.

KD - 1-2 future unprotected picks and salary which isn't negative. Definitely more than what Butler was traded for, similar to what Lillard was traded for. Teams aren't going to empty the kitchen sink here, nor should they. He is the final piece for a team trying to become a contender.

Lauri - Similar to KD in value but I think it's a different type of team. Someone like Detroit or Minnesota or Miami who would want to pair Lauri long-term to their already established star(s) like Cade, Bam/Herro or ANT. I don't think you empty the kitchen sink for Lauri because he isn't that level of foundation piece.

Caveat - I think both Lauri and KD are worth similar to what the Pacers gave up for Siakam.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion 

Post#48 » by NYG » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:22 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Giannis - Basically full draft control + 2-3 good players. Look at what KD was traded for from Phoenix (Bridges, Johnson, 4 1sts). A full kitchen sink payment here.

KD[//b] - 1-2 future unprotected picks and salary which isn't negative. Definitely more than what Butler was traded for, similar to what Lillard was traded for. Teams aren't going to empty the kitchen sink here, nor should they. He is the final piece for a team trying to become a contender.

[B]Lauri
- Similar to KD in value but I think it's a different type of team. Someone like Detroit or Minnesota or Miami who would want to pair Lauri long-term to their already established star(s) like Cade, Bam/Herro or ANT. I don't think you empty the kitchen sink for Lauri because he isn't that level of foundation piece.

Caveat - I think both Lauri and KD are worth similar to what the Pacers gave up for Siakam.


What about Zion and Embiid?
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Re: 2025 Off-Season: The 5 Names That Stand Out - Lauri / Embiid / KD / Giannis / Zion 

Post#49 » by ReggiesKnicks » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:28 am

NYG wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:Giannis - Basically full draft control + 2-3 good players. Look at what KD was traded for from Phoenix (Bridges, Johnson, 4 1sts). A full kitchen sink payment here.

KD[//b] - 1-2 future unprotected picks and salary which isn't negative. Definitely more than what Butler was traded for, similar to what Lillard was traded for. Teams aren't going to empty the kitchen sink here, nor should they. He is the final piece for a team trying to become a contender.

[B]Lauri
- Similar to KD in value but I think it's a different type of team. Someone like Detroit or Minnesota or Miami who would want to pair Lauri long-term to their already established star(s) like Cade, Bam/Herro or ANT. I don't think you empty the kitchen sink for Lauri because he isn't that level of foundation piece.

Caveat - I think both Lauri and KD are worth similar to what the Pacers gave up for Siakam.


What about Zion and Embiid?


I don't think either player is worth any premium asset(s) and I don't think it makes sense to trade a talent like Zion or Embiid for essentially nothing.

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